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hunger, in wayland, not even once
@hunger@programming.dev avatar

Yes, wayland by design does not let random applications grab events intended for other applications nor does it let random applications take screenshots at any point in time showing other applications screens. This requires applications to do screen sharing differently, and it indeed breaks random applications sending events to random other applications. That is basically all you wail about and an absolutely necessary property of any sensible system and it is very embarrassing that it took so long to get this.

akash_rawal, in Copy this code and paste it in the CLI. And no, it's not a forkbomb.

imgur.com/8p7oPbp

spoilerIt’s fine guys, I ran it in a VM with no networking.

nobloat, (edited ) in wayland, not even once

Had me at “References >> 5 years old Chris Titus Tech YouTube video”

_cnt0, in wayland, not even once

Doesn’t it get tiring to create new accounts only to post the same stuff time and time again, only to get it downvoted, removed, and banned time and time again? What do you get out of it? Do you masturbate to the comment sections?

KISSmyOS, (edited ) in wayland, not even once

Isn’t it weird what people get worked up about?
Just keep using X11 with twm, SysV init, LILO and Alsa on your 32bit BIOS IBM Thinkpad.
It all still works, and YOU can keep it maintained yourself, that’s the beauty of FOSS.

jimmy90, in State of the Nvidia open source driver in late 2023?

this guys says it’s all good

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f4B8uIPqcE

Pantherina,

No, he sais the nuveau drivers dont work, and the proprietary drivers work well.

velox_vulnus, in wayland, not even once

I’m not an expert on Wayland vs Xorg, but don’t you think it is unfair to not let a new protcol be given some time to improve?

safefel556,

It had 15 years to improve. You could write a new operating system in that time.

anyhow2503,

It already has improved. You’re just very ignorant in your idealism. I’ve used it at home and for work for at least 6 years now and the problems have honestly been way less than expected for an X replacement. Screensharing was probably the biggest hurdle initially, but even that has worked for quite some time now. The last remaining issues are pretty much down to individual applications.

You could not write an operating system even remotely comparable to Linux in that time with the ressources the Wayland devs had available.

HumanPenguin, (edited )
@HumanPenguin@feddit.uk avatar

LOL x11 was created in 1984. I started with it in 1994. By 2000 it was still a long long way from perfect. Heck that is why wayland x12 is created. Because x11 has some old fasioned ideas that really do not fit so well today.

As for making an OS in that time. Well microsoft seems to have taken way longer then 15 years. And few would ever say they are perfect.

Honestly I am far from a wayland fan. I do not consider it a valid replacement for x11 yet. I also use Nvidia. But it is and will get there. Likly just in time for folks to start wanting a replacement. That is sorta how this stuff goes in the FOSS Operating system development cycle.

brunofin, (edited ) in wayland, not even once

Boycott you instead, dinosaur.

Isn’t Linux about freedom? Fucking pick a distro that uses X11 you like and keep X11, or build your own or some crap like that.

safefel556,

Don’t worry the red hat moderators will boycott me by issuing a ban

brunofin,

Did you really wake up so early this morning and chose violence?

Dude it’s Friday. Leave us alone and go be happy.

mintycactus,
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    safefel556,

    Still not a reason to ban anyone. They openly censor opposing opinions and you are literally advocating this.

    hunger,
    @hunger@programming.dev avatar

    Removing dump stuff to keep a community relevant, on topic and with a good signal to noise ratio is not censorship. Claiming so is just dumb.

    safefel556,

    What I post is relevant and on-topic and you have outed yourself as an actual paid shill. I’ll give you a tip, don’t advocate for censorship so openly. Even if you do, there are discreet ways to do so.

    breadsmasher,
    @breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

    Ah you got him! The Elders of Wayland are paying this dude to shill wayland on a tiny lemmy community /s

    You should get offline and go touch grass. you are losing touch with reality

    safefel556,

    Wherever you say, shill

    breadsmasher,
    @breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t believe you even know what a “shill” is

    hunger,
    @hunger@programming.dev avatar

    Censorship is about you being limited in the actions you can take to express yourself. It is not about cushioning you from the consequences of those actions from the people around you.

    You obviously were allowed to take action: The contents was apparent upon on a forum and here as well. People reacted to your actions: Admins removed your contents and blocked you and I am telling you that your understanding of wayland as well as politics is limited.

    Deal with it.

    luthis, (edited ) in Why does the new version of Kubuntu take longer to start the wifi connection?

    systemd-analyze plot > boottimes.svg

    Open the SVG and have a look at what’s happening during boot.

    journalctl -b will give you some more info too. If you’re using grub to boot (probably in /boot/grub/grub.cfg), you can change the loglevel and add the udev option to get a bunch more info. Helped me with a random issue recently. Here’s mine for an example:

    
<span style="color:#323232;">### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ###
</span><span style="color:#323232;">menuentry 'Arch Linux' --class arch --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-simple-a96b3354-70dd-45ed-8c6c-95171e9f1e82' {
</span><span style="color:#323232;">	load_video
</span><span style="color:#323232;">	set gfxpayload=keep
</span><span style="color:#323232;">	insmod gzio
</span><span style="color:#323232;">	insmod part_gpt
</span><span style="color:#323232;">	insmod ext2
</span><span style="color:#323232;">	search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root a96b3354-70dd-45ed-8c6c-95171e9f1e82
</span><span style="color:#323232;">	echo	'Loading Linux linux ...'
</span><span style="color:#323232;">	linux	/boot/vmlinuz-linux root=UUID=a96b3354-70dd-45ed-8c6c-95171e9f1e82 rw  loglevel=3 udev.log-priority=debug 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">	echo	'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
</span><span style="color:#323232;">	initrd	/boot/amd-ucode.img /boot/initramfs-linux.img
</span><span style="color:#323232;">}
</span>
    mnmalst,

    FYI: /etc/grub.d/10_linux should not be edited directly for permanent changes since those changes get replaced when grub is updated.

    Use /etc/default/grub for permanent changes.

    luthis,

    True, but for this purpose it’s totally fine.

    There’s also a big disclaimer at the top of the file:

    cat grub.cfg

    DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE

    It is automatically generated by grub-mkconfig using templates

    from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub

    Wording could probably be less DOOM SHALL BEFALL YE, as long as you aren’t messing around and just adding logging it’s not an issue.

    More info on grub here: wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB

    mnmalst,

    Indeed, just wanted to make sure people are aware. :)

    Cheers

    leo85811nardo,

    If you know what you are doing, type “yes do as I say”

    luthis,

    That’s the best part about Linux. You’re allowed to do anything even when it’s definitely a bad idea.

    Wispy2891, in Why does the new version of Kubuntu take longer to start the wifi connection?

    I think the connection is made by some program after login and not automatically by the system as in other operating systems

    If for example i install icewm on kubuntu I don’t have Wi-Fi connection at all

    TxTechnician,

    Network Manager?

    s38b35M5,
    @s38b35M5@lemmy.world avatar

    Was playing with KDE on live boot today and noticed WiFi took a long while after entering WiFi creds. Didn’t bother digging into why, though.

    ElderWendigo,

    I remember having to go out of my way to get an Ubuntu machine to connect to WiFi before login for this reason. It felt strange to have to do that at first, but it’s also reassuring that the machine isn’t by default connecting to a wireless network without user input first unless I give it explicit instructions to do so.

    TxTechnician,

    I actually like that. Have to put in the password on fist boot before network will connect to wifi.

    Dirk, in wayland, not even once
    @Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

    Ah yes, the uneducated FUD article again.

    Presi300, in What do you think about this?
    @Presi300@lemmy.world avatar

    Imo, Chris Titus should just stop making Linux content… His windows content is genuinely useful, yet his Linux content boils down to "arch and debian good, ye old packages good, Wayland not ready, snaps/flatpaks/everything else sucks, Gnome bad, gnome bad (again), fedora bad… He’s the literal definition of a gatekeeper.

    interceder270,

    Weird, I agree with most of those points.

    Presi300,
    @Presi300@lemmy.world avatar

    Cool

    TootSweet, in wayland, not even once

    Imagine taking your unresolved childhood trauma out on Wayland.

    And with a throwaway account no less.

    jeansibelius, in wayland, not even once

    This guy don’t even understand what Wayland is, but feels comfortable to judge it.

    Cralder,

    My favorite part is where he admits to being mad without even knowing what Wayland is.

    Edit: When I wrote the above, I didn’t really realize what Wayland even was, I just noticed that some distributions (like Fedora) started pushing it onto me and things didn’t work properly there.

    pan_troglodytes, in wayland, not even once

    what’s up with this? I see this school of thought bandied around quite a bit recently. wayland… it’s a protocol. do they hate tcp/ip too? can they boycott that instead?

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