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user224, in Linux holds more than 8% market share in India, and it's on the upward trend
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August 2022

Old data, man.
https://i.imgur.com/jtKYVLN.jpg
It’s even better now.

morrowind,
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Those wild spikes don’t give me a lot of confidence in the data

velox_vulnus,

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  • ShitOnABrick,
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    This makes alot of sense I’ll imagine the folk using Linux aren’t using it out of choice but out of necessity due to linux being kinder to older hardware

    morrowind,
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    That explains the popularity of “unknown OS” but not why it swings so wildly

    XTornado,

    Uhm what’s re they using for this report… I would have assumed they would have gone with just taking the User Agent and similar which I guess that wouldn’t matter on the modifications you say.

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  • XTornado,

    Yeah sure but you usually fake a real existing one so it would go into one of the categories not the Unknown.

    kalleboo, (edited )

    The biggest spikes look like the correspond to new year. So my guess is that the spikes are vacations and show the difference between home PC and office PC usage.

    You can see the same spikes on e.g. Googles IPv6 chart - when people are away from work IPv6 penetration goes up, when people are at work it goes down.

    Sir_Simon_Spamalot,

    Damn, that’s a lot, and within a year too!

    Also, at least half of that ‘unknown’ is probably Linux too.

    MonkderZweite, in If only more Linux programs followed sandboxing best practices...

    Does it have to be sandboxed?

    IverCoder, (edited )

    An app should not be able to access stuff the user did not consent to letting access.

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  • lukas,
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    Software supply chain attacks exist, you know?

    IverCoder, (edited )

    Well, no matter how I trust my photo editing app, it has no business accessing my thesis documents. Proper filesystem sandboxing does security properly.

    SuperIce,

    Even if I trust the app, it may have security bugs. Still better to have it sandboxed.

    mdurell,

    I would argue this is only for apps you CAN trust. Bad actors gonna act badly.

    stella,

    Isn’t that what file system permissions are for?

    IverCoder, (edited )

    The file picker API is there to allow apps to access and save files with the user’s consent, while bot having any filesystem access. So a properly sandboxed app would be able to open, edit, and save files wherever the user wants, while not having access to any other irrelevant files, such as your .bashrc or memes folder.

    authed, (edited ) in Vanilla OS 2 Orchid will be released "very soon"

    Why is this post about discord… Or is that an ad

    candle_lighter,
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    The announcement was made in the Discord

    vox, in Who uses pure GNOME (no extensions)
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    i onky use minor stuff, like a tray and rounded corners on legacy applications.

    pbjamm, in Linux Distribution Timeline
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    Yggdrasil, Mandrake, Slackware (on floppy!) that takes me back…

    backhdlp, (edited ) in Your chosen desktop Linux defaults?
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    • btrfs unless I know I’m not gonna use it that much (might check out bcachefs soon)
    • Kitty as the terminal, life is better without fancy multiplexers
    • Firefox
    • fastfetch > neofetch
    • zsh without oh-my-zsh
    • https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/tbsm as DM (if available)
    • Hyprland as the WM
    • Plasma if I have to use a DE
    • Swapfile instead of partition so I don’t risk losing my data if I don’t have enough memory (haven’t checked out ZRAM yet) Welp that changed quickly, ZRAM looks insane
    • GRUB as bootloader, also a separate install for every distro, kinda just out of fear that I’ll break it somehow
    offspec,

    I tried to use kitty but I have to ssh in to remote machines often for work, usually one of a few hundred edge devices, and I can’t configure them all to work properly with it. Is solid ssh support just not a deal breaker for others?

    backhdlp,
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    I never had a reason to use SSH after I switched to Kitty.

    corytheboyd, (edited ) in CLI tools to quickly find recently opened files by fuzzy search?
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    fzf? https://github.com/junegunn/fzf

    Out of the box, would only help searching shell commands that have been run, so for files, things like “vim file.txt”, which is obviously not usually how files are edited (you’d use the file browser in a text editor or IDE)

    However if you find a way to list all files on your system by modified time, you can pipe it to fzf for a slick fuzzy find search.

    Maybe ag would work here too: https://github.com/ggreer/the_silver_searcher

    astraeus, (edited )
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    I can’t tell you the number of times I have in fact edited files using vim even with a WM and DE. I just treat my laptop like it’s a server I connect directly to now

    Oh, or even better how many times I used the terminal in VSC to vim edit something 😂

    this_is_router,
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    things like “vim file.txt”, which is obviously not usually how files are edited

    You what mate? Don’t assume my workflow. “vi file.txt” is obviously superior to clicking inside some texteditor or file browser

    danielfgom, in New Plasma 6 Default Icon Theme Looks
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    The folder “Notes” and the folder “Library” literally could be anything. There’s no way you show that to any user and they guess the name correct.

    And this is the problem I have with all of the icons used in menu’s throughout KDE. I don’t know what the hell they are supposed to be! Even more so as the eyesight gets worse with age.

    This is why I don’t use KDE.

    1984,
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    You can change icon theme in kde.

    danielfgom, in systemd 255-rc1 Brings "Blue Screen of Death" Support and New Tool To Spawn VMs
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    Please let it not be blue! Rather default to Linux black with white text!

    jack, in Linux holds more than 8% market share in India, and it's on the upward trend

    Welcome to the circlejerk thread

    yagav50850,

    What?

    jack,

    Our monthly jerkoff to Linux numbers

    creation7758,

    Nah. The data is from 2022. Still milking last year’s numbers

    MonkCanatella, in Who uses pure GNOME (no extensions)

    I don’t really see any benefit to using pure gnome. Extensions aren’t a negative if they improve your workflow.

    Cossty, in Vanilla OS 2 Orchid will be released "very soon"

    Very soon is less than a month in my book. As far as I know they still don’t have beta, they only had alphas, so…

    danielfgom, in Fedora Linux 39 Released As A Wonderful Upgrade For Leading Workstations & Servers
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    We really need to all stop promoting Fedora especially after what Red Hat did to the Community with CentOS and closing the code off from downstream.

    Fedora is Red Hat in disguise.

    Same goes for Canonical. They’ve decided to screw the Community and try force things on users, Communist style, so they can f right off too!

    We should all only use 100% Community based distros and projects because they need our support and break their backs working for the Community.

    For example Linux Mint, Debian, Arch, Slackware and others.

    If you use Mint like I do, switch to Debian Edition and let the developers know that’s where you prefer that focus first and then do the Ubuntu edition afterwards 👍

    BRINGit34,
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    How the hell is a for profit company communist. The idiocy of this world never fails to amaze me

    sab,
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    If anything the problem seems to be that it's not communist enough.

    ares35,
    @ares35@kbin.social avatar

    it's not 'communist'.

    they (rh) can charge all they want, that is allowed. but denying those who do pay the rights granted by gpl (et al.) is not.

    vhalragnarok,

    Fedora is like it or not one of the most influential and important Distros out there.

    Fedora is and will always be cutting edge. They early adopt projects and technologies that absolutely become the standard.

    No other distro has this much influence. SystemD, Pipe wire, and other such projects are the norm because Fedora pushed it.

    And like it or not, Fedora will make this move very soon with Wayland. Wayland is our inevitable future, like it or not.

    I don’t see Arch, Debian, and others pushing things like this, but rather falling in line with Fedora.

    danielfgom,
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    That’s why we should stop using them. If they have zero users, they’ll eventually stop the Fedora project and the Community can keep pace with Debian or openSuse. openSuse can easily step into Fedora and Red Hat’s shoes.

    vhalragnarok,

    OpenSuse has a very well defined pipeline:

    Tumbleweed -> Leap (maybe Slowroll) -> SLE.

    OpenSuse is not going to break new ground. It’s all about OBS and testing software before it hits their Paid Enterprise offerings. And they have almost a fully automated procedure for this. OpenSuse is not going to push Wayland only nor what will become the standard. It’s not in their ethos. OpenSuse is there to build SLE’s next release.

    Debian being cutting edge?! Never. Debian is Debian, very slow to adopt anything. Debian is about offering a very stable release schedule. Debian will never push the ecosystem forward, it’s not Debian’s goal. You want a reliable system that just works? Debian is inarguably the king.

    danielfgom,
    @danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

    Agree 100%. And both are 100% Community. openSuse is privately owned and supported by a massive Community.

    Debian is perfect for reliability (although opensuse is very reliable) who don’t need the latest and don’t like installing updates all the time. 100% Community based.

    Two fantastic, shining examples of the power of Community supported software 💪

    ysjet,

    Instead of trying to tear down things that work, try building up the distros that don’t.

    sab,
    @sab@kbin.social avatar

    But that sounds like work. It's a lot easier to shit on other people's volunteer efforts than to actually contribute anything constructive yourself.

    danielfgom,
    @danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

    You need to understand that Red Hat/Fedora regards the Linux Community as “free loaders”. That’s how they designed described anyone wanting access to Red Hat Server source code.

    That’s what they think of you and me and all the great developers who make a lot of the software we use, often in their free time and at no cost.

    Most of the distros and software you use on Linux is made and maintained by people who are not paid but do it for the love of Libre open source freedom loving computing for all.

    That is the FOSS way. Red Hat/Fedora do not share this view. They see us all as free loaders.

    If all the great Devs who contribute so much to GNU/Linux had that attitude, you’d literally have no free distro or apps.

    That means no poor third world person would ever have access to an operating system or pc. Only us well off people in the developed world. That’s anti FOSS.

    Don’t support ass hats like Red Hat/Fedora who stand against that.

    And now we see Canonical also being ass hats but only by including telemetry in Ubuntu, but forcing snaps on end users, blocking flatpak out of the box (you can still install it yourself but newbies won’t know this) and they are aiming to eventually make Ubuntu snap only. Not to mention they worked with Microsoft to make “Linux subsystem for Windows” which is a real insult to Linux and FOSS.

    Use Debian and other Community based distros which have zero corporate funding or involvement and are 100% by the people for the people

    Mane25,

    If they have zero users, they’ll eventually stop the Fedora project

    That would be a very sad loss.

    danielfgom,
    @danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

    No. It’s what they deserve for screwing over the community. Let them pay for beta testers instead of getting free beta testing from the community

    Mane25,

    Try not to believe everything you read by random people online, Red Hat pays people to work on Fedora, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

    danielfgom,
    @danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

    I know they pay Fedora work because most of the employees ARE full time Red Hat employees.

    Hence my point that the user is the free beta tester for Enterprise software.

    Stop being a free beta tester for a Mega Corp that hates the Linux Community. Rather use Debian, Arch or another Community developed OS.

    Mane25, (edited )

    First of all you’ve swallowed the myth that Fedora users are beta testing for Enterprise software. That said discouraging people from voluntarily beta testing is bad for the community and fundamentally against the spirit of open source.

    As a long-time Fedora user I think Red Hat’s backing is good for Fedora because it means they have a solid source of funding. Apart from the resources that gives them, that way they can be entirely user-centric and not be tempted to sell user data, run ads or anything else against the users’ interests.

    There’s a lot of hearsay going on around Red Hat at the moment, some of it has grains of truth, some of it has been distorted beyond fact, I’m sorry that you’re a victim of it.

    danielfgom,
    @danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

    Beta testing is great. Just not when it’s for Red Hat(Fedora), Canonical, Microsoft (WSL) or any other Greedy Corp. when they are requesting this in the spirit of open source.

    Rather beta test for Debian

    Mane25,

    Not how open source works, you don’t get to choose who benefits from it, it’s for anyone who wants to use it. Ubuntu is downstream of Debian is it not?

    danielfgom,
    @danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

    Well Red Hat put up a paywall so that only those who they choose, can get the code. That’s the issue. Then they justified it by calling users who want the code “free loaders”. That’s typical proprietary speak, it has no place in open source.

    Ubuntu is downstream of Debian. But canonical have taken it, forced snaps on users, forced opt out telemetry in users and removed default flatpak support. All very user hostile moves.

    Hence I’m calling the community to show these corps we don’t need them and community distros have everything we need while protecting user freedom.

    Mane25, (edited )

    Remember what I said about hearsay? Everything in Fedora is FOSS, everything in RHEL is also FOSS (because it’s in CentOS Stream). All the code is released, not behind a “paywall”. All that Red Hat have done is make it more difficult for companies to sell a 1:1 “bug for bug compatible” RHEL clone - those are the “free loaders” being spoken of and who they’re targeting, not the Linux community, it’s people like Oracle (who incidentally are also the ones fanning the flames of this drama).

    I’m no fan of Canonical, but even with your description you’re really sensationalising things there as well. The point is by supporting Debian you’re inadvertently supporting Canonical - I don’t think that’s a problem myself but it seems you have double standards.

    danielfgom, (edited )
    @danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

    I would like to quote for you from Gnu.org, Richard Stallman’s organization that invented the idea of free software. Here he explains what that means. I’ll link to the full webpage below.

    “Actually, we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can.** If a license does not permit users to make copies and sell them, it is a nonfree license.** If this seems surprising to you, please read on.

    The word “free” has two legitimate general meanings; it can refer either to freedom or to price. When we speak of “free software,” we’re talking about freedom, not price. (Think of “free speech,” not “free beer.”) Specifically, it means that a user is free to run the program, study and change the program, and redistribute the program with or without changes.”

    (Emphasis mine)

    Source: www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html

    As you can see, anyone who obtains the code CAN redistribute it unchanged, bug for bug…

    I rest my case.

    Mane25,

    You haven’t even made a case to rest.

    danielfgom,
    @danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

    Can you read? Read the full article.

    Kaidao,

    Why would this be a good thing at all? One of the main goals of the ecosystem is to have multiple choices, and as others in this thread has mentioned, Fedoras made significant progress for the adoption of Linux as a whole

    danielfgom,
    @danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

    Because you’d be helping Community distros get better, as well as financially, instead of supporting corporations that use you as beta testers to improve their paid corporate product and then screw you over when you want access to the server code.

    Kaidao,

    I still don’t see how having the choice is a bad thing. If you don’t like Red Hats position, then don’t use Fedora. For those that believe using Fedora will help better the Open Source ecosystem, they have the ability to do so.

    Getting rid of a choice completely because you don’t agree with a position in a nuanced conversation seems childish

    danielfgom,
    @danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not saying it will be banned, you can still use it but I’m calling the community to return to community distros like Debian who are 100% libre and user freedom respecting… Plus there many dedicated developers and other volunteers who support this out of love for FOSS and the principles of free computing for all.

    That’s not childish. It’s a call to get back to our roots. Use Community distros, volunteer your time if you have the skills they need, make a money donation to thank them and help the project keep going. That’s how FOSS is supposed to work.

    By the Community, for the Community 💪

    alt,

    Fedora is and will always be cutting leading edge.

    Fixed that for you ;) .

    Guenther_Amanita, (edited )

    Fedora is community based and “independent” from RedHat.

    In the past, they often actively decided against RHs interests and will continue doing that in the future.
    Independend in " because RH puts lots of dev power and $ into the Fedora Project, and loosing that would hurt.

    It’s a symbiotic relationship: RH provides money and developers, while we as users test for new technologies that will get used for RHEL in the future.

    The increased ressources provides us with more (also financial) security. Still, if RH somehow decides to abandon Fedora, it will still continue to live on, see Project uBlue as example.


    Also, calling everything you dislike “communist” is just dumb, there are way better words for that… Either, you use communism in the terms of “totalitarian government” like Stalin was, which is just… unfitting (Holodomor, etc.); or you don’t get that promoting community based distros is more socialist than you realize.

    Just say “I don’t like stuff forced on me from corporations like Canonical” and don’t use Ubuntu and thereof. Nobody hinders you in using what you want, and that’s great!

    TheGrandNagus,

    People have absolutely lost their damn minds over the RH thing lol

    sab,
    @sab@kbin.social avatar

    But you don't understand - I have reputable sources telling me that Linux is communism!

    bdonvr,

    That would make it cooler

    601error,
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    The reaction is funny too, because in my experience comparing communities of various distros, Fedora’s community is among the the most inviting and professionally-behaving of them.

    Personally, I am not running Fedora at the moment, but probably will when my Framework 16 arrives, since Fedora is officially supported on it. And to be honest, I find that I am making the same choices with Arch as Fedora would have made for me (aside from bootloader), so I feel that I’m wasting a bit of effort.

    Agent641, in Linux holds more than 8% market share in India, and it's on the upward trend

    UnkownOS is a great privacy operating system. If users dont know what they are doing, then how can the government?

    nik282000, (edited ) in Who uses pure GNOME (no extensions)
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    I used GNOME with no extensions for about 5 years. Recently I started using a window tiling extension but that’s only for for convenience, I wouldn’t say it’s fixing anything that is broken.

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