neonred,

What is this “Windows” thou speakest of? I use grub just to experiment with kernel options and select different kernels without writing too often to the efi eeprom

rony4102,

Takes gazillion years to boot

only0218,

You can quite easily set grub to remember the last picked option

0x4E4F, (edited )
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

That is not the problem. It’s whether I wanted to pick Windows or Linux in this reboot that’s the issue.

BoastfulDaedra,

Just pray to God you didn’t pick “Windows Boot Repair” or you’re going to spend a while recovering your partition labels…

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Not an issue, I still use MBR boot.

BoastfulDaedra,

I hear you.

The first time WBR killed my partition labels, it was before I could even properly restart. I removed the GRUB entry after that mess, once I repaired their labeling; but at least at the time, it would come back after every GRUB update. Later I just moved Windows to its own hard drive and left it there.

Now I don’t even feel the need to bother with it at all.

pineapplelover, (edited )
ricdeh,
@ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

You don’t sound so bad for pushing 120!

gogosempai,
@gogosempai@programming.dev avatar

Ah old days… I used to boot into Windows 10 just for gaming but when Valve’s Proton matured to the point that all my games could work on Linux I very happily nuked it out of existence. But yeah if someone plays Fortnite or needs Adobe products then you still can’t do much unfortunately.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

I don’t do either, but I still need Windows. Some software just needs native communication with hardware devices and wine is still not there yet.

ExLisper,

That’s what virtualization is for.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

You can’t have native SATA support with virtualization… at least not that I’m aware of… and I need that.

BirdyBoogleBop,

Doesn’t that trip anticheats?

redditReallySucks,
@redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Only problem is gamepass

gogosempai,
@gogosempai@programming.dev avatar

I only played via Steam so I wouldn’t know. I hear it’s a good deal, but I’ve made it a point to not accept such good deals from BigTech. Have gotten screwed over too many times. Remember when Google Photos allowed unlimited storage?

redditReallySucks,
@redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Then piracy it will be. For now it’s more convenient than piracy.

BoastfulDaedra,

This isn’t a real solution, but I’ve run it fine through Amazon on Chrome while using Linux.

Telodzrum,

People are still using GRUB to dual boot? It’s not 2010 anymore. systemd-boot is the objectively superior choice.

maryjayjay,

Is systemd-boot a bootloader?

Telodzrum,

It’s a boot manager, technically.

nixcamic,

How does it compare to refind?

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Good for people that use systemd… what about the rest of us…

Telodzrum,

All six of you Luddites? You figure it out.

0x4E4F, (edited )
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

You should really take a closer look at the Void user base…

Telodzrum,

Loud doesn’t mean numerous. Ubuntu, Mint, Debian, Fedora, Arch, and Manjaro take up almost all of the desktop install market.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah, and it’s a big market… all 6% of it.

My point was, systemd is not the only init system, there are others. Just because it’s used by over 90% of the Linux distros out there, doesn’t mean it’s the only one, thus offering a solution that is tied to systemd is not exactly a solution. Grub already has it figured out, why complicate things further.

Agent641,

I just unplug the exposed SATA cable from one ssd and plug it into the other SSD. I am the bootloader

callyral,
@callyral@pawb.social avatar

does systemd-boot require a distro that runs systemd or is it just the name

Telodzrum,

It’s part of systemd, just for those that use it.

AVincentInSpace,

laughs in rEFInd

also systemd-boot is just worse GRUB, CMV

Telodzrum,

I have no desire to engage with an objectively incorrect view. However, you are the second person to mention refind which I am unfamiliar with and I’m intrigued.

AVincentInSpace, (edited )

systemd-boot is GRUB but without customization and fewer supported features (LLVM root etc). What more is there to say?

rEFInd is (as the name implies) an EFI bootloader that, on every boot, scans all attached storage devices for a bootable partition and presents all those found in a boot menu with a quite nice graphical theme

laurelraven,

You use your mouse for GRUB?

bastion,

That just doesn’t happen to me.

I use rEFInd.

ExLisper,

That also doesn’t happen to me.

The last time I had Windows installed anywhere was around 15 years ago.

Caboose12000, (edited )

does anyone know how to actually reorganze a grub menu? every time I try to Google it I only get results for some old software that hasnt been updated in over a decade 8 years. its a huge pain to have to select the distro I want every time just because its not first

laurelraven,

The old GRUB was easy, just a text file… I think I’ve done it once in the new one but it’s way too long since then

I bet either the Gentoo or Arch (or probably both) wiki has enough details on how to manage GRUB to do that

okamiueru,

I think arch install defaults to systemd-boot these days. But, I realise that doesn’t negate anything you said… So. Hope you’re having a nice day.

laurelraven,

Just checked and they do have it, I think this is the section they need if they want to go that route

wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Custom_grub.cfg

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Yast on openSUSE does this and is maintained.

0x4E4F, (edited )
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Grub Customizer. Just don’t change it too much (names of menu entries for example) cuz most package managers won’t recognize that that menu entry is actually a menu entry for it’s own install and won’t replace it with a new one when doing a kernel update. So, basically, one of two things will happen. You will either be left with 2 menu entries (one for the new kernel and one for the old one, with the old one being the default) or two, you’ll still be booting the old kernel, even though you have the new one installed (no changes to grub whatsoever). Just rearanging the menu entries is fine though, most package managers won’t mangle that and will recognize the menu entry as part of the OS they’re updating and replace that one with a new one.

Caboose12000, (edited )

is there a fork of grub customizer somewhere thats being maintained? that was the software I was talking about in my original comment* and unless im misreading the GitHub page for the project, the last update was 8 years ago.

*I mispoke when I said it was over 10 years out of date, it was updated in 2016.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

launchpad.net/grub-customizer/

I think that GH repo is just for reference… or maybe they (whoever made it) stopped syncing it to the main repo, IDK. 5.2.4 is the latest version and it’s released late 2023, so yeah, it’s still under active development.

LovePoson,

Me with only linux installed: not a problem i face, no

greencactus,

Yesss, Linux gang for the win!

Evil_Shrubbery,

Just hold the power button until it gets quiet.

shush, don’t fight it, it will be over soon.

macaroni1556,

I always imagine this when hard rebooting any device

Darken,
@Darken@reddthat.com avatar

same thought when hard rebooting the last time before formatting

Evil_Shrubbery,

Oh yeah, deleting partition tables always felt a bit like (mini) scorched earth past-denying genocide. Gone but not forgotten. But also mostly forgotten. Nevertheless you legacy will live onwards through volume labels that I always use.

0x4E4F, (edited )
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

I know, I know… we were just not meant to be, sorry…

shalva97,

It could be installing updates

Evil_Shrubbery,

You are right, but I always risk it (restore points work most of the time anyway).

Darken, (edited )
@Darken@reddthat.com avatar

Unless u have a ntfs shared drive which gets locked by windows if u don’t restart (or disable fast startup for a real shutdown) so it releases the lock without having to unlock it inside Linux (and sometimes failing because it’s not always locked the same)

“locked” the drive is read-only in Linux until windows unlocks it or Linux does using a tool

0x4E4F, (edited )
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Unless u have a ntfs shared drive which gets locked by windows if u don’t restart…

One of the main reasons why I let ot boot all the way. If nothing else, it’ll mark the partition as dirty 😒. Sure, I can sudo mount my way into it, but I really have no idea if everything’s OK with it. So, I have to reboot, boot into Windows, mark the partition for a consistency check, reboot, boot into Windows again so it could do the check, then reboot again and (finally!) boot into Linux 😒… I mean, just let it boot all the way the first time, it’ll be over rather quickly.

Darken,
@Darken@reddthat.com avatar

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    @0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Really? I think it shows the files as locked, but you can actually do whatever in root 🤔.

    In either case, it’s just more painless to actually let it boot all the way than to interrupt the boot process.

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  • 0x4E4F,
    @0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

    lol 🤣. Good info though 👍, I will have it in mind.

    Evil_Shrubbery, (edited )

    Oh yeah, I’ve had that happen to me (only the one time, like a decade ago), once I realized what gives I solved it easily with GParted ‘repair’ or something like that (iirc?).

    Edit: ohh, I think it was a (full distro) live-boot CD that I used.

    PlantDadManGuy,

    I’m not into programming, and I’m an LGBTQIA Ally. Just genuinely curious. Are 90% of Linux users really young white femboys with anime body pillows? Or is Lemmy just a heavily skewed demographic?

    vardogor,
    @vardogor@mander.xyz avatar

    these comments always remind me how small the amount of my peers here probably is. i wonder how many other lemmy users have cooked crack

    0x4E4F, (edited )
    @0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

    ✌️… not proud of it though… and it was heroin, not crack.

    exoplanetary,
    @exoplanetary@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s mostly just a stereotype. I know plenty of young white femboys who use Windows, and I’m a Linux user who is young and white but definitely not a femboy. I would say 90% of Linux users probably know how to program though.

    0x4E4F, (edited )
    @0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Or at least are very friendly with the terminal and know all sorts of scripting languages… which is not that far from programming either.

    mexicancartel,

    I think only 60% linux users know how to program

    bitwaba,

    Dual booters are fem-boys with anime body pillows.

    Those brave enough to take the full plunge and single boot Linux are fem-men with anime body pillows.

    greencactus,

    No… The true Linux users are white, mid-40 men who only use Arch Linux on an old Thinkpad and who will comment “I use Arch BTW” under a video with a random dog eating a ball just to prove that the dog should use Arch as well, because it is objectively better than anything else.

    bitwaba, (edited )

    Yeah, that’s what I said. Fem-men with anime body pillows.

    I use Arch BTW

    greencactus,

    You just made my day better, I had to laugh. Thank you ;)

    GarlicToast,

    Not so young anymore (🥲), not a femboy and no body pillows here. Been using Linux for almost 20 years now. More than 10 exclusivly Linux.

    The young, single, femboys just has more time to creat more memes.

    okamiueru,

    My impression of linuxmemes (what’s the lemmy word for subreddit?) is mostly that it feels like the regular posters don’t use Linux. Either that, or it is automated and reposting stuff from 10-20 years ago that isn’t very accurate or relevant.

    0x4E4F,
    @0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

    We call the comms, short for communities 😉.

    danikpapas,

    To extend your statistical research I’m a GNU/LINUX. user, i have never watched an anime, I’m white, extremely racist and a lgbtqia hater.

    AVincentInSpace,

    I hate that I had to check your history to see if you were joking

    ^judging^ ^by^ ^lots^ ^of^ ^comments^ ^in^ ^!196^ ^I’m^ ^going^ ^yes^

    0x4E4F, (edited )
    @0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Heavily skewed demographic IMO. LGBTQ+ supportive liberals is what makes most of it, but I would bet that there are republican IT workers out there (or rightists, in general, if not from the US) or users that maybe like most of what the right has to offer, just don’t agree with everything all the way, like let’s say libre software.

    And I stole the meme, I wouldn’t have used that image for the meme, I’m in no way into anime 😂. Sure, Akira and legendary stuff like that, but that’s just a really good movie TBH, it doesn’t matter if it’s anime or not.

    AlpacaChariot,

    It’s just Lemmy!

    emergencyfood,

    LGBT people are over-represented in IT, as it is less judgemental of such things compared to many other professions. Also, people who had to hide their identity, or question it, or read more about such hard to access topics, probably learned how to use the internet, and may have even developed an interest in fields like privacy and digital equality.

    As for anime, Japan (and China, Korea etc.) are major electronics manufacturers and designers, so their culture has influenced the internet, and particularly the more nerdy parts of it.

    But there are plenty of people with very different political views in the Linux community, from RMS’s infocommunism to Eric Raymond’s right-libertarianism.

    acockworkorange,

    Windows is installing update 2 of 48…

    0x4E4F, (edited )
    @0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Yeah, that was back in the WinVista/7/8/8.1 days, it doesn’t show the number of updates any more. Plus, a lot of the updates are cumulative, they abandoned their earlier model.

    And, I have to admit, the update process is a lot faster now and a lot less error prone.

    someguy3,

    it doesn’t show the number of updates

    Huh didn’t think of that.

    greencactus,

    Admittedly, when you run apt-update on a freshly installed system, you get a whole lot more updates. But at least they finish in a a few seconds, compared to Windows’s somewhere between now and the end of time. Who knows ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    acockworkorange,

    The are no forced updates ever, no forced restarts, and by golly no multiple restarts.

    greencactus, (edited )

    Admittedly, good point. I completely forgot by now how annoying the experience was :)

    wonderfulvoltaire,
    @wonderfulvoltaire@lemmy.world avatar

    I use uefi to change boot order between openSUSE and holoiso 👍

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