Not only white countries. I live in Brazil and here is also a good country if you’re a man, white, educated, not disabled, mentally stable and of german descent.
But the degree varies. Yesterday, the new nsdap got elected as second strongest party in the federal state hessen. One of their leaders literally said to warm up the gas chambers again.
I think we really need the US to intervene sooner rather than later. Otherwise we’re definitely getting nuked at some point.
Germany is fully embracing fascism again at this point.
Yeah, we Germans don’t realize yet how close we are again. It sure feels like the last days of the Weimar republic sometimes. Mostly because our “normal” politicians fail horribly.
I completely agree. But I would go even farther. We have misunderstood and corrupted democracy to a popularity contest. I
t is legal to infinitely increase politicians salaries, to accept donations from lobbyist groups, to work into their own pocket. We pretty much legalized corruption.
Now the politicians are so out of touch that they don’t see how their country is eroding under them. The streets have holes, there is garbage on the back alleys but not on the main streets. All so it doesn’t look bad when you drive through but shit if you live there.
Even our former health minister, albeit relatively fast in his reaction, made himself and his husband rich with mask deals. He should definitely go to jail for that.
My wife and I made a deal yesterday night, after the votes came in. If the nazis get a seat on a national level, we‘re leaving to the nordic countries. We‘ll both be fucked because the light there isn’t great and we have issues with depression anyway but it’s better than the fucking gas chamber.
I mean it obviously depends on a lot of factors. If you‘re white, speak fluent german and don’t tell anyone you‘re an immigrant, you get bullied less.
But generally, being black seems to be a problem. I’m not too informed about that except reading the occasional report. Having facial features usually found in islamic countries is definitely going to get you in hot water with the older folks and the uneducated.
Depending on the part of germany, you‘ll likely be met with a baseball bat (east germany).
It is normal in germany to make racist jokes and to make jokes about disabled people. The german government commissioned a recent study about this (demokratie-leben.de/…/rassistische-realitaeten-in…) and it came to the conclusion that nearly 25% of all (5000 people I think) have been victim to racism and over half have been present during racist encounters.
This and the fact that the new german nazi party just got voted in second place in the federal state of hessen should tell you most that you need to know.
I’m actually from Germany, I currently live in the federal state of Hessen. The far-right party did get 16 percent in the elections yesterday (not quite 30 but thats still a lot) but it should be noted that a good portion of their voters seem to be voting out of protest.
Maybe its different in the countryside but I live in a big city and I personally have not experienced any racism (including from older people), some friends of mine have but its certainly not common. Thats still bad but I dont think its worse than in other countries…
Cant comment on East Germany but its certainly not normal to make racist jokes (or jokes about disabled people).
I dont want to make assumptions but it sounds like your perspective on Germany comes from a single person whose experience isnt really representative of Germany as a whole… just my thoughts.
Hey, now worries. We all make different experiences so yours may differ. Btw. I‘m sorry, they got 30% in the voting district I‘m in, not the whole state but they are second strongest there. I‘ll correct that. Also, I am part of multiple minorities, one of witch is being the child of an immigrant.
I‘m not talking about myself or someone I know though. I used to do sales a lot and traveled through germany for 20 years. I‘ve met hundreds of people every year and am telling you what I hear and see. To be fair, I met with people from all social backgrounds so someone from a more affluent class will make a very different experience.
Anyway, I grew up in the biggest city in hessen and although there are a lot of immigrants, the racist shit that happens there is insane. A friend of mine got sucked in with the local soccer club‘s hooligans and we ended up at a members house who happened to also be in the former nazi parti (npd) and had a red flag in their living room (you know the one). I never went to soccer again.
But I digress: Having worked in eastern hessen, I have had to deal with companies needing employees which I supplied. The most stated demand was „no immigrants please“ (around 2005). Racism is brutal in eastern (rural) hessen. I often had to tell my customers that they were opening themselves up to lawsuits with that behavior.
I now live in western hessen where the political climate used to be pretty chill but it is ramping up big time. Since I have had an autism diagnosis in the meantime, I have been sensitized to ableist commentary. I wouldn’t have picked up on it otherwise either.
Since then, I joined a couple groups in the area to talk about experiences. People are being bullied at work for their disability and frequently fired, stating the disability is the reason but giving another reason legally so the employer cant be sued. As a former employer I‘m familiar with this technique although I find it appalling.
Also, older people tend to send racist or ableist jokes around here. That is not something I heard but something that happens a lot since I happen to know quite a few. I always tell them not to send around shit like this but they’re oblivious why this is bad.
About eastern germany: I have visited leipzig, jena, east berlin, brandenburg and other places. The bigger cities are less racist but brandenburg is insane. People are walking around with shaved heads, black boots and nazi tattoos. I‘m not making this up.
I do agree that some people vote alt right out of protest but we‘re having a racism problem. The study doesn’t lie and neither your nor my account will change that. Racist crimes have picked up 10% in the last year btw.
Most people who don’t belong to a minority don’t really see these things happening here.
Thank you for xour insights! I guess I’m too young to have experienced anything around the year 2000 but if I understand you correctly, you’re saying that most of the racism doesn’t happen in public (directly targetted at the victims) but rather in between non-members of the minority group…?
Yes, most of it happens among members of the majority (which I can pose as if I keep quiet about myself and don’t show differences) or against a group that is not present. The beatings, spitting and raping happen rather rarely, if you get my drift.
Rats! You uncovered the comment that i specifically referenced where I called you by name saying I will repost this exact thing for funny hahas… on the post titled “Quality OC on Lemmy for the hahas”
I guess ill just have to post this all over again.
No such thing as a fair fight, ever. Fighting fair is called sport. Fighting is fighting, you win or you die. Winners win, losers die. Would we like that some of the losers weren’t killed? Sure, but you can’t bring back the dead. History will continue, and you will never see an Native American owned and run America, no matter how idealistic that might feel, because they are already culturally dead. Native Americans are 4x4 driving casino operators now, they became Americans.
you advocate for assimilation, a form of cultural genocide
No I didn’t. Quote me where you believe I did. I said assimilation happened, I didn’t support or advocate for it. Show me which words I used in approval. Bet you can’t.
History will continue, and you will never see an Native American owned and run America, no matter how idealistic that might feel, because they are already culturally dead. Native Americans are 4x4 driving casino operators now, they became Americans.
condemning anti colonialism as idealistic because we finished the genocide this time is actually bad if you didn’t know
you immediately went ‘muh fair fight no exist’ after someone pointed out that colonizers used smallpox to kill people. Then had some useless lip service followed by a ‘well, they’re dead now, they lost’.
why the hell should I take you braindead slimeshits as anything but insidious.
you can read your own fucking sentence can’t you? motherfucker don’t you dare act like context and implication, an essential part of language, just doesn’t exist and nothing matters unless you say it word for word.
Quote them if its so easy, quote my exact specific words that say those things instead of your bullshit interpretation.
Funny thing about communication, telling somone else what they meant or said makes you automatically incorrect because they are the one communicating a message. If they say you don’t understand them you don’t understand. That’s called comprehension and yours sucks.
So, point out my specific words where I did anything other than make an objective statement. I’ll wait.
wasn’t that the whole previous conversation, why should I restate points you can read
woah misunderstanding can be malicious, and from the hostility im not getting a very good faith vibe (I don’t really care, but an acknowledgement of shared uncaring would be nice)
also I don’t care anymore, I have a bus stop to get off at and work to get to
Rich coming from the keyboard warrior. You called me a fascist coloniser and told me to go die. Either back up your words with proof or take your ignorant belligerent self and go high-five a power line.
Keyboard warrior- accuses someone who takes 3 seconds to reply to anything I put out
Defending Israel makes you a fascist. In any context. Looking at your history you seem to be a member of the imperial core, so you either benefit from colonialism or are a settler yourself.
And motherfucker you act like getting told to kill yourself like you should is somehow bad and then tell me to do the same. At least be consistent in your crocodile tears.
If more than one entity massacred people, it means massacre is okay? Very strange logic. Do bad things have to be done by only one entity to be considered bad?
No. Use surveys and you know when a third party is ready.
It will never happen as long as FPTP is in place. You might get realignments, but it will always snap back to two major parties and a smattering of parties that can at most be spoilers. Fortunately the way the US’s voting works allows some gradual introduction of other systems like ranked choice that will not result in wasting votes.
Furthermore if both parties are neoliberal then wasting a vote is not such a big problem.
It is if you care about the actual tangible effects of your vote. Take LGBTQ rights. Democrats are, as a general rule, far better than Republicans. Wasting your vote because neither of the two significant parties does exactly what you want on some issues means hanging vulnerable groups out to dry. And for what, to feel emotional satisfaction?
And FPTP will never go away while it benefits the only folks who go to the street to fight for things.
If you want change you’ll need to organize a movement to fight for it. Plenty of people out there wanting this system to change who would happily join movements to fight for this change but nobody is organizing such movements.
There’s already a movement fighting to change how we vote. Governmental bodies on the local and state level are experimenting with various options. It’s slow, quiet, and not very glamorous, but real progress is being made.
So make at least one of them a party with reasonable policies
Give them a voting base that they can do that with. You can disagree with policy all you want, but if the votes aren’t there then it’s hard for politicians to justify voting against their constituents. You’ll just get the present situation where a smattering of politicians support more left policies, but most Democrats are center-left.
Of course people care. That’s the lock-in.
Okay, but the problem is that those third parties have no chance of winning. If you deny the closest viable party your vote, they will just move rightward to try to capture votes they think they can feasibly win without alienating the middle. Stubbornly sitting in the extremes gets you little in situations where you have to compromise.
The problem is that leaves you with an unstable situation under FPTP. Let’s say that our fictional third party, the Yellow Party, is to the point where 40% goes to Republicans (right), 30% goes to Democrats (center-left), and 30% goes to Yellows (left). Now Republicans are winning despite Democrats and Yellows forming a majority. So Democrats are going to split at some point, arriving back at an equilibrium of approximately a 50-50 split between Republican-Democrats and Democrat-Yellows. So in essence, you’re right back where you started.
But you have a new party with better politics. Otherwise you argue that Democrats and Republicans already represent exactly the will of the population.
Both suck to be fair but Israel for me suck less. My reasoning mostly stem on their Ideology. Israel leans more to the US. Israel though recently leaning more to the extreme right, is still liberal compared to the rest of the nations in middle east. Woman has more freedom under Israel it seems.LGBT is more supported in Israel. For Hamas on the other hand has the same vibe for me with Taliban it doesn’t help that it is supported by Iran and Russia. As for Ukraine I support them since they lean more to the West (EU and the US) and they are more democratic than Russia. That’s my thought anyway.
Weeeeeeell…I like the Irish and I think they’ve been awesome all around (the IRA and their support for Palestine), but even by their mythology they apparently did colonize their lands ages ago; something about defeating the Tuatha De Danann who themselves defeated the Fir Bolg and the Fomorians. The De Danann, Fir Bolg and Fomorians are depicted as inhuman beings but I personally think these were peoples who lived in extremely ancient Ireland who were defeated by the ancestors of modern day Irish people, but then, this would have been quite a few thousand years ago anyway and holding it against them would be silly (basically it was so long ago that it’s not even concrete whether this myth has any basis in reality and certainly no trace of those peoples, their culture and their civilizations still exist; also even if you decide to believe the myth has some basis in reality behind it, Irish culture has not been a culture of colonizers for the last several thousand years).
That’s not really a culture of colonizers even during the height of Ancient Erin. A possible analog for a past group that very well could be a stand-in for inter proto-Irish conflicts as much as inter Gaelic ones is so tenuous at best. Most cultures have something like this, and it would be tantamount to saying there was an inherent colonial culture in the Ho-Chunk people because the Wąge-rucge man-eaters might be a cultural memory of another tribe their ancestors fought against.
There is a world of difference between human migration and conflicts arising therein and what we would identify as colonialism. Why even bring it up as such? Plus the Tuatha De Danann from even a quick search seem to be theorized to be Gaelic gods recontextualized into a post-Christianization culture. So it is literally not even from a culture of colonizers, but the reformatting of their own beliefs to a context of a cultural conversion. They seem to have come to mean “folk” or people much later and originally the term implied godliness. And then there is the PIE stuff and war between gods with humans in the middle which is foundational to a ton of places meaning it could either be remnants of a way more ancient myth shared with the Vedic and Norse etc, or a recontextualization of unique traditions subconsciously along the same lines as more eastern Europeans and Indo-European cultures. Least that’s how I view the Iliad elements in Irish myth, maybe a shared tradition or more likely later writers put characters and stories into a structure they already knew, ie the most recited myth in Europe.
We really need to be careful with history and modern terminology/conceptions. Cultures did not really remove one another necessarily, nor can we accurately talk about Bronze-Age and earlier cultures in strictly defined terms. We use names given to types of pottery we find to describe a general human presence in a large area across thousands of years. It is broad and ambiguous on purpose. Hell even more recent cases like the Germanic “colonization” of Celtic England is WAY more ambiguous than previous historians thought.
For that history and a good object lesson on how complicated human migration is to decode there is a great video by CambrianChronicles on Brythonic Britons and how they never disappeared www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FHRTpEhaAs
And that’s not to say that there was not a colonization and resistance in that case, far from it. There we have a material understanding of both cultures that can be defined even if the lines between the people of them is nonexistent in a practical sense. CambrianChronicles has several videos including one I LOVE on Arthur that drive home how originally Welsh/Briton Arthur was essentially a propaganda character for anti-imperialist movements. My point is the distinctions quickly disappear and framing there as being such a thing as “culture of colonizers” in a time when people hardly if at all identified themselves as having a culture is silly, applying it as far back as the etymological history and patchwork shifts in linguistic groups of the Bronze age is downright ahistoric. Especially with Celts, the very definition of which is hotly debated.
Another good POV is the short but wonderful history of the Bronze Age Collapse “1177: the year civilization ended” which shows some amazing research on how crises cause mass migration and why old models of how ancient Greeks came to Greece are pretty off base, with what was thought to be an invasion from the west by the Dorians might’ve been large refugee movements from Asia Minor which coincided with populations from Mycenean Greece fleeing eastward due to their problems. Heck the Sea Peoples are very possibly a phenomenon of various refugee crises and/or desperate moves by kingdoms we know for sure about trying to stay alive during what must’ve felt like an apocalypse.
You should not. But you should see the conditions under which Hamas has formed and how the Occupiers are at fault for this. The greater Palestinian cause is far more in the moral right than Israel has ever been.
“I support the fascistsdoing a genocide because they’re aligned with us and do our bidding” is the kind of honesty we’re looking for from liberals on foreign policy.
Genuinely, thank you for your honesty. Can you please tell the rest of the libs to communicate like this and we wouldn’t be as mean to them.
To be fair that is what both sides are doing China, Russia, US, EU, India and Iran. They all support those who do their bidding. Though I have a feeling everything is fascist on your dictionary that does not align with your view.
My reason is simple why I would align under the US, my country has mutual defense on them. The neighbouring country who is China claims major part of my country. The US offers free speech, they are willing to change no matter how slow. They may be messy but atleast they don’t prosecute their citizens for talking bad to their government. There is Women and LGBTQ rights. They got the big stick. What is your alternative?
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