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SRo, in Just because it’s better than windows doesn’t make it good

But it’s not better than windows.

Stumblinbear, (edited )
@Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

Gotta disagree, the gestures are actually amazing. Only pain point is gaming, but I don’t really do that, and the dev experience is pretty good compared to windows too. Installing programs is as easy as it should be on windows. Fuck msi installers

Cowbee, in Distros bad

This meme is fake! Espresso only takes 15 minutes from start to end! At least, if you cut out preheating the machine…

cries

YodaDaCoda,
@YodaDaCoda@sh.itjust.works avatar

I worked out that I can better/ more quickly preheat my portafilter using the water from the kettle for the wife’s instant coffee.

Cowbee,

Giga brain Chad over here! Nah, my partner and I wake up at different times, and she doesn’t even like coffee in the first place. I usually start preheating my machine before taking a shower in the morning, and that gives enough time for my flair to preheat. All I need to do is manually grind, start the kettle, and do my puck prep, then good to go!

It’s honestly a comfy ritual, plus you get to pull a great turbo shot every morning for pennies compared to even a Starbucks, for far better quality. Does it “save” money? No, but it’s a hobby I love!

qprimed,

everyone needs a good vice hobby.

joyjoy, in No tearing support discussions for me

When you’re asked if you prefer x11 or Wayland, but you like titties.

constantokra,

Tiv will handle that on the tty just fine.

TrenchcoatFullofBats,

“Fine” being (arguably) marginally better than attempting to decipher a scrambled cable channel that could be either the softcore channel or a travel documentary - either way, you’re looking at something that rhymes with “complicating crank”.

pete_the_cat, in No tearing support discussions for me

Just use Wayland with XWayland

richardisaguy, (edited )
@richardisaguy@lemmy.world avatar

i use a x11 desktop under wayland using xwayland

MonkderZweite, in So sad when it happens

Never happened to me.

Government stuff?

Grippler, (edited )

Every single piece of software i need for my job is only available on windows. No getting around it, there are literally no alternatives. I’m not working with anything government-related.

phoenixz,

Out of curiosity, what are you working with?

Grippler,

I’m Software engineer in industrial manufacturing. Basically every tool I use is proprietary and only made for windows.

MonkderZweite,

Fair. Some jobs are still Windows only.

c0mbatbag3l, in Distros bad
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Fedora should be French press but yeah lol

Pantherina,

True. Tooling but not too much.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Looks complicated to the uninitiated, works fairly quickly and simply to those that are familiar with coffee, but the output is divided between those that believe it to be a superior product for the commitment and those that don’t see it as worth it compared to other methods.

Sounds just like Fedora lol

Treczoks, in So sad when it happens

That’s what weekends are for. No windows on my PC. The worst thing with this windows stuff at work is that it is needed for running some antique software that still needs win7. At least the win98 machine has been retired.

boomzilla,

Windows 7 is yolo for a business. Support ran out in January 2023. But I guess it’s some hardware it needs to support, right?

Had that for a few years in my life too. The enterprise ran on Windows Server, MS Dynamics, MS VPN, Exchange etc. and the Dynamics Server could not be upgraded for years because so much depended on it. It was a tremendous effort to do it at the end.

Treczoks,

But I guess it’s some hardware it needs to support, right?

No, it is for some fickely software. There is a win10 version of the software, but it supports only a subset of the data that the win7 version supports for some reasons that make no sense to me.

Pantherina, in It does Sound stupid

I use GNU is not Unix is not Linux + Linux in a distributed form called Fedora using a display protocol called wayland on a Desktop called KDE btw.

metaStatic,

or as I've come to call it Arch

backhdlp,
@backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Umm ackwschually the DE is called Plasma

Pantherina,

K Desktop Environment

I dont get this Plasma thing

callyral,
@callyral@pawb.social avatar

It used to be K Desktop Environment, but it’s called Plasma since KDE became the organization behind KDE Plasma. This is because they make things other than the desktop environment, like apps such as Krita or Kdenlive, which aren’t DE specific.

Klear,

So GNUNUNL+L?

LEDZeppelin, in Three Chapters in. While its pretty cool to hear about the history, im still waiting on the connection with Debian.

Et tu tu Brute!

wuphysics87, in So sad when it happens

I like running windows in a vm it’s like having an animal in a cage you can poke with a stick. Not that I would do that. Hypothetically of course.

CaptKoala,

I’m currently testing my game library before I relegate windows to a cage, some teething issues as I expected but I’ll get through it.

I will absolutely poke windows with a stick, preferably a pointy, barbed wire wrapped one.

SexualPolytope, in Distros bad
@SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

MacOS is Starbucks.

baseless_discourse, (edited )

expensive coffee that tastes terrible!

ichmagrum,

You get to choose between burnt-tasting black coffee and a pint of milk with more syrup than espresso!

QueriesQueried,

Worse, expensive coffee that tastes mediocre, but they insist they were the first ones to add flavourings to it.

thezeesystem, in alias 2024='echo "YEAR OF THE DESKTOP"'

Why I don’t switch to Linux as my main. The video games and mod managers don’t work well on it.

If given the ability and choice too I would use Linux 10000% but not even proton can work on everything that is only for Windows.

I literally have no choice tbh as I “acquire” games I can’t afford and it’s often to hard to figure out how to install them on Linux.

I hate windows with a passion but capatilism and monopolies force me to use it.

MrBubbles96,

In my experience, 90% of games work on Linux just by using proton. I’ve even had some of my GoG games that just absolutely did not work on modern Windows just straight up be “install and click play” on Linux via just Wine or by using Proton. The 10% that don’t are multiplayer games with heavy anticheats–which, unfortuenatly are what a lot of people play. Some of them already work (Apex, Dead by Daylight, Halo) some are getting worked on (Genshin–tho there IS a way to play it on Linux, at the risk of a ban, a buncha easy-anticheat games like Hunt: Showdown, etc) and some have just plain said a Linux version is out of the cards (Fortnite, Destiny 2 AFAIK).

Modding games also works fine on Linux, but there’s a bit of a catch: it’s not as simple as installing MO2 and Vortex (you CAN install both via Lutris or Steamtinker, but I’ve personally never gotten either to work like that so i can’t say how well it does or doesn’t), you kinda have to play around and see what works. I was able to mod Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout New Vegas, and Morrowind exactly as i do on Windows (the former three using Rockerbacon’s Mod Organizer 2 script, the last one manually), Fallout 4 manually (haven’t tried the script since i don’t really play FO4, tho I’m sure it works), Pathfinder WOTR via using it’s mod manager in Proton, using Steam Workshop if a game supports it, and using Mod Managers for Linux when they’re available, like Baldur’s Gate 3’s LAMP. Yeah, it’s a hassle depending on the game. For me, it’s fine because I accepted long ago that there would be some annoyances to Linux, and as long as there isn’t any native mod managers built specifically for Linux and we’re stuck jury rigging mod managers made for Windows, modding will be one of those annoyances. But my tolerance is not everyone’s tolerance and I completely understand if people are put off by this and just stick to Windows for modded games.

BURN,

Unfortunately that 10% of games that don’t work are extremely popular and do happen to be what I’d consider a majority of pc gamers are playing

MrBubbles96,

Oh, I’m not disputing that a large chunk of gamers play games that aren’t playable on Linux yet (tho i disagree with the claim that the majority of PC gamers play those). I’ve always said “it depends on what you like to play” when it comes to gaming on Linux and I’ll stand by that until/if that stops being the case. My first point still stands tho:

The unplayable ones are a drop in the bucket. That’s a straight up fact. And some, if not most of the unplayables are getting patched to work on Linux sooner or later (save for Fortnite. Why do I pick on that one specifically? 1) I personally dislike it and Epic, but more importantly, 2) Epic’s CEO straight up shot the idea of Linux compatability down…even tho there’s nothing really stopping them from enabling Easy Anticheat on their side and making it work vs say, making something like Battle Eye Anticheat play nice with Linux).

BURN,

If you look at the steam charts, the big FPS games pretty much dominate. I’d argue that does mean the majority are playing at least 1 of the incompatible games at least somewhat casually or with friends.

Most of the unplayables aren’t going to be Linux compatible. Most have come out and explicitly said so. If it hasn’t enabled Linux support by now, I’d expect it to never come.

EAC being enabled for Linux brings the security of the whole system down, which is why there’s resistance to it. You’re not able to cover nearly as much, so cheaters have exponentially more attack surface for a very minimal gain of players.

MrBubbles96,

Strange, last I checked most of the top played games were also Linux compatible. Then again, the most played titles change frequently, so I’ve no doubt at least a couple of non-Linux compatible games make it up there depending on several factors like update/DLC resurrance and such.

Really? I’ve heard the opposite, but maybe their stances have changed and i just didn’t keep up with em or i was misinformed to begin with. Regardless, I have seen a couple of multiplayer games go from broken/not working at all to actually launching and being playable (as an example Naraka: Bladepoint. It also took Dead by Daylight forever to be playable on Linux, but it is now. I believe Apex was the same). Some aren’t perfect yet, but they work instead of stopping at the title screen–if even that. Sure, not all of incompatible games are gonna make it to Linux for one reason or another, but they are being brought in–albiet, i admit It’s slow as hell but hey, s’long as more people get to play what they want on the OS they choose to use at the end of the day–at least from what I’m seeing. Could be very wrong and am willing to admit so if shown otherwise.

Unfortunate, but true that.

Hexarei,
@Hexarei@programming.dev avatar

Proton may not be perfect but it works for the vast majority of games at this point. And most mod managers can also run through Lutris, curious to hear which ones you’ve tried that didn’t work

ekky43, (edited )

Not even Windows can run all Windows games, so that’s kind of a hard criteria for Linux to achieve.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

Windows will run a modern windows game with a lot less fiddling than Linux with wine and proton.

Most people aren’t spending a lot of time playing 20 year old games on windows 11.

ares35,
@ares35@kbin.social avatar

i have several old systems for older games, going all the way back to a good ol' celeron 300a.

Buffalox, (edited ) in So sad when it happens

Personally 6570 days without windows, and counting.

doink,

I am close to that at home but use windows almost every day at work. Cry in shower time.

user224,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

6461 days for me

Pantherina, in Just because it’s better than windows doesn’t make it good

Had to show a person today how to install Nextcloud. Literally Nextcloud and we couldnt find a way to move to the home folder. Its somewhere in a menu but damn macos is fucking weird, like a toy.

I always thought it was like “the apple unix” or “the better ios which doesnt suck” but actually it seems just as locked down and childish like a toy.

People are used to that?? Damn we are fucked

CapeWearingAeroplane, (edited )

cd ~/ && open .

idk how hard or unintuitive that is?

Pok,

Are you saying you couldn’t get the home folder to open? Or you couldn’t locate the folder?

Isn’t it just the in the shortcut pane, the username with the picture of a house? To you try to open the ‘go’ menu and select ‘home’?

Pantherina,

Yes Nextcloud (for some reason) can put itself in the shortcut pane, but for some damn child-proofing reason the home folder is not there??

RaoulDook,

The Home folder is there, but you just didn’t know how to find it. What you experienced was “not knowing what you’re doing” which just means you needed to learn how to use what you were trying to use.

Pantherina,

Nah, its the OS actively hiding stuff. Just like windows and Android forcing you to use their folder structure.

I may be a bit linuxy here, but thats literally what my dad told me, and on Windows it makes more sense, to put everything in the main directory and use CAPITALS for folders only so you see they are yours.

For sure one could argue macos is just different and you can use that top menu, but what are the shortcut buttons there for? Its a decision and it felt veeeery weird. Even though it may be fixable

RmDebArc_5,
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

As Richard Stallman said: Steve Jobs created a cage and made it so shiny that millions of people want to be trapped in it (From memory so not exact, just search Richard Stallman Apple fanboys are fools)

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

MacOS gets much more fluid to use when you memorize the keyboard commands. Command+Shift+G in the Finder brings up a menu where you can type any path you want, including ~

sirico, in Can you install thid 25 year old program?
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

A lot of windows UI is 30 years old

MonkderZweite,

No, literally. 11 still has some pre-XP dialog boxes. The framework they were written in obviously too (+at least 11 more).

Aux,

This framework is part of Win32API. It’s still maintained and is a core API set.

Blackmist,

Always jarring when you open a folder dialog, and an unresizeable chunk of Windows 3.1 suddenly appears.

I know it’s still in the ODBC settings, probably other places too.

Siegfried,

This bothers me a lot and also applies, to some extent, to MS office software. If you go deep enough you end up in the same old clunky UI that actually did the job.

RichCaffeineFlavor,

And there will be a riot if they try to change it

MystikIncarnate,

There already was one… Does anyone remember Windows 8?

Lemmyvisitor,

it wouldn’t be so bad if the change wasn’t objectively worse

HerrBeter,

I throughly enjoyed windows 8. Having a side screen with all programs in a fully customizable area was great

ILikeBoobies,

Pretty sure Windows has more legacy components than Linux just because no nerds are updating it in their free time

Aux,

Windows has a lot of legacy components, because there’s this Fortune 500 corporation which still depends on it in 2023. Say what you want about Windows, but its backwards compatibility is unmatched. Windows also had 32-bit x86 CPU support until Windows 10, meaning that it could still run some 16-bit Windows 3.0 apps.

pete_the_cat,

Windows is also a clusterfuck of spaghetti code that only the most masochistic person would want to tackle. There’s so much legacy stuff in there it’s ridiculous. For example you can’t name a file com because of the DOS days when a COM file allowed you to access the Serial ports.

Titou,
@Titou@feddit.de avatar

It’s updated by the entreprise not users

Cethin,

Exactly. Profit is the only thing that matters, so things only change if they’ll increase profits.

Titou,
@Titou@feddit.de avatar

Then why are they acting like they want to gain less profits ?

ILikeBoobies,

More ads/data harvesting gives you more profit

MonkderZweite, (edited )

Enterprise keeps what works. Why make it new?

rambaroo,

New UIs drive sales up, that’s why they refresh the UI every few versions.

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