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columbus, in Two moods

Use Debian or anything stable.

olutukko,

Why? Bleeding edge has newer packages which are often needed when trying to play some new game. That’s why steam OS is now arch based when it used to be debian based. Too old packages

superbirra,

no

olutukko,

Ok thanks for the valuable input. I understood so much from this reply

superbirra,

not that I see any value in explaining anything…

olutukko,

But you saw value in replying?

superbirra,

what do you think?

TheTrueColonel,

Yes

superbirra,

indeed!

ryannathans,

Then enjoy not having your games work until you get the required updates years later

superbirra,

lol, no

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

anything stable

RHEL it is

CosmicCleric, (edited ) in Two moods
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Aren’t we all tired of this meme by now? Especially in this new age of Steam deck?

Seems a bit like trolling at this point.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Anti cheat is the biggest obstacle now, can’t overcome that and if you and your friends enjoy playing together on a game that doesn’t support it then you’re SoL. Unfortunately only 75% or so of the games my friend group plays are compatible.

CosmicCleric, (edited )
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Anti cheat is the biggest obstacle now, can’t overcome that and if you and your friends enjoy playing together on a game that doesn’t support it then you’re SoL.

The EAS anti-cheat is on Linux now too, so the small minority of games that require anti-cheat tech on Linux is getting even smaller; it’s heading in the right direction.

But my point is more towards the fact that we’re trying to apply memes to cover 100% of something when it’s really covering 1% of something.

It gets tiring/trolling after a while, especially with it’s repetitiveness.

BlanK0, in Two moods

Windows virtual machine as a backup if needed 👍

alice_mac,

How is your performance on windows VM? Also specs for reference would be amazing!

BlanK0,

I havent gamed on it yet but it is pretty responsive. My specs are nvidia geforce rtx3060 and amd ryzen 7. Also i am using KVM as the hypervisor since it is type 1 which means better performance and safety overall.

alice_mac, (edited )

That’s a sweet setup, I’d like to know about the gaming performance when you finally get a chance!

Hopefully you get near bare metal performance, do you do something like limit over processes or provision extra resources when you load the VM?

BlanK0, (edited )

In regards to the VM, you can alucate as much ram and cpu power to it to make it performe better if needed (when setting up and you can also adjust it afterwards, at least in virtmanager (KVM) ). And there is an aspect I haven’t really touched but heard that it improved performance which is gpu passthrough.

(I dont really limit processes and stuff, just simple alucation and configuration)

In case you are interested in setting up KVM, I am going to leave a video for you to watch, also I have found the gpu passthrough video if you are interested as well

scrub, in Two moods

Same thing for me on Windows. Technology is just angering.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Now you mention it, I have spend so many hours on Windows trying to get the damn game to work. Trying to hide run Windows games on Linux, if it doesn’t work immedietly and I can’t find easy tweaks to fix it then I just assume it doesn’t work on Linux. But when a Windows game doesn’t work on Windows, I will spent hours making it work because I know it should!

Kedly, in Two moods

Is this true anymore with Steams Version of Linux? For the most part shit runs fine on my steam deck

azvasKvklenko,

Shit’s exactly the same, especially with Gamescope

And009,

Maybe if I install Mexican or Indian food the night before… Shit’ll change

wreckage, (edited )

That used to be true a few years ago, but now games just works without any tinkering from my experience. Except some online games due to kernel level anti cheats (like Fortnite and Valorant), but I prefer single player games anyway

h3rm17,

And some day 1 games lile starfield.

wreckage, (edited )

Makes sense. I only pay for games when they get discounted, so I didn’t know

Kedly,

Yeah I’ve never been big on competitive multiplayer, my Halo days were mostly campaign and due to thats what my friends were playing. So linux being blocked by competitive games is a non issue for me as well

EndHD, in Two moods

can i get the meme template?

ArcaneGadget,

Just download the image, put it into Paint, select the right half with the selection tool and press delete. Hey presto!

olutukko,

You mean gimp right? Pretty risky move to mention paint in linux memes

ArcaneGadget,

Huh. Good point. Paint is so ambiguous to me that I didn’t even think about that. Kinda plays into the meme as well, funnily enough.

SamLeeway, in Two moods
@SamLeeway@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Hits me right in the kokoro, this is so relatable

brejela, in Two moods

The only things I can’t play on linux are games with heavy kernel-injected anti-cheats and racing games (AC and BNG). Everything else “just works”. Hell, I even managed to get Overcooked’s cross-platform version to work.

asexualchangeling,

Obligatory areweanticheatyet.com/

ryannathans,

And protondb.com

tslnox,

If by AC you mean Assetto Corsa, it works, you just have to follow a guide (it’s easy, you have to remove the Proton data for the game from Steam, then install the older Proton version, run the game with this older version until it crashes, then switch to new version of Proton and run it again. It will install required dependencies and will run fine, even my old G25 steering wheel worked without problems)

Roflmasterbigpimp, (edited ) in Two moods
@Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

This is the thing which keeps me from switching entirely to Linux. A friend of mine needs twice the amount of Time to start his Games (which is something I would have no Problem with) and what makes it not worth switching imo is that he loses the sound from Discord when he plays. He needs to restart DC then. And no one knows why ._.

tslnox,

My bet would be wine grabbing the audio device and not using Pipe wire/PulseAudio. It happened to me once, I believe I solved it by recompiling something (PipeWire, wine or the gst plugins). I would recommend trying to run Discord and the game in terminal, it might show some error to help with troubleshooting.

Roflmasterbigpimp,
@Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

I will happily forward this to him :D maybe it helps.

Rootiest, in Two moods
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

“ah shucks, Windows Update just initiated a reboot without asking, guess I’m out for the night guys”

nolight,

I hate Windows, but this has never happened neither to me nor my friends. (Granted I only have like 3 friends who use it regularly)

wreckage,

I think that only happens when you don’t use windows for many months, which might be true for Linux users

RisingSwell,

I had Windows 10 do it once over however many years i was using it (was a fairly early adopter), and Windows 11 has never done it.

Anyone who can easily use Linux can just make Windows not do that kind of shit, and not auto-update, and block the connection from basically all Windows processes.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

They’d prefer to learn nothing, blame the OS for not looking and operating exactly like Linux, and then claim it sucks not for the reasons it sucks but because they can’t be bothered to try.

asexualchangeling,

I switch to linux becouse I was having regular forced updates (that would then bluescreen, only to revert and try again a day later)

Rootiest,
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

It happened to me often!

Part of that I’m sure it’s the fact that I work nights, but Windows refuses to acknowledge that during my work hours is not an appropriate time to install updates.

Simply stepping away to get a coffee or use the restroom is enough for Windows to decide now is the time to reboot and install updates for an hour or so and you better hope you saved everything before stepping away.

As a matter of fact, one of those instances is the one where the update broke my bitlocker encryption and I lost everything that wasn’t backed up. That was my last day using Windows.

WalrusDragonOnABike,

Was it your personal computer or a company managed computer? Either way, when to automatically start updates is just a setting that’s easily set. As is the “pause updates for X weeks” so that you have more weeks to do an intentional reboot. There might be some major security patches they’ve forced through anyways? But I don’t think I’ve had any windows update issues since like 2017 or 2018.

Rootiest, (edited )
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

It was not managed, honestly I should’ve disabled bitlocker, I just never expected it to be a problem.

As to settings for when it installs updates, they didn’t seem to stick or were not always respected in my experience. I spent a bit of effort trying to make sure it wasn’t configured to do that but it would still just go for it anyway if the system ever became idle after midnight or so.

Anyway this story has a happy ending because after that I decided to give daily driving linux another shot, and none of the issues I had experienced previously still exist here.

In fact, incredibly enough I have found on average that the games I play perform better on Linux now than they did on Windows.

And my OS never installs updates without my permission, let alone forcing an unscheduled reboot.

Juigi,

This hasnt happened to me since vista days lol

ExLisper, in It's the beer, I knew it!

I don’t get it. The article says that hardware is 1974 was expensive but UNIX was cheap to develop. Linus developing Linux just confirms what they are saying. Is the joke that computers used to be expensive and now they are cheap?

kindernacht,

The joke is that a couple of drunk guys enduring an eternal winter came up with something better than silicon valley could.

Ilgaz,

It is still the same deal. Do you think high level suits can really understand the idea of GNU and Linux completely?

Some guy from a remote village in India can climb up to a hill for better reception and upload a couple of a hundred lines to the right place in right format and it could be accepted in Linux kernel which may eventually run in a IBM System Z monster with 40TB of RAM. That code may add 2x performance to a very crucial part. I think those blue suits simply ignore this fact to keep their corporate mind sanity. Seen old S360 photos? They really dress that way.

Btw, I didn’t stereotypically make up that Indian guy climbing story. I used his OS distribution rather than multi billion Chinese giant version since it was simply better. Hundreds of thousands did. The village he lived sometimes lost power too. Of course, he added more team members later.

ExLisper, (edited )

Not to argue about a joke but Linux was ‘better’ because it was free, not because it was technically better. By the time it got actually better than UNIX tons of people have worked on it, not just couple of drunk guys. I think someone just misread what the article says and missed the ‘not’ in ‘need not be expensive’. But if people find it funny it’s cool, it’s not for me to judge anyone’s sense of humour.

Ilgaz,

I think you should really ask around about product usage scenarios especially in Redhat/SUSE scenes. Linux is either same price or more expensive than Windows.

I think you say Minix was better but let me remind that it’s creator himself says it was created for a very different purpose and still does it well. Its version 3 runs whole Intel World so it may have even “won”

I worked in TV industry and I knew some very high end studios. The amazingly expensive software they use needs a very reliable system without any kind of vendor lock in. They choose RHEL or SUSE on tested, certified hardware. OS price is just a small detail, like coffee machine supplies.

I have worked with very high end Microsoft Windows servers too. Did you know that their browser default homepage is MSN, not about:blank and it actually triggered Flash ActiveX install? I begun to see Windows like abuse of Dave Cutler’s kernel. No less.

Tippon,

I think someone just misread what the article says and missed the ‘not’ in ‘need not be expensive’.

You’ve missed the second part of that sentence - ‘UNIX can run on hardware costing as little as $40,000’. The photo is the Finnish hacker making it work on a computer that cost a fraction of that, while drinking a beer. It’s a play on the hold my beer meme.

kindernacht,

Personally, it’s amusing at best. In the same way as the girl in Jurassic Park using “Unix” to hack the system.

That being said, I still give mad props for the development that occurred during that era.

Ilgaz,

UNIX was a small and inexpensive open source system and could create miracles for such a low price.

When Linus came into scene, UNIX was heavily fragmented, expensive, closed with some insane trickery to make sure nobody cross compiles anything on the “enemy UNIX” (rival). I don’t say go and read them but the size of auto tools should give a clue. It is one of the under rated inventions of GNU. Obviously BSD people have their own valid counter point too.

The only serious thing around was still Novell who begun to take UNIX serious right after Linux had a serious shape. I remember my company paid a Novell tech $2000 to restore the files from their SCSI. It wasn’t a rip off, that is what happens when you use a closed system. Who knows how much money Novell took for training. For the curious: They still didn’t buy a tape backup system.

We should just read first lines, check photo additionally remembering all those suits at IBM, Sun and MS and laugh. That is what meme is for. :-)

I also laugh whenever I see the quote of a open source developer with a cowboy hat in elevator of MS .

MS guy (with BillG tone): I am sorry but who are you? OSS guy: I am your worst nightmare!

Crack0n7uesday, in It's the beer, I knew it!

UNIX in Bell Labs back in the 70’s might need $40,000 worth of hardware, today you can get an old Raspberry Pie for like $50.

Ilgaz,

That $40K is way more than it seems and it is still cheap. To give an idea about the cutting edge hardware prices back in the day, see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_2250?wprov=sfla1

The price you are reading is correct, $2M today. That is what happens when you want 1024×1024 display and pointing device like that NSA spy girl.

I think one should compare it to an entry level AIX/Power system or HP/UX. Apple does still have certified UNIX OS too.

riodoro1, (edited )

That would be an expensive pie. I also don’t know how it’s going to help me with running unix.

The joke: The single board computer is called a Raspberry Pi

Scrollone,

$50??? The Zero model costs like 15 dollars

Crack0n7uesday, (edited )

I haven’t fucked with a Raspberry pie in a long time, lol, I was just making a point. I don’t think they come with any storage so you still have to get like a $20 USB drive.

Evkob,
@Evkob@lemmy.ca avatar

To be fair, Bell Labs’ 40,000$ computer probably didn’t come with any storage either.

Crack0n7uesday,

Those were the punch card days, storage was a lot different back then. Everything was running in the RAM, and rebooting took like a day to get everything running again.

rbits, in Two moods

Everyone in the comments: “Actually I don’t have the same problems so this is wrong”

asexualchangeling,

“I don’t have the same problems anymore so this is outdated”

Ftfy

rbits, (edited )

Still applies though. “Oh but it used to be worse”

asexualchangeling,

Obviously I can’t speak for everyone, but personally speaking I’ve had no issues playing the multiplayer games I play, which (in my particular situation) puts me above at least one of the windows users in my group

Installing things not through steam can take longer sometimes, but I always made sure to do that ahead of time anyway

rbits,

Yeah, I mean, the best thing to do is to get it working ahead of time.

asexualchangeling,

The same is true no matter the OS, It’s always good to be prepared ahead of time

Bondrewd, in It's the beer, I knew it!

Swedish*

FiskFisk33, (edited )

He was born in Helsinki. He is “Finlandssvensk” which doesn’t have a good translation in English, which is not the same thing as Swedish.

hemko,

I guess it’s Swedish-Finnish in English, if you apply the same logic as with African-American and other similar terma

ExLisper,

Oh my, now they are trying to Marie Curie Linus Torvalds.

Bondrewd,

??

ExLisper, (edited )

Marie Curie was Polish but the French pretty much convinced the whole world she was French.

Bondrewd,

Good thing Linus is Swedish. If you knew history and read the wiki, you would know about swedish rule of Finland and that a numerable swedish minority stayed in Finland over the centuries.

Since his father is in the “Swedish Peoples Party”, I will assume Finns casually use Swedish as a denomination for people who live in Finland but speak Swedish. I think he also talked about speaking Swedish at his home with his family.

Wow, lemmy goes to new lows every day. I cant understand why I have to feed this to you…

ExLisper,

You’re understanding of the concept of nationality seems very basic. There are many different minorities in different countries and sometimes they will identify solely as citizens of this minorities (like Russians in Latvia for example), sometimes they will identify as citizens of the country in which they were born and raised (like some minorities in USA) and sometimes both (like other minorities in USA). The fact that Linus speaks Swedish doesn’t mean anything and he doesn’t even hold Swedish citizenship AFAIK. He holds Finnish and American citizenships so unless you can show me his statements claiming he’s Swedish your arguments here are pointless.

TheyCallMeHacked,

Well then he’s neither: he’s American. He lives in Dunthorpe, Oregon and has been naturalised American. That’s all beyond the point: what people mean isn’t his official citizenship, but his ethnicity, his cultural background. And in that regard, he’s Swedish.

ExLisper, (edited )

It’s not for you to decide based on arbitrarily chosen data points. If Linus says he’s Finnish (another commenter said he does) then that’s it. Also, think how strange it is to insist that someone has one ethnicity or another. Categorizing people like that based on their genes or language is sooo previous century. Time to move on my friend, time to move on.

CbtB,

I’ve met him. He says he’s Finnish. He was born in Finland and attended school in Finland. He graduated from the University of Helsinki. He has since moved to the United States of America. So he’s a little bit American now.

ExLisper,

Yep, typical Marie Curie intent. I guess Swedes don’t have enough famous people.

hemko,

Well they have their famous king, Kalle Kaviar or something

FiskFisk33, (edited )

the knig <3

CbtB,

He says he’s a Finn. He was born in Finland. He lived in Finland until he emigrated to the USA.

Then you say he’s actually Swedish because he knows the language, his dad was from Sweden, and “Marie Curie”. Bizarre.

ExLisper,

What? You’re confused. I’m saying he’s a Finn. The other guy says he’s Swedish.

Onlytanner,

He speaks Swedish but otherwise is definitely a Finn.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds

KpntAutismus,

oh my god he’s born in the funny year

cygnus,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

June 9th 1420?

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s why he’s so good with his middle finger.

Bondrewd,

Apologies, Im sure his father entered the Swedish People’s party by accident.

nyctre,

Yes, that makes them swedish-speaking finns. Still finns tho

Rooskie91, in It's the beer, I knew it!

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