Because snaps are terrible. They constantly break parts of apps for no reason. If you have container issues with a flatpak, just use flatseal to punch a hole through the container. With snaps, people will tell you to install the non-snap version because that’s easier than beating snap into submission. I learned that the hard way when I had a university project with kubernetes and docker was installed as a snap. I spent way too much time trying to make it work at all before giving up and switching to a VM on my work laptop where it went surprisingly smooth without snaps.
Flatpaks are better in every way and since this isn’t about money, we should all just move on and use the best tool for the job.
But what does canonical think should happen when you run sudo apt install firefox and press Y? That’s right, you now have firefox as a snap. Have fun waiting for 5 seconds every time you start it.
Shit like that scares new users away from linux as a whole.
I wish eventually it’d become the he facto version. But Debian is so slow to update. Apparently kids these days get anxious if they don’t have a system update every other hour and they buy new hardware every weekend. So Debian is too old school to be useful to them.
I'm curious what do people here consider "old" since that's the top complaint about Debian? It's never more than a year or two behind "bleeding edge" distros. When I think "old", I'm thinking 10, 15 years ago. That's considered "old" in the Windows world, but I guess that's super ancient geological history in the Linux world.
@TimeSquirrel@RmDebArc_5@nottheengineer@SomeBoyo@dustyData For gaming one year is old, you want the latest drivers in order to achieve maximum performance ( * or at least increase your chances to ).
For office or media consumption maybe one year isn't old at all.
@TimeSquirrel@RmDebArc_5@nottheengineer@SomeBoyo@dustyData Imo gaming is the only reason to use bleeding edge distros. Otherwise is risky, your system could break with every update.
Even though I said that I also use Arch for uni stuff, but I have everything backed on my own server and in the case of system failure I can simply reinstall arch and mount my network drive again
Nevermind “maximum performance”, back when Elden Ring came out I needed a fresh version of mesa to get it to run at all. That was on Ubuntu, but I doubt Debian would have been any better. At least it was an easy fix to get fresher mesa from a PPA.
Ubuntu is a product of Canonical which are a pretty evil corporation and a submarine of Microsoft. What they don’t leech off Debian is proprietay and lock-in.
As a commercial OS, it’s fine. LTS releases, great headless experience, and dependency graph that is progressive but not as frozen in time as RedHat.
As an end-user OS, the dizzying number of ways to get usable apps into the GUI cut deep against advanced users. Especially when advanced use cases smash into incompatibilities and easy-to-make mistakes that break stuff. But if you’re willing to rock a lot of defaults and just slap things together from the package manager, it works okay.
Not too deep in that conversation but afaik it’s a series of choices that just continuously make Ubuntu less usable.
from what I “know” it seems to be mostly:
the baffling decision to keep riding the dead Snap train instead of the now widespread Flatpak one.
some drama around them switching from Gnome 2 -> Own Desktop -> Gnome 3 and related decisions, not sure what the problems there were but apparently a lot of people didn’t like it.
some stuff about telemetry, not sure how relevant this is currently but I heard some people complain about it.
Again, not really sure that’s it but it’s what I recall hearing here and there.
What distro would you suggest? I abandoned windows 10 for Ubuntu but it didn’t grew on me. I know Linux Mint is friendlier but I thought giving Ubuntu a try
Depends on your use case honestly. Do you play a lot of games? If so I would recommend against stable distros like Mint. Without knowing more I’d probably say:
Mostly Browsing or Work in Office Editors: Linux Mint or Kubuntu since Updates are stable and generally don’t break anything.
A lot of gaming: Arch via Archinstall or ArcoLinux (ArcoLinux is imo a bit more confusing while getting the image file, after it is superior to ArchInstall for newbies because the installer is a bit more familiar) since you’ll benefit from a shortened update cycle. The drawback here is that occasionally (or often depending on what you install) updates break things.
Edit: Also a general recommendation: Stick to Windows-like Desktops for the beginning, these are (to my knowledge) XFCE and more prominently KDE Plasma. It will save you the additional task of getting used to your desktop environment while you get familiar with how Linux “works” as your main OS.
I played around with Kali(I know I know) and raspberry pi for a bit and I got the hang of it a bit. Think I’ll go with Mint on one drive for school and such and on the other drive Arch for gaming. Thank you for your time.
Think I’ll go with Mint on one drive for school and such and on the other drive Arch for gaming
Nothing exactly wrong with that but I don’t think you’ll need the extra layer of separation. Most Apps on Mint should be available Arch as well and run generally as Bug free as on Mint (Edit: a “graphical” representation of what level of Bugginess you can expect: Many Bugs > Some Bugs > Few Bugs > Windows 10 (personal experience) > Arch Linux > Almost no Bugs > Linux Mint > No Bugs). Not splitting the OS would save you some hassle (for example after school work is done you can start gaming faster as well as simpler disk partitioning) on the other hand depending on yourself it might offer advantages (can’t get as easily distracted from schoolwork with games if you have to reboot the PC for it)
I know that you apps are available across distributions but I wanted to use a stable distro for school that I trust not to brake and another one where I can experience and customize without worrying to much about breaking it.
as I said nothing wrong with it, just wanted to add some info in case the decision was made based on some misunderstanding. If you think that’s the best fit for you go for it
Debian sid is just as fresh and a (nearly) rolling release distribution. I game on it with Wine, Cyperpunk, X4, Baldur’s Gate and others are no problem.
I’ve run Linux for years on servers and in VMs in VMware Workstation, but not my main OS because of games. I’ve tried before but games just didn’t work well. Tried again recently and the games I’m playing now worked with no issues with Lutris and Steam. I could already do “everything else” on Linux so this is the longest I’ve gone without booting back to my Windows disk. Already have a Kali VM in virt-manager and will add a Windows VM if I hit an application snag. But so far haven’t had any app issues. If this continues I’ll be wiping the Windows disk to make more space for Linux.
Yes because Valve maintains their own compositor. You can enable that HDR support on desktop as well through some workarounds but it’s not really usable outside the SteamDeck yet.
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