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AbsurdityAccelerator, in Completely untrue nowadays...

I swear my 3d printer is more reliable than my paper printer.

EvilHankVenture,

At least if my 3d printer breaks I can fix it.

SpikesOtherDog,

I am wondering why there is no open framework for laser printing.

There are a few parts that would have to be made out of sheet metal. The sides could be stamped for the same pattern. You then need a back and a cross section. One could theoretically make them from ABS, but ABS gets brittle with heat and the sides will shatter.

One side of the printer is dedicated to running an ARM SOC. I’m not sure if the Arduino is up to the task, but it will need to control 3 motors, initiate a heating sequence, start a rasterizing laser, interpret a print job, communicate over network and USB, and monitor a bunch of sensors.

The hardest parts will be obtaining print cartridges, rollers, and fusers. Designing a standard to run off a certain vendor’s hardware will be a pile of issues, and nobody will just start manufacturing hardware for a handful of hobbyist printers.

Everything else is 3d printing, springs, and screws.

taladar,

I am wondering why there is no open framework for laser printing.

Besides the reasons already mentioned most people who would be interested in bleeding edge tinkering probably have moved on from paper at this point.

SpikesOtherDog,

Good point. Most people hate printing anyway.

frezik, (edited )

2d printers need to be a lot more precise. 300dpi means each dot is placed with less than a tenth of a mm, and that’s not even particularly impressive for a 2d printer. 3d printers get away with a lot more slop than that.

That’s only talking about greyscale. Color requires precise alignment of the cartridges for at least 4 base colors (higher end photo printers have even more) , and the mix of those colors must be carefully controlled to get accurate output.

SpikesOtherDog,

Yeah, that is one of the big problems I was considering. Even monochrome at 300 DPI would be a problem. The imaging array and drum would need to be manufactured separately and installed as whole unit.

jas0n,

At least it only needs to be precise if the register is adjustable. You would need some tiny stepper motors right? I’m not familiar with how register is adjusted on desktop printers, but I know it can be.

GTG3000,

Well, cartridges, rollers, and fusers are the important bits that can’t easily be manufactured by hand. And that’s a big part of the price of the printer.

You can’t really make them cheaper than mass-manufacture, and laser printers are already almost bulletproof from my experience.

SpikesOtherDog,

You are right. I think I rubber-ducked myself to the same conclusion.

MonkderZweite,

cartridges

Bottles are simpler.

GTG3000,

For laser printing?

adhocfungus,

My cheap old 3D printer requires constant fiddling before and after every print, yet still fails probably half the time. I avoid printing things sometimes just because I don’t want to deal with it.

I would still agree with you 100%. I hate my HP printer so much.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

I too own an HP

Kolanaki, (edited )
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Let’s go back to stone tablets. Only instead of stone, it’s plastic and resin.

“Here’s my report.” Slaps what appears to be 100 fast food trays down on the desk

Winter8593, in Completely untrue nowadays...

Yeah I switched to LMDE a couple months ago and I plugged in my printer for the first time but long ago. I was worried it wouldn’t work at first but it started printing right away!

Siegfried, in Happy new year

My new year resolution is to use arch, btw

Happy new year

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

thanks you too

Artyom, (edited ) in Completely untrue nowadays...

That was the last thing that kept me dual booting. Eventually, I realized that my printer wasn’t worth using on any OS so I wasn’t losing anything by going all-in.

DannyBoy, in Completely untrue nowadays...

I had to start the scanner tool from the command line, I felt like a hacker but it did usually work on Linux.

Null, in Oh boy, goodie!
@Null@pawb.social avatar

Love this and now I’m expecting wallpapers for my xfce build.

LainOfTheWired, in Happy new year
@LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol avatar

Happy new year!

I’m looking at switching to 90% terminal applications this year.

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

yes wait for GUI in terminal

mvirts, in Completely untrue nowadays...

The printers are probably running Linux too.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Nope, *BSD… most of them.

Evil_Shrubbery, (edited ) in Oh boy, goodie!

I get it … but idk if I want Disney on my mind when thinking about xfce

puchaczyk, (edited ) in Completely untrue nowadays...

With cups it’s pretty much painless on linux form me, though some distros have a very restrictive firewall configuration out of the box, so you have to whitelist it before using. Not too complicated, but can be very frustrating for new users who never touched a firewall before.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

ufw ring a bell 😒… yeah, being uncomplicated doesn’t mean it’s not working.

digger, in Oh boy, goodie!
@digger@lemmy.ca avatar

Show us the hands! Willie, in the public domain, doesn’t wear gloves. Mickey, still Disney IP, does wear gloves.

AlfredEinstein,

Mickey is ready for your prostate exam.

0x4E4F, (edited )
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣… got me laughing so hard i woke up my wife in bed 🤣

NightAuthor,

Did she enjoy the comment as much as you did?

0x4E4F, (edited )
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Of course not… weirdos never get satisfaction.

thisbenzingring,

It’s hard being a weirdo…

ADTJ,

Yet somehow the Steamboat Willie version seems more likely to give you said exam whether warranted or not

AlfredEinstein,

Dr. Steamboat Willie: “Take off your pants and put them on the chair with mine.”

circuitfarmer, (edited ) in Oh boy, goodie!
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I’ve heard an argument that a reason why Disney has pushed Steamboat Willie lately (new intro for Disney Animation films, and a lot of merch) is because copyright law works differently from trademark law. They can still claim a trademark even if the copyrighted work is in public domain. I’m not a lawyer, but if that’s not all BS, I don’t think we have to worry about anything like this anytime soon.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Meeh, it’s just a joke. It would be an aimmediate downer for me if I was a fisrt time xfce user.

DaBPunkt,
@DaBPunkt@lemmy.world avatar

AFAIK you can only claim a trademark-violation if someone is (for example) selling stuff (so you couldn’t sell stuffed animals that look like an early Mickey for example).

Ullallulloo,
@Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com avatar

A trademark just has to be “used in commerce as a mark”. In layman’s terms, that basically means distributing goods or services with it as a logo or a name. A stuffed animal could be infringement, but using something a logo for your software is much closer to the classic infringement fact pattern.

Ullallulloo,
@Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com avatar

I am a lawyer, and that is correct. You can use old Mickey for general purposes, but not as a mark.

SpaceNoodle, in Completely untrue nowadays...

Printers are pretty plug’n’play these days, at least until something technical goes wrong. Getting exactly what you want on paper can be pretty tough, though. I wrote an entire printing stack from scratch for an embedded system, but that was for a very specific set of models from a single manufacturer. It actually worked every time, especially when there were errors and warnings, but it took actual effort.

juli, in Completely untrue nowadays...

Huh? Linux and printers are the best

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

This wasn’t true *not so long ago.

*Depends on your definition of long 🤷.

Eldritch,

Seriously, one of the best ways to fix printer issues with windows. Is to buy a cheap raspberry pi zero or similar. And stick it in between as a print server. It solves so many random issues for both bad printer, firmwears and fucky windows behaviors

UnityDevice,

My hp printer has worked perfectly and reliably with CUPS for years now. Just turn it on and print, works every time.
Open source print drivers, baby! I still hate CUPS though.

acockworkorange,

Why the CUPS hate?

PeterPoopshit, in Happy new year

My new years resolution is to spread the good word of Arch Linux and tell everyone how great it is.

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

Gentoo*

LainOfTheWired,
@LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol avatar

*Void

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

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