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lankybiker, in An unbiased comparison of linux distributions' setup

Like you don’t need to fix shit with Fedora

It’s good but it’s not left perfect

umbrella, (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

I barelt have to fix anything at all in Ubuntu/Fedora type distros unless I want to do different/specific stuff.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

All my peripherals, NICs, and basic services worked out of the box. I had games up and running in fifteen minutes.

Mine’s not technically stock fedora, but still.

Damage,

Tbh I don’t remember the last time I had to fix something on Fedora…

RiderExMachina, (edited )

There are some minor choke points (restorecon if installing with a “dirty home” and installing RPMFusion), but yeah, otherwise it does a great job of staying out of your way.

Pantherina,

For me:

  • remove fedora flatpak
  • add flathub
  • remove preinstalled bloat (especially annoying on GNOME as these apps all have weird names)
  • add user to libvirt plugdev groups
  • setup automatic updates is weird, packagekit sucks a bit
  • Gnome software sucks, KDE Discover + Flatpak is way easier. But the flatpak backend is probably preinstalled
  • add rpmfusion on KDE needs CLI poorly, but nothing unfixable
  • install libavcodec-freeworld
MonkderZweite, in My PC is hacked

And you have no Windows VM ready to troll him?

Norodix,

No, this is the first time something like this happened to me. i dont even get it. In my country mostly young people speak english. Isnt the target demographic the elderly?

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Young people can (and often are) just as tech illiterate as the elderly. Just because you grew up with an iPad in your hands doesn’t mean you understand computers.

Anon819450514,

From my observations, it’s even worse. I

troyunrau,
@troyunrau@lemmy.ca avatar

You

original2,

Oh for sure … I (18m) helped out teaching product design at my school last year (a class of 12 year olds). When asked to open an app, many of them searched it up on google or didnt know how. We gave them the name if the app and only about 2/30 people

yoz,

Sounds like someone from your country is selling your data to India.

mxcory,

I did the opposite one day when I was bored. Wasted an hour with them and a Linux VM. Think they were the ones that had my Dell service ID for a tablet I previously owned.

Knusper, in Id like to build my from source

Ah, yes, AoE3 with the AoE4 logo. 🙃

Rootiest, in Two moods
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

“ah shucks, Windows Update just initiated a reboot without asking, guess I’m out for the night guys”

nolight,

I hate Windows, but this has never happened neither to me nor my friends. (Granted I only have like 3 friends who use it regularly)

wreckage,

I think that only happens when you don’t use windows for many months, which might be true for Linux users

RisingSwell,

I had Windows 10 do it once over however many years i was using it (was a fairly early adopter), and Windows 11 has never done it.

Anyone who can easily use Linux can just make Windows not do that kind of shit, and not auto-update, and block the connection from basically all Windows processes.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

They’d prefer to learn nothing, blame the OS for not looking and operating exactly like Linux, and then claim it sucks not for the reasons it sucks but because they can’t be bothered to try.

asexualchangeling,

I switch to linux becouse I was having regular forced updates (that would then bluescreen, only to revert and try again a day later)

Rootiest,
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

It happened to me often!

Part of that I’m sure it’s the fact that I work nights, but Windows refuses to acknowledge that during my work hours is not an appropriate time to install updates.

Simply stepping away to get a coffee or use the restroom is enough for Windows to decide now is the time to reboot and install updates for an hour or so and you better hope you saved everything before stepping away.

As a matter of fact, one of those instances is the one where the update broke my bitlocker encryption and I lost everything that wasn’t backed up. That was my last day using Windows.

WalrusDragonOnABike,

Was it your personal computer or a company managed computer? Either way, when to automatically start updates is just a setting that’s easily set. As is the “pause updates for X weeks” so that you have more weeks to do an intentional reboot. There might be some major security patches they’ve forced through anyways? But I don’t think I’ve had any windows update issues since like 2017 or 2018.

Rootiest, (edited )
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

It was not managed, honestly I should’ve disabled bitlocker, I just never expected it to be a problem.

As to settings for when it installs updates, they didn’t seem to stick or were not always respected in my experience. I spent a bit of effort trying to make sure it wasn’t configured to do that but it would still just go for it anyway if the system ever became idle after midnight or so.

Anyway this story has a happy ending because after that I decided to give daily driving linux another shot, and none of the issues I had experienced previously still exist here.

In fact, incredibly enough I have found on average that the games I play perform better on Linux now than they did on Windows.

And my OS never installs updates without my permission, let alone forcing an unscheduled reboot.

Juigi,

This hasnt happened to me since vista days lol

ExLisper, in It's the beer, I knew it!

I don’t get it. The article says that hardware is 1974 was expensive but UNIX was cheap to develop. Linus developing Linux just confirms what they are saying. Is the joke that computers used to be expensive and now they are cheap?

kindernacht,

The joke is that a couple of drunk guys enduring an eternal winter came up with something better than silicon valley could.

Ilgaz,

It is still the same deal. Do you think high level suits can really understand the idea of GNU and Linux completely?

Some guy from a remote village in India can climb up to a hill for better reception and upload a couple of a hundred lines to the right place in right format and it could be accepted in Linux kernel which may eventually run in a IBM System Z monster with 40TB of RAM. That code may add 2x performance to a very crucial part. I think those blue suits simply ignore this fact to keep their corporate mind sanity. Seen old S360 photos? They really dress that way.

Btw, I didn’t stereotypically make up that Indian guy climbing story. I used his OS distribution rather than multi billion Chinese giant version since it was simply better. Hundreds of thousands did. The village he lived sometimes lost power too. Of course, he added more team members later.

ExLisper, (edited )

Not to argue about a joke but Linux was ‘better’ because it was free, not because it was technically better. By the time it got actually better than UNIX tons of people have worked on it, not just couple of drunk guys. I think someone just misread what the article says and missed the ‘not’ in ‘need not be expensive’. But if people find it funny it’s cool, it’s not for me to judge anyone’s sense of humour.

Ilgaz,

I think you should really ask around about product usage scenarios especially in Redhat/SUSE scenes. Linux is either same price or more expensive than Windows.

I think you say Minix was better but let me remind that it’s creator himself says it was created for a very different purpose and still does it well. Its version 3 runs whole Intel World so it may have even “won”

I worked in TV industry and I knew some very high end studios. The amazingly expensive software they use needs a very reliable system without any kind of vendor lock in. They choose RHEL or SUSE on tested, certified hardware. OS price is just a small detail, like coffee machine supplies.

I have worked with very high end Microsoft Windows servers too. Did you know that their browser default homepage is MSN, not about:blank and it actually triggered Flash ActiveX install? I begun to see Windows like abuse of Dave Cutler’s kernel. No less.

Tippon,

I think someone just misread what the article says and missed the ‘not’ in ‘need not be expensive’.

You’ve missed the second part of that sentence - ‘UNIX can run on hardware costing as little as $40,000’. The photo is the Finnish hacker making it work on a computer that cost a fraction of that, while drinking a beer. It’s a play on the hold my beer meme.

kindernacht,

Personally, it’s amusing at best. In the same way as the girl in Jurassic Park using “Unix” to hack the system.

That being said, I still give mad props for the development that occurred during that era.

Ilgaz,

UNIX was a small and inexpensive open source system and could create miracles for such a low price.

When Linus came into scene, UNIX was heavily fragmented, expensive, closed with some insane trickery to make sure nobody cross compiles anything on the “enemy UNIX” (rival). I don’t say go and read them but the size of auto tools should give a clue. It is one of the under rated inventions of GNU. Obviously BSD people have their own valid counter point too.

The only serious thing around was still Novell who begun to take UNIX serious right after Linux had a serious shape. I remember my company paid a Novell tech $2000 to restore the files from their SCSI. It wasn’t a rip off, that is what happens when you use a closed system. Who knows how much money Novell took for training. For the curious: They still didn’t buy a tape backup system.

We should just read first lines, check photo additionally remembering all those suits at IBM, Sun and MS and laugh. That is what meme is for. :-)

I also laugh whenever I see the quote of a open source developer with a cowboy hat in elevator of MS .

MS guy (with BillG tone): I am sorry but who are you? OSS guy: I am your worst nightmare!

szlwzl, in Songs about Vim
gogosempai, in It happens 🤷
@gogosempai@programming.dev avatar

Ah old days… I used to boot into Windows 10 just for gaming but when Valve’s Proton matured to the point that all my games could work on Linux I very happily nuked it out of existence. But yeah if someone plays Fortnite or needs Adobe products then you still can’t do much unfortunately.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

I don’t do either, but I still need Windows. Some software just needs native communication with hardware devices and wine is still not there yet.

ExLisper,

That’s what virtualization is for.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

You can’t have native SATA support with virtualization… at least not that I’m aware of… and I need that.

BirdyBoogleBop,

Doesn’t that trip anticheats?

redditReallySucks,
@redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Only problem is gamepass

gogosempai,
@gogosempai@programming.dev avatar

I only played via Steam so I wouldn’t know. I hear it’s a good deal, but I’ve made it a point to not accept such good deals from BigTech. Have gotten screwed over too many times. Remember when Google Photos allowed unlimited storage?

redditReallySucks,
@redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Then piracy it will be. For now it’s more convenient than piracy.

BoastfulDaedra,

This isn’t a real solution, but I’ve run it fine through Amazon on Chrome while using Linux.

Evil_Shrubbery, in It happens 🤷

Just hold the power button until it gets quiet.

shush, don’t fight it, it will be over soon.

macaroni1556,

I always imagine this when hard rebooting any device

Darken,
@Darken@reddthat.com avatar

same thought when hard rebooting the last time before formatting

Evil_Shrubbery,

Oh yeah, deleting partition tables always felt a bit like (mini) scorched earth past-denying genocide. Gone but not forgotten. But also mostly forgotten. Nevertheless you legacy will live onwards through volume labels that I always use.

0x4E4F, (edited )
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

I know, I know… we were just not meant to be, sorry…

shalva97,

It could be installing updates

Evil_Shrubbery,

You are right, but I always risk it (restore points work most of the time anyway).

Darken, (edited )
@Darken@reddthat.com avatar

Unless u have a ntfs shared drive which gets locked by windows if u don’t restart (or disable fast startup for a real shutdown) so it releases the lock without having to unlock it inside Linux (and sometimes failing because it’s not always locked the same)

“locked” the drive is read-only in Linux until windows unlocks it or Linux does using a tool

0x4E4F, (edited )
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Unless u have a ntfs shared drive which gets locked by windows if u don’t restart…

One of the main reasons why I let ot boot all the way. If nothing else, it’ll mark the partition as dirty 😒. Sure, I can sudo mount my way into it, but I really have no idea if everything’s OK with it. So, I have to reboot, boot into Windows, mark the partition for a consistency check, reboot, boot into Windows again so it could do the check, then reboot again and (finally!) boot into Linux 😒… I mean, just let it boot all the way the first time, it’ll be over rather quickly.

Darken,
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  • 0x4E4F,
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    Really? I think it shows the files as locked, but you can actually do whatever in root 🤔.

    In either case, it’s just more painless to actually let it boot all the way than to interrupt the boot process.

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  • 0x4E4F,
    @0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

    lol 🤣. Good info though 👍, I will have it in mind.

    Evil_Shrubbery, (edited )

    Oh yeah, I’ve had that happen to me (only the one time, like a decade ago), once I realized what gives I solved it easily with GParted ‘repair’ or something like that (iirc?).

    Edit: ohh, I think it was a (full distro) live-boot CD that I used.

    dopeshark, in Your PC will thank you...
    @dopeshark@lemmy.world avatar

    “How the fuck linux is gonna help my faulty PSU dumbass??”

    sigmund,

    sudo apt-get install --reinstall psu

    Retrograde,
    @Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

    Damn they really do have commands for everything

    nicoweio,

    I thought there was an emacs command?

    HouseWolf, in I know it's not safe, but it's doesn't stop me

    Honestly the AUR is the main thing stopping me from distro hopping…that and laziness

    richardisaguy,
    @richardisaguy@lemmy.world avatar

    You can have AUR packages on other distros through ditrobox btw

    superminerJG, in Linus does not fuck around

    One does not simply break userspace. You’ll receive more than just angry bug reports. There are restless maintainers who will not sleep. And the great corporations are ever watchful.

    einfach_orangensaft, in Watching Updates on the terminal be like:

    update: yay after reboot and login KDE wont start up and i have no desktop…its allmost 4am and i am 5h into this update

    https://feddit.de/pictrs/image/a688c3e3-cd06-427a-b8ce-994fe9a832ba.jpeg

    dejected_warp_core,

    Thank you for clearly illustrating how I felt when I (somehow) tanked my Linux GUI on Ubuntu 22. Terror cat is exactly the right mood.

    PrefersAwkward,
    @PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world avatar

    What distro?

    JoMomma,

    Arch… the OP maybe should just install mint

    kpw,

    Yeah, what self-respecting Arch user has packages on their system they don't recognize?

    einfach_orangensaft, (edited )

    manjaro

    fixed the problem by deleting mime cache and rebuilding it

    PrefersAwkward, (edited )
    @PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world avatar

    Ideally, you should use Pamac (if you’re doing CLI), not Pacman, to update Manjaro. Haven’t used Manjaro in a while, but this is gospel most of the time.

    EDIT: clarity

    WeLoveCastingSpellz,

    “manjaro” explains the problem very well actually

    avapa,

    Seriously. I used Manjaro for a short period about 5 or 6 years ago but ran into so many issues with it. Vanilla Arch on the other hand is very forgiving in my experience. I have a second desktop PC with Arch installed and I only update that machine once every couple of months when I actually need to use it. In my four years of doing that I never had an update break my system.

    kattenluik,

    I’ve used and come back to Arch for nearly 8 years now and Manjaro has always been a broken distribution and genuinely gives Arch a bad rep.

    Arch has always been a very stable daily driver for me, never breaking and never having issues with it. I’m always confused on what people are doing when they have issues with their entire distro breaking, especially since you pick all your packages and such anyways.

    azertyfun,

    I’ve had a few breaking changes in 10 years of dailying Arch across multiple devices.

    Most egregiously one time a PAM update included a new PAM config… which got applied as .pacnew, but the new PAM config was critical and I could not login with a cryptic error message.

    That probably took me a solid hour to figure out, because config file conflicts is probably pacman’s weakest point. At least apt starts conflict resolution by default.

    woelkchen,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t think in this specific case it does, though. I had similar problems with a completely different distribution. I’m convinced that it’s an upstream Qt or KDE issue where broken caches or changed cache formats don’t get automatically invalidated and rebuild. In the case I vividly remember some lower level graphics library was updated and everything seemed to run fine but for some (and only some) users it resulted in Qt or some KDE component not being able to parse the cache any longer. After some research (under Gnome) I wrote a small script that quit Plasma and KWin, deleted all the caches (icon, font, …) and then launched KWin and Plasma again. Worked fine and came handy on a couple of further occasions.

    Agility0971,
    @Agility0971@lemmy.world avatar

    how is mime cache related to this?

    Titou,
    @Titou@feddit.de avatar

    “manjaro” not even surprise me

    Discover5164,

    use pamac and always read the post on the forum.

    you should have the thing in the panel that links you to the post of each update. (forum.manjaro.org/t/…/69066)

    i’m on manjaro from ~4 years ago. it never broke… still a couple of times i had to restore a timeshift backup.

    i will switch to nixos once i learned enough of it.

    linuxdweeb, in It's OK if you cry

    Tell me you haven’t used Linux in the past ~20 years without telling me you haven’t used Linux in the past ~20 years

    0x4E4F, (edited )

    Tell me you haven’t used more than 2 or 3 pieces of hardware in the past 20 years without telling me you haven’t used more than 2 or 3 pieces of hardware in the past 20 years.

    Moshpirit,
    @Moshpirit@lemmy.world avatar

    I thought you thought about WiFi drivers because of the extra difficulty on not being able to search online, but I see now that this is just based on real experiences

    Mr3Sepz,

    At least my notebook doesn’t support the newer wifi standards, that I would need at the university eduroam network.

    I always have to hook up my phone and use usb-tethering

    0x4E4F,

    WPA3?

    Mr3Sepz,

    I don’t remember if it was WPA 3 or WPA 2 Enterprise.

    0x4E4F,

    If the card supports at least WPA2, it should support WPA2 Enterprise as well. Only cards manufactured in the last few years support WPA3. I doubt they would enforce WPA3 only.

    MyFairJulia,
    @MyFairJulia@lemmy.world avatar

    My Intel Wireless AC 7265 on my Sony VAIO begs to differ. Certainly not brand-spanking new but it’s AFAIK less than 10 years old. The speed would at some point drop under Void Linux.

    FreshLight, in Repurposing your laptop trans rights style 😎🏳️‍⚧️

    I use Arch btw

    model_tar_gz, in Yeah, very sorry that this app is Windows only, would love to switch to Mac

    Mac users are at the sink right next to them also washing their hands. We don’t talk about the nasty things Linux users do with their hands.

    fakeman_pretendname,

    Are Mac users compatible with normal sinks and water or do they need an adapter?

    model_tar_gz,

    Apple will happily sell you a MagSafe dongle to dangle in the sink beside your neighbor.

    victron,
    @victron@lemmy.world avatar

    Zing!

    Default_Defect,
    @Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

    Adapter, unless the EU forced them to change that.

    DeepGradientAscent,
    @DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev avatar

    Dongle me harder, senpai.

    wfh,

    All those filthy command line arguments <3

    model_tar_gz,

    Yeah seriously. I don’t show anyone my bash history. That’s nastay.

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