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jeffhykin, in Opening a full editor is overrated

sd or nothing. I’m never dealing with sed’s slow and out of date regex ever again

DoomBot5,

Oh look, this one isn’t installed on practically every Linux machine in existence

jeffhykin,

For now 😎

palordrolap,

You know that sed does more than s///g, right?

Someone even wrote a version of dc (the arbitrary precision RPN desktop calculator) with it. They were clearly insane of course, but it proves that sed is more than just find and replace.

Honourable mention to awk's sub() and gsub() that, at least for basic find/replace, do the same thing. awk is often surprisingly quick.

beta_tester, in Linux mint = best beginner distro

I never understood the “hype” around mint

LainOfTheWired,
@LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol avatar

When I convicted my dad to switch to Linux it’s what I’ve given him, and he’s been very happy with it, so I guess it’s just that it isn’t a pain for a noob and it works a lot like windows

EuroNutellaMan,
@EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world avatar

cool newbie distro that looks similiar to windows and doesn’t do the bad shit Ubuntu does. That’s it, it’s not for everyone.

LordOfTheChia, (edited )

I haven’t used mint in a while but did for a few years. The out of the box experience (at that time) was better.

Article from 2011:

Linux Mint 11 is a very respectable and speedy distribution and is comparatively very media friendly and easy to use out of the box for newcomers. These qualities likely have contributed to the operating system’s place on the Top 5 Linux Distribution list.

pcper.com/…/linux-mint-rising-in-popularity-and-s…

More contemporary Mint users chime in here with why they prefer Mint:

forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=383991

Take a hugely popular distro which alienates some some users with some issues or unappealing GUI choices, Mint comes along and polishes it further and you end up with a distro that is just perfect for that niche.

I think quite a few Ubuntu users migrated to KUbuntu or Mint when Canonical made Unity the default (in Ubuntu 11.04).

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Unity

kubica, (edited )
@kubica@kbin.social avatar

I remember trying Ubuntu Unity, back when I was wondering if I could be a good idea to switch Linux. But I had no patience at the time for the buttons on the opposite side of the window. I can't stop thinking that if it wasn't for that, things could have been quite different.

trash80,

The best thing about Mint used to be not spending time adding nonfree software and media codecs. I don’t know whether it is still has that advantage over ubuntu.

gaterush,

My anecdote, granted I’m no Linux master: I recently went into a distro rigamarole, installed openSUSE, Manjaro, etc, before arriving to Mint, because I could not find one that handled my CPU and graphics and drivers setup without significant effort.

Then I installed Mint (avoiding Ubuntu and its Canonicalness), and setup was very simple and everything worked out of the box. I could run Steam with external GPU without going through many workarounds or setup using nvidia prime and launchers and so forth

Stylistically I also like cinnamon, but Mint mainly was just so low hassle and simple I have to give it props for that

Theharpyeagle,

It’s just the easiest distro to get into coming from windows/mac. It’s more lenient about the third party/closed source software that people might be familiar with, lots of GUI tools including the Software Center that makes it easy to install things, and plenty of flavors to suit whatever feels most natural to you. It’s got a nice GUI installer and live version that is sure to make people feel more comfortable about installing an OS if they’ve never done it before, and it’s not at all fussy about the hardware it runs on. It’s also rock solid as far as I’ve experienced. And, of course, it has the benefit of accessing the huge amount of software that supports debian. Also, owing to its popularity, the community is very active and welcoming to newbies.

When I was first getting into Linux, I was definitely more experimental and tried out Fedora just to get as far from Windows as I could. Now I’m not so adventurous and just want something that provides as similar a workflow as possible to the workflow I have to use at work with windows. So it goes that, when setting up a new laptop where I want an OS that just works, I reach for Linux Mint.

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

Software install tool on Mint is so much faster and more intuitive than the abomination I’m using on Nobara. I appreciate their efforts to make a gaming distro and I recommend it but if you want polish and more GUI tools, Mint works.

savvywolf,
@savvywolf@pawb.social avatar

Long time Mint user here. Switched to them ages ago because they didn’t try to “revolutionize” the desktop in the whole Gnome 3/Ubuntu Unity era, and the OS was close enough to Ubuntu that instructions and software for Ubuntu would run on it. Since then, it’s only been getting better, and they haven’t been accumulating drama (Snap, telemetry, whatever Redhat is doing, etc.). like the more popular distros have been.

I’d recommend it to new people because it Just Works, has flatpack support, is similar enough to Windows and the many Ubuntu-specific instructions in the wild apply to it.

Magister,
@Magister@lemmy.world avatar

I used it when it became super popular, I installed Mint/Cinnamon, after a few months I switched to MX Linux Xfce and using it for 5+ years now.

Mint is polished for new users, not power users.

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

Curious what things you found less polished for power users?

My approach is: use the GUI if it’s easy, otherwise, use the command line.

Is there some level of power user beyond that? Using cat to write kernel modules in binary and load on the fly? (I kid…)

muhyb,

Perhaps it’s not a hype, Linux Mint is just the closest thing to what Ubuntu was like once.

SpaceNoodle,

Ding ding ding

I’m a Linux veteran and just slapped Mint on my Surface because I want something that just works before I start tinkering.

rudyharrelson,
@rudyharrelson@kbin.social avatar

Agreed. I was recently prepping a laptop to give to my mom, and planned to put Ubuntu on it since, y'know, it's "linux for human beings". I hadn't used Ubuntu Desktop in years, and was blown away by how unintuitive everything felt in the GUI. nothing behaved how I expected (this isn't to say it is inherently bad; this is just my experience).

Tried Linux Mint XFCE instead and was instantly relieved that it was a similar user experience to Windows (since that's typically going to make things easier for beginners).

It's also my go-to distro if I have a machine lying around that's in-between tasks and just needs a general-purpose OS for the moment.

sebinspace,

There was hype? Just use it, or don’t, who gives a fuck

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

Its insanely popular on distrowatch. I also don’t know why

SpaceNoodle,

It’s what Ubuntu once strove to be.

Ooops,
@Ooops@kbin.social avatar

Distrowatch's source for popularity is how often the different distros are clicked on on their own homepage... which has the toplist featured prominantly on the start page.

So their ranking completely and utterly worthless, as it's prone to manipulation and once you basically pushed your distro to the high spots it's guaranteed to stay there as a rarely used but highly rated distro is of course attracting more clicks from people wanting to know what it's actually about... see: MX Linux being on their #1 spot forever.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Its insanely popular on distrowatch. I also don’t know why

Distrowatch counts clicks on Distrowatch. People using methods like setting the distro page as new tab page or perhaps even use scripts to boost awareness of obscure distributions is a regular occurrence. Nobody can seriously tell me that PCLinuxOS having been on the top of the DW charts for a long time (it’s still ahead of Kubuntu, Genoo, and RHEL) is because of how freaking popular that thing is. I’m also very doubtful of the current popularity of MX Linux over there. No way on earth is that seriously 2.5 times more popular than Ubuntu.

EfreetSK,
@EfreetSK@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I’m with you. In my case I can’t get around the cinamon gui which … reminds me of Windows 98, sorry :(

(yes, I know, calm down, I know I can install whichever interface I want but from my experience it just causes problems and at that point I might aswell just switch the distro)

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

Option: Mint KDE and Mint xfce. It isn’t only Cinnamon

xylogx,

It has all the goodness of Ubuntu without the noise. A common sense UI with solid default options and great customizability.

I have tried a lot of different distros and Mint is the one I keep coming back to. I run it on my daily driver laptop, my gaming rig and my media center in the living room with MythTV. Could not be happier.

demystify, in Linux mint = best beginner distro

Can you opt out of snap on Ubuntu? I’ve heard some system and essential apps use it, so it might break stuff if you do

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Can you opt out of snap on Ubuntu?

For now. I’m 100% convinced Ubuntu will move to a fully Snap model leading up to 26.04, basically making Ubuntu Core the mainstream version.

Silejonu,
@Silejonu@kbin.social avatar

If you're basically recreating Linux Mint from scratch, yes.

Linux can be heavily modified, and removing Snap from Ubuntu is no exception. But it's an involved process.

Artyom,

And you will have to install many widely used apps like Firefox manually via a PPA or compiling from source.

haych, in Linux mint = best beginner distro

Let me raise you: Pop!_OS

RmDebArc_5,
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

Maybe they changed it, but when I tried it they didn’t setup a boot loader by default

PeWu,

During install that fucked me up. I found out I only could boot pop os only when booting win 10 bootloader. After bricking distro, moved on to mint.

histic, (edited )

they definitely have every time I’ve installed it you may have just hit install to partition instead of erase drive or something by accident

TimeSquirrel, in Linux mint = best beginner distro
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

And both of them are just remixes of Debian. So why not just use the base distro for all of them?

OddFed,
@OddFed@feddit.de avatar

Yeah or compile from source?

TimeSquirrel,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

Whoa there, Satan.

Magister,
@Magister@lemmy.world avatar

or better, MX Linux !

merci3,

I think they should improve their website download page, and have an easier installer before I can recommend it as a first distro to someone. But that’s just my opinion. Some people even get Arch as their first distro, so…

soupcat,

I’m brand new to linux and was just trying to install something on a partition and I couldn’t figure out how to do it with either fedora or mint, they kept giving me errors and asking about mount points and stuff I didn’t understand. Then I tried EndeavourOS and the install was so painless, it just asked for the partition and did the rest for me. It also worked with my wifi card out of the box as an added bonus. By far the easiest experience so far. The little bit of googling I had to do to figure out how to use pacman and yay was not a big deal compared to actually getting started with Linux.

This might not count as Arch, but that’s my experience at least.

merci3,

Yeah, every experience is valid! I was just stating my opinion about the general state of Linux installers, but the experience varies alot from person to person. Glad you made it to Linux tho 😄

soupcat,

Haha, yeah, that’s the beauty of how easy it is to just make some installation media and try them out. Certainly wasn’t meaning to come off as argumentative, sorry if I did!

merci3,

Oh, I didn’t mean to oppose your post or anything! My bad 😅, Just tried to point some things out.

soupcat,

haha, no not at all!

EuroNutellaMan,
@EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world avatar

Debian is not a good distro for the tech illiterate. The point of Linux Mint is to be a good entry point for people to Linux, some will stick to it and that’s fair cause it’s a good distro, some may move past it. Debian isn’t very friendly to noobs. Ubuntu is just garbage, I’d love it to be good but snaps are just that awful.

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

I stuck with it because it worked and I could do all my electronics, software, 3dp development. It’s kind of nice to mostly forget about the OS and just get projects done.

MigratingtoLemmy, in Text editor war

I’d probably use helix/codium with vim bindings for more complex projects, with vim for Scripting in python/shell/config files

auf,

Finally, a helix user 🤝

MigratingtoLemmy,

TBH I haven’t used helix extensively, but I do like that I can just expect things like auto-complete and linting to work, which I would usually expect from something like vscodium, but that’s not cli. So yes, helix is nice. I’m just a bit afraid that I’ll forget my vim bindings because helix does things a little differently: wd instead of dw

Rekonok, in Distros bad
@Rekonok@sh.itjust.works avatar

Burning your hands once and start using Manjaro…

MonkderZweite, (edited ) in Distros bad

And the cold-brew cask i use for hot coffee, let it there for a day?

Btw, i use Artix & Void.

Jorgelino, in alias 2024='echo "YEAR OF THE DESKTOP"'

Lose*

h3ndrik, in alias 2024='echo "YEAR OF THE DESKTOP"'

What’s the pun?

auf, in alias 2024='echo "YEAR OF THE DESKTOP"'

People with money will buy redhat idk

ipsirc, in ***buntu
@ipsirc@lemmy.ml avatar

…and be userfriendly and must be lightweight on my brand new 32core ryzen.

Bishma, in Text editor war
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

dgg:wq

ziggurat,

Why did you do that! I deleted my whole file! It was important

Bishma,
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I left the G off the beginning as a guardrail.

ColdWater, in Useless messenger
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

And I still using email

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

very unsecure mostly

smeg, in I am THIS close to joining the Chromium monopoly gang

You could definitely have raised a bug report in the time it took you to make this

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I cannot even determine the culprit, to whom am I supposed to file a bug report?

jbk,

At bugzilla.mozilla.org maybe? Or just look up “firefox report bug” online, I guess

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I don’t know if Firefox is at fault. It could be Firedragon (the fork I’m using), it could be any of the desktop portals messing things up (looking at you, xdg-desktop-portal-gtk), it could be Arch Linux due to how packagers package each portal, it could be that I stepped on a landmine by switching from Sway to Hyprland - this is when the problem first occurred.

Firedragon’s (and the Firefox flatpak’s) output doesn’t say anything, nothing stands out in their logs, same goes for both Sway and Hyprland - for all I know XDG portals don’t even have standalone logs, they just dump error messages to stdout in my experience (which, again, have not been dumped).

I could send bug reports to everyone, and get told “this isn’t our problem, write a bug report to ${OTHER_SOFTWARE}”. But then, which logs do I provide? All of them? Sure, I can gather up logs and non-existent messages from several pieces of software, one of them being a glorified API.

It would have taken me a good hour to find the relevant data, find the correct places to write reports to, word things in a quasi-professional manner, all for a small chance for any of the developers of something to answer something that is not a variation of “can’t help you bro, your logs are anorexic”.

So, after reminiscing the days of writing Windows registry keys and seeing no results (by writing XDP hints all over the system AND rebooting), I took 10 minutes to vent and make a meme - NoScript was intefering with imgflip, otherwise I would have needed 3.

I could not, in fact, definitely have raised a bug report in the time it took me to make this.

FangedWyvern42,
@FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

Firedragon is a fork of Librewolf (which is a fork of Firefox), not Firefox. It’s not Firefox at fault.

Sonotsugipaa, (edited )
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Case in point

(although Firefox (the Firefox Firefox) also refused to work)

Rednax,

The peak linux experience.

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Odd, that’s exactely what my friends tell me when I’m playing BG3 and a bug causes me to get stuck in dialogue (in a Windows 10 VM)

Voyajer,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

Why in a VM?

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Because I’m not installing that thing on bare metal

nogrub,

does bg3 not run on proton ?

wingsfortheirsmiles,

Idk whether Proton or natively but no issues at all running it on Pop

Sonotsugipaa, (edited )
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It does, but the Steam DRM bypassing thing that I’m being peer-pressured into using does not

(not that I’m against buying good games like BG3, it’s just that I’m not going to spend 70€ on a game that is just not my type (plus, there’s peer pressure going on here))

paraphrand,

I hate not knowing if my bug report is valid.

PlatinumSf,

Perhaps an invalid opinion, but a bug report that falls outside of scope because of lack of detail or lack of reproduction is still a valid bug report for metrics and general user experience imo. Could lead to interoperability efforts, user experience recommendations, user education utilities, or a bug getting patched but the end result is always the same: a better experience for the end user.

jbk,

In that case you could maybe see if it works correctly for you in firefox installed via flatpak from flathub. Those are official builds and bug reports on them should go to Mozilla directly.

It could be related to hyprland though. I think I read somewhere that one of those lightweight WMs (or whatever it really is idk sry lol) doesn’t ship a portals config file for x-d-p to exactly know which exact implementation to use. Maybe arch doesn’t have that issue though

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’ve read through all the possible bug reports and forum help requests, and used the flatpak Firefox at every point I tried a solution.

In the end I managed to solve the problem, though I’m sure it’ll pop back out at some point.

nullpotential,
@nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I stepped on a landmine by switching from Sway to Hyprland

That’s 100% what it is. Changing desktop environments has almost always led to issues in my experience. If you want to use a different DE, make a new user account or reinstall the distro.

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It turned out not to be the problem, I just incidentally changed other stuff while doing it

cm0002,

Careful, the FF community here hates it when you point out faults in their “perfect” browser

Redjard,
@Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I disagree.
Some months ago I had weird behavior with compose sequences, I went on the ff c, made a post on it, and there was a fruitfull discussion leading to pinning it on gtk doing compose sequences weirdly. No hate was experienced.

Flaky,
@Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

I’ve noticed what that person is saying outside of the Firefox community, the evangelism and all, and then criticism of Firefox and more specifically Mozilla’s actions in the Firefox community. Case in point, someone laying down the issues with the upcoming Fakespot integration.

lntl,

gecko good, blink bad

smeg,

Everyone involved, worst case they just close them

Sonotsugipaa, (edited )
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

As I said in another other comment to someone else, there is a quite noticeable difference in effort between typing sentences on imgflip and hunting bugs.

ChaoticNeutralCzech,

Well, you’ve determined a major part of what’s causing it. There is not much more to add, just submit what you have.

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The only thing I can correctly report is that the termfilechooser portal causes something to die somewhere at some point - it never even worked in the first place.

It’s above my 0$/h paygrade at this point

nogrub,

“works on my machine” closes bugreport

Octopus1348,

root

nogrub,

sudo bugreport “plz fix”

indepndnt,

This incident has been logged.

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Great, I can use that to report the error to every single contributor and packager of my 1802 installed packages!

lntl,

this is so much better though

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