TCB13,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

What’s the real difference between an “anarchist communist” and a “communist”? The first one can have “personal property” while the second cant? So… an anarchist communist can own a car but not a house? According to the internet “personal property” is everything that can be moved (not real estate) and isn’t considered for production of something…

Cowbee, (edited )

A few things draw significant differences.

Anarchism is fundamentally a firm rejection of unjust hierarchy, including the state, via building up of bottom-up structures using networks of Mutual Aid or other strategies (like Syndicalism).

Communism is fundamentally about advancing beyond Capitalism into Socialism and eventually Communism. It’s fundamentally Marxist, unlike most forms of Anarchism (which don’t necessarily reject Marx, but also don’t accept everything Marx wrote). Communists are generally perfectly fine with using the state in order to eventually achieve a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society, as each becomes unnecessary and whithers away.

In essence, Anarchism rejects that a state is necessary at all, and seeks to directly replace current systems with the end-goal of an Anarchist structure, whereas Communists tend to agree more with gradual change, rapidly building up the productive forces, and achieving a global, international Communism.

Anarcho-Communism seeks to combine these into directly implementing full Communism without going through Socialism first.

All of this is from a generally Leftist perspective, without leaning into any given tendency, as I believe the most critical battles now are building up a sizable leftist coalition. Everyone should focus on organizing, unionizing, reading, learning, sympathizing, empathizing, and improving themselves and those around them.

AaronMaria,

I’ve never heard anyone argue against personal property. Usually the difference is that Anarchists want to skip the workers’ state, while other Communists think it’s a necessity to achieve Communism.

Lianodel,

A big part of the confusion comes from the fact that different people will use these terms differently.

In a capitalist framework, there’s private property and public property. Either an individual (or or specific group) own something, anything, or it’s owned by the government.

In a socialist framework, private property is distinguished from personal property. Personal property is your stuff that you use for yourself. Your coat, your car, your TV, etc. Private property is the means of production, or capital—things that increase a worker’s ability to do useful work. Think factories or companies, where ownership in and of itself, regardless of labor, would make the owner money. Socialists think that kind of private property shouldn’t exist, because it means wealthy people can just own stuff for a living, profiting off of the people who do the work.

Housing can go either way. Owning a home for yourself and your family would be far closer to personal property, while owning an apartment building to collect rent would be far closer to private property.

Socialism, for the most part and historically, is an umbrella term describing social rather than private ownership. That would include anarchism, which largely synonymous with “libertarian socialism.” Lenin, on the other hand, used it to more specifically refer to an intermediate stage between capitalism in communism, so you might see people using that more narrow definition to exclude anarchists, democratic socialists, etc.

Melina,
@Melina@hexbear.net avatar

It’s actually an example of something that doesn’t work so anarcho communism

seas_surround,
@seas_surround@hexbear.net avatar

melina you can’t Post on other instances you’re too powerful

IsThisLoss,
Drewfro66,
@Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Lmao amazing

Urist, (edited )
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

Pretty much all of the internet and most appliances run Linux. If you are actually taking the comparison seriously it would say that it does work.

EDIT: Or BSD, but the same holds true for it as well.

xor,

not to mention Android and iOS are essentially gnu/linux…
(different kernels but, still)

BlanK0,

And I think Lemmy is also an example of ancom due to the fediverse and the self-hosting aspect 🤔

captainlezbian,

FOSS is an ancom as food not bombs and books to prisoners programs.

itslilith, (edited )
@itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Don’t know about books to prisoners, but food not bombs is definitely influenced heavily by libertarian socialism

captainlezbian,

Is that why there were so many darn anarchists there?

And yeah books to prisoners programs are both a means of direct action and of spreading anti carceral propaganda to those most effected. Not all programs are anarchist, but the one I helped with had a zine library that included a lot of stuff by former prisoners about the harm, ineffectiveness, and racist origins of the American prison system. Which was good because at least that was something they always had enough of unlike English-Spanish dictionaries. Seriously if you ever have any lying around donate it to a books for prisoners program. A lot of prisoners want to learn to communicate with those they’re locked in a cage with. And for anyone with more liberal sensibilities it’s also a form of self improvement that helps on the outside.

squaresinger,

And the FOSS system seems to be collapsing right now for the same reason that anarcho-communism only works short-term until someone sees commercial value in it and abuses the system to the limit.

  • Big corporations initially providing exceptional services based on FOSS and after a while use their market share to excert undue control about the system (see e.g. RedHat, Ubuntu, Chrome, Android, …)
  • Big corporations taking FLOSS, rebranding it and hiding it below their frontend, so that nobody can interact with or directly use the FLOSS part (e.g. iOS, any car manufacturer, …)
  • Big and small companies just using GPL (or similar) software and not sharing their modifications when asked (e.g. basically any embedded systems, many Android manufacturers, RedHat, …)
  • Big corporations using infrastructure FOSS without giving anything back (e.g. OpenSSL, which before Heartbleed was developed and maintained by a single guy with barely enough funding to stay alive, while it was used by millions of projects with a combined user base of billions of users)

The old embrace-extend-extinguish playbook is everywhere.

And so it’s no surprise that many well-known FOSS developers are advocating for some kind of post-FOSS system that forces commercial users to pay for their usage of the software.

Considering how borderline impossible it is for some software developer to successfully sue a company to comply with GPL, I can’t really see such a post-FOSS system work well.

zaknenou,
@zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

bro this is depressing. I think CLI projects are less likely to receive donations for some reason and more in danger

markus99,

no

Cowbee,

yes

Blackmist,

So is Linus Lenin or Stalin?

Cowbee,

Neither, the title specifically states Anarcho-Communism, not Marxism-Leninism. Closest analog would be any other AnCom that created a large publicly available service.

Hjalamanger,
@Hjalamanger@feddit.nu avatar

Yep, and that’s the beauty of it ❤️🐧

Suoko,
@Suoko@feddit.it avatar

F**** now I got it! Amazon means from Anarchism to Zyuganovism

oeLLph,
xia,

A lot of magic can happen when scarcity vanishes, or is ephemeralized.

SrTobi,

Isn’t Linux more like a benevolent dictatorship. At least the kernel development.

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