After all, Reddit generously hosts our little community, and we’d hate to adversely affect them by making an immediate, detrimental change to that arrangement.
That is awesome. I don’t get why people don’t want to serve on juries anyway? It’s a civic duty and it will probably be only once in your life. It’s an interesting experience!
Because people can’t afford to. Most employers won’t pay you during that time. The court pays you like $15 a day which probably doesn’t cover your parking and lunch.
Depending how long you have to serve you can lose out on hundreds or thousands of dollars.
Most of America is living paycheck to paycheck. So being summoned is basically a death sentence for a lot of people.
The structure of USA’s society is that everyone travels to cities to work (where the office and/or restaurants / hangout spots are), but then travels to suburbia to sleep / pay taxes.
This means that the cityfolk are constantly doing jury duty for all the suburbanite visitors. Someone who lives in an urban area is pretty much going to get selected for jury duty as often as legally allowed.
Comes with the territory, like complaining about how expensive urban areas are. No one is forcing most people to live in or near a big city. You weren’t forced to take a job that requires it.
I hate the suburbs too, they can’t subsidize themselves though taxes for example, but this seems more like a matter of choice.
I live in the suburbs, because I recognize that I get all the benefits of cities with almost none of the downsides. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. As long as I can afford the suburbia and as long as it leads to a better life, I’ll take advantage of it.
But in the vast majority of cases, its the cities that provide the value (IE: job creation, center of commerce and innovation, location of efficiency with public transit / steamworks / useful infrastructure)… while suburbs are basically trying to live as close to the city as possible without taking on the responsibilities (IE: taxes go to the suburb schools / suburb cops without paying into the city that makes the suburb livable)
Jury Duty is just one more thing that proves the pattern. People mostly don’t commit crimes in suburbia, because no one is doing commerce in suburbia (its more efficient to centralize commerce into the city). So when crimes are committed, they’re usually in the city (white-collar, suing, traffic crimes, etc. etc.). So the overworked city-justice system (already at a disadvantage due to higher crime due to being the center of commerce) is then overworked some more as they usually can’t recruit jurors.
Doubly-so for cities like New York City who are supporting the suburbs in New Jersey. New York City cannot cross state lines and grab jurors from New Jersey, even though we all damn well know that New Jersey residents constitute a huge portion of the traffic, commerce, crime, and other problems in NYC.
Less so for cities closer to the center of a state… especially if the State can better distribute jurors / taxes and have a more fair system.
I’ve been on a jury a couple of times myself. The first time was boring and was a frustrating case. The second time was disturbing but very interesting and definitely a satisfying experience.
I understand that not everyone wants to serve if their employer doesn’t pay them; it can be a burden. Luckily mine does so I always look forward to summons in the hopes I get on a jury now.
I was called to jury duty in Arkansas back in '17. I actually WANTED to participate, but sadly, my spouse wanted to move out of state. When doing the initial court appearance, it was explained that if we received a ticket for parking within x blocks, bring the ticket to the court, and they would solve it. Sure enough, I had a ticket. I took it to the court, and I never heard anything more about it. When I moved, I still had 5 months of eligibility. I called they court, explained my move, and that was it.
We live in this country and gain all the benefits, so we should expect (and WANT) to perform our civic duty.
You often don't get paid or don't get paid nearly enough. Too many people like paycheque to paycheque to be able to do that.
And in extreme cases, you can get sequestered, where you're expected to basically put your life on hold for the duration of the trial, which complete bullshit and feels as if you're being punished.
Sequestering is absolutely not bullshit. It's done for very important reasons and judges are very careful about not ordering it unless it's truly necessary.
It is interesting, but it’s also frustrating, and forced, effectively uncompensated work. I say ‘effectively’ uncompensated because they pay you a token amount that may have been adequate 100 years ago but now is not. Indeed, many people wind up making negative money when taking in the cost of travel and food, to say nothing of actual missed pay from their normal job.
That said it is actually kind of easy to get out of it if you really want to most of the time. When I served, the judge accepted any reasonable excuse from those who needed to leave. The most annoying part though was that it felt like the attorneys liked wasting time on irrelevant bullshit.
Additionally, when the judge asks if there’s any reason you can’t serve you can state you will never vote against your conscience regardless of the law, and that if you don’t believe a person should be punished you will not vote them guilty no matter what the law says. They do not want and will not take someone who votes their conscience above all else.
I’ll forever be annoyed at myself for a reply that got me out of jury duty.
I do understand the importance of the concept and I am willing to serve. My only objection so far is how wasteful it can be. I got called up several years in a row …. To miss work and sit in a dingy basement all day until being excused as “not needed”. I even understand the point that the court has to be ready, but there’s got to be a way to make it less inconvenient to “stand by”.
So the one time my jury duty might have turned into doing something useful for society in return for my inconvenience , I get called to the bench and was asked a few questions. Unfortunately I got hit with anxiety and babbled something that I recognized afterwards as the exact opposite as intended, and was immediately excused.
Edit: fine, I’ll say it. The people who would use it to get out of jury duty probably wouldn’t take their responsibility seriously anyway. I attempted to say something like “I hold the police to a higher standard as a witness since that is their job”, and it came out as “yes, I always believe the police”. Wtf?
That's stupid, I mean, cat nets are basically invisible from down the street, I have one on my balcony, your neighbors complained just for the sake of it, well done anyway! :D
lmao, it went full circle. It was confirmed by the mods that it used to be about 3d Shacks, but when it went abandonned, they turned it into 3DS Hacks. Love to see it.
Gonna be hard to find proof with the state of Reddit, but I was there since the begining of the hacking scene and yep, it used to be all about actual 3D shacks haha
Good for you. Some of these board members are retirees who try and get a sense of power from policing rules unnecessarily. I hope I have better things to do with my time when I get old.
No, I am from Venezuela. It isn’t that level of common, but sometimes you see a biker decide the bottleneck is too much to go between and change to the sidewalk. There is also a few places where it is supposed to be people walking only but some will just get in there for no reason.
The worst offenders of this are the cops and military, because they usually aren’t on small displacement bikes but massive 1000cc Vstrom and KLRs.
Motor vehicles are already banned from the sidewalk by traffic rules. There is no sign here saying “No murder” either, doesn’t mean it’s allowed. My city also specifically bans bicycles off the sidewalk too, but since a bicycle is defined in the code as having at least two wheels, unicycles are NOT included. This is settled court precedent here after some clown challenged the ticket he got for riding one and won. Rollerblading and skateboarding is fine.
Unless this city has specific laws banning bicycles/rollerblading/skateboarding, this sign has no legal power except as an advisory by the property owner. Ironically, violating this sign will be judged as tresspassing, not a traffic infraction. You are on the property at the invitation of the owner under presumption of following their rules. No follow = no invitation = tresspassing :(
Loving the malicious compliance on display from the Reddit mods.
Honestly, I reckon Reddit will eventually install mods that will restore the status quo and it'll probably be fine after. But this moment in history is so cool to watch, with massive group of internet users saying a collective, prolonged fuck you to the man. Love it.
I wish some of these subs would stand their ground and make the admin replace them. That would cause the admin seven bigger headaches down the line, because a lot of the mods they impose would likely not be as good, not be as committed, and would be less strict in moderation, leading to a big pain for advertisers who suddenly would see lots of content next to their ads that is very not good.
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