It might not fuck over people as bad as their abandoning XP did, but its still really fucking shitty that they abandon OS’s like this.
Simply because it means people who have games they used to be able to play on old machines, now cant get those games anymore, cause the service itself wont run on it on those machines.
They should at least fork off a special legacy version that lets people download their old games on their original platforms.
but they dont want to do that, not because of supporting it, because they dont want people to remember how sleek, slim, and fast steam used to be.
because there are games that people fucking own that don’t run on newer platforms, that they should still be allowed to fucking play and not have defacto taken away from them?
How is that hard to understand?
I swear to god the absolute short sightedness of gamers. If this prevented you from playing one of your games you’d be here spewing shit and fire and brimstone over it.
“how dare you call me out for defending the corporation when all i’m doing is viciously trying to attack you and shift the blame to you for your mild criticism of them!”
Expecting Valve to support an operating system that the creator of the OS doesn’t even support isn’t tenable. How much longer should Valve be forced to support Windows XP by that logic?
Valve sold games on steam that only run on XP via its digital download service
It should support XP with a legacy downloader for as long as people want to play their XP games on XP.
This shouldnt even be a controversial opinion, Y’all are whats wrong with modern gaming and why its become such a festering cesspit of microtransactions and theft.
Don’t LEASE digital games on a DRM platform then be surprised when it doesn’t work forever on outdated software that isn’t even supported by the original creator.
No one owns these games and pretending you do is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
You’re the one trying to keep Windows 7 alive and commercially viable.
And if you want to really get off topic to “original hardware/software”, I’m a big advocate for FPGA replacing original hardware for most users. The MiSTer and similar projects are real preservation and very much not “corpo dick sucking”.
“I’m not corpo dick sucking, now why don’t you go buy a 500+ dollar device from one of the companies selling it instead of doing your filthy peasant retrogaming”
The DE-10 nano is sold by Intel typically at a loss to assist with educational endeavors. The retro gaming community just kind of adopted the platform due to its cheap nature.
I think the MiSTer is the exact opposite of what you’re saying. It’s a corporation essentially subsidizing video game preservation for a period of time.
MiSTer is also open source software and hardware.
Again, you’re the one buying digital games on steam and calling others corporate dick suckers. You’re the one funding it without paying basic attention.
I’d rather blame the customer who keeps buying from the corporation but claims some moral high ground over the company.
Put your money where your mouth is. This isn’t the first time Steam has dropped support for an Operating System and you’re acting like this is some new revelation.
If you’re so against what these corporations are doing, stop giving them so much money. I’m not sure how much more you can glaze a company than you already have with your wallet.
All the blame should be on the customers, We should never try to hold the blessed companies accountable or criticize them in any way for their behavior, because it is the filthy customers fault for it all.
afterall, the customers just downright refuse to use their future sight to avoid problems, so they deserve it.
Yes yes, it’s all the companies fault even when the customer refuses to read the terms of service or acknowledge the company’s history of similar moves.
If you really cared, there are other platforms you could be using.
Anything to avoid personal responsibility.
Your comments read like someone who eats at McDonald’s and then blames them for being overweight.
Your comments read like someone who eats at McDonald’s and then blames them for being overweight.
Thats literally what you’re doing in this entire thread. “Customer should have known the coffee was hot and should have been more careful” is your entire argument.
Your ability to twist comments to fit your narrative in your own head are hilarious.
Steam leases digital games with a shitty Term of Service and the ability to change their agreements at any time. You’re the one blindly consuming then getting upset at the natural consequences.
Take some personal accountability for once.
I bet you’ll still be buying on Steam this time next year.
Your ability to twist comments to fit your narrative in your own head are hilarious.
Uh huh.
Steam leases digital games with a shitty Term of Service and the ability to change their agreements at any time. You’re the one blindly consuming then getting upset at the natural consequences.
And now we’re back to the same old “You should have known the coffee was hot, its your fault for being careless and getting burned” arguments.
Take some personal accountability for once.
Accountability for me, but not accountability for billion dollar businesses, Right?
You didn’t stop buying games when they killed XP support. They announced at the begining of this year (at least by March 2023) that they were dropping windows 7 support and you still kept buying.
Why do you keep doing the same thing but expecting a different outcome?
Stop spending money at places you claim are anti consumer. You are the problem. You. There are other companies you could support but you want to keep funding Steam while crying victim.
All this because I said valve should have a legacy downloader so people can still play the things they bought that dont work on modern OS’s.
Something that would cost valve, a multibillion dollar company, almost nothing in the grand scheme of things.
But apparently caused so much offense, that you’ve sat here clawing your hair out at the sheer audaciousness the comment.
You really need to go outside and take a few calming breaths and realize how fucked up it is that you are this defensive over criticism of a company that doesnt give a single shit about you.
Yes yes, a legacy downloader that doesnt effect you, is such an egregious and evil thing and totally deserving of this crazy, borderline mental illness reaction you’ve sustained.
And now we’re to the point where you keep repeating the same arguments and demanding the same answers, in an attempt to make the other person walk away so you claim a pathetic “win” and strut around like a high street cock.
I’ve been on the internet a long time, friend. Your tactics are not clever, or new.
I haven’t asked why you wouldn’t upgrade before, nor about the broken compatibility features included with Windows.
Direct your anger at the company causing your issues (Microsoft), not the one that hurt you because you couldn’t figure out hardware acceleration with remote play.
Upgrade your windows install to a supported version and then use the mods to make the game work. Then you’ll have windows 8 or 10 or 11 and a working game.
You’ve already tried that tactic, too, and I provided several links the last time you tried it.
If youre memory is this bad, and you are this prone to irrational anger, I strongly suggest you get someone you can trust to take you to the ER immediately for an evaluation, Your health matters.
You’re buying a license which is subject to conditions decided upon by the developer, publisher, platform, and others. If you want to own a copy of the game, don’t buy it on Steam.
Downvote all you want, reality isn’t changing to match your feelings. Stop supporting DRM or quit bitching while simultaneously strengthening the system you are choosing to ignore.
I’m pretty sure that this is because steam uses chromium as its backend and chromium new version doesn’t run on windows 7. It’s still not good because there are some games that won’t run on newer systems and therefore 7 is required for preservation.
As many of you pointed out, yes I agree proton is the answer if possible. YMMV
This change is required as core features in Steam rely on an embedded version of Google Chrome, which no longer functions on older versions of Windows. In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above.
I’m actually looking into buying a new laptop and seriously considering choosing some Linux distro as my new OS (I’ve always used Windows before, and Mac once for work)
How do y’all recommend which laptop I should choose?
Whatever you do, pick one that ships with Linux or is at least explicitly marked as compatible.
You do not want the headache of having a laptop with this one component that genuinely doesn’t work properly. Most will work, but for example fingerprint scanners are a very touchy subject. My freakin battery is not properly recognized by anything that isn’t Windows. It’s stupid, some just don’t care about existing, well defined, open standards.
Personally I’d go with a Framework laptop. Otherwise Tuxedo or System76 might have something you like.
Tuxedo is great. Beautiful devices. I’ve been asked about this ramdomly 2-3 times by people along the lines of “wow, that’s a nice laptop, where did you get that?”. Component upgrades also at decent prices.
Linux compatibility though… Good, if you use one of their preinstalled/supported options, but can be a pain otherwise. I installed debian and still haven’t figured out all problems with sleep/hibernation mode. The tool they offer is some bloaty node js crap that doesn’t work well.
Other than that, I think if you buy any laptop that is maybe 2 years old you should be good. Best way to check is maybe to Google the model + Linux and see how others experienced it.
I just preordered a Framework 16 inch because their concept is amazing and early reviews are pretty good. It’s a laptop where every part is replaceable and upgradable. You can replace/upgrade the motherboard/CPU, RAM, NVMe storage, keyboard, display, etc. all yourself, and they sell the parts separately. Even the ports on the sides are swappable - you can choose to make them all USB-C ports, or make any of them USB-A, 3.5mm audio, 2.5Gbps Ethernet, DisplayPort, HDMI, MicroSD reader, etc.
They have a 13 inch version that’s already shipping today… The 16 inch is a preorder to ship Q2 2024. Their newer ones use an AMD CPU and AMD graphics which should work better on Linux than Nvidia graphics.
More expensive than a regular laptop company though… They don’t have the scale that Dell, Lenovo, etc have so parts are more expensive for them (plus large R&D costs).
I’ve been using MainGear laptops for about 15 years now. It’ll come with Windows and I’ve either dual booted or just wiped it to install Linux everytime. Great prices for what you get hardware wise. My first laptop I bought from them is still running and in use. Never had an issue with Linux running the hardware. But prior to them almost every laptop I had I had issues all from the bigger makers.
I strongly reccomend Zorin OS. I was in his exact shoes when I decided to switch to Linux and for very similar reasons. It feels pretty similar to Windows 7 IMHO, and I like its default dynamic background that changes throughout the day. Steam games run great on it btw.
The other reason I reccomend Zorin is that it is aimed at windows users and Mac users. There’s an “app store” that is in fact a software manager, most windows apps run pretty well (although I reccomend using Bottles for that) and the layout is designed to feel similar to Windows. All the fun Linux stuff is still right there for you to use, it’s just slightly out of sight so it doesn’t overwhelm you at the beginning.
I have the throw my opinion in here, I recommend Debian. Ubuntu is based off of it, as is most of the other distros people are recommending. With AMD processor and GPU, Debian has been my best OS experience to date. No bloat, recent kernel, and stable as hell. Only advantage of Ubuntu is the plethora of tutorials and guides written for it, but most of those will work with bookworm if you use Ubuntu jammy repos and guides.
I beg to differ. The no bloat might simply turn out as an issue when they have an Nvidia Card or try to install drivers for it. Additionally the installer is not very intuitive. (And Ubuntu has other Problems where why not just use Mint which has so many UX und GUI Features from windows, it even prompts you to install drivers using an simple GUI application)
Like others already mentioned, I would suggest Linux Mint as well. It’s better Ubuntu than Ubuntu and similarity to Windows UI would make his transition much better.
Seconded. Switched my wife to Mint two years ago, and she never cared about going back to Windows. Not that she cares about Mint, either; the point of contention was the transition, which was much smoother than she was afraid of.
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