I’m not a linux power user but have some servers running on linux and honestly wouldn’t change it with anything else, as everything runs smooth and maintainance is easy and straight forward. Even if something gets fucked there is a great online community which helped me out everytime.
That said, and sorry for the long introduction:
I read a lot systemd memes in the last weeks: What is the problem with it and why is it trending now?
Sysinit was basically one file where you tell a process what to do, start, reload, stop. Systems is way way more complicated and according to some, prone to breaking.
It’s funny, after your first sentence, I thought “yeah, that’s exactly the problem. Copy&paste fragile shell code for managing processes instead of standardized lifecycle management”. Then your second sentence painted that horrible mess as “less complicated”
Nothing new. Nothing recent. Just people being scared of something because they don’t know how it works or because it’s relatively new.
Major distros have started adopting it in recent years. It’s one of many ways for a distro to manage which services are running. Many of the others are essentially a hodgepodge of shell scripts.
systemd provides a lot of flexibility with service dependencies and logging, amount other things. It has a standard way to have user-scoped services. It’s standardizes filtering logs for specific services.
basicly people complaining about what they don’t understand, that it don’t follow unix philosophy, when that philosophy was created 50 years ago, any way,etc, if systemd wasn’t good anyone could have adopted it, and everyone did, beause it easier, it’s faster and it work
I’m neither a systemd fan nor a hater, but in my experience not even enterprise linux distributors can get it to work correctly all the time. That tells me that maybe it is too complicated.
I’m sure the Gentoo crowd will refute this in a day or two when they’re finished compiling and can read it.
Edit: bro, a 2001 era Thinkpad is going to take like a month to finish building everything. You can probably cross build that system faster on your phone.
Yes it would be faster but it’s my first go at Gentoo for the base install I want to stick to the handbook. As soon as the base install is done I will see how to make my good Debian machine compile the packages for the IBM. Besides, I have time.
I was really hoping this would be American Sign Language linux. All you’d need to do is develop a writing system with hand shape, face shape, location, and motion characters then build an entire operating system around it…
Back in the day, around 2005 or 2006 I did that and I had browse the internet in a text based browser for 2 days because KDE on that old machine took two days to compile.
It depends on the site, back then there were a lot of table-layouts which were quite fucked up in the text-only browser. Nowadays there are non of them which is good, but nowadays there are JavaScript only websites which don’t really work well. You can install a text only browser and try it out yourself.
I exhaled from my nose, but at the end this joke doesn’t seem fair.
I’ve been running Artix for years, because I wanted to try it out for fun and now am too lazy to switch, cause most things just work. I update weekly just fine and sometimes I have to write an init file for openrc.
The biggest pain point was when I was trying to debug an issue which crashed KDE and realised that there is no journalctl ofc.
Like with most technology, init should be based on use-case.
Some setups are not made for quick reboots and that’s ok. When all your container does is run ddclient you might find that even cron can work just as well as systemd.timers
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