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Urist, in It's a simple world view
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

Wherever there is a need there is potential for exploitation by greed. Of course capitalists without a leash are going to wreak havoc on everything.

dangblingus,

Capitalism by definition is about exploiting labor and extracting wealth. Commerce is the ethical application of purchasing goods and services.

Tak,
@Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

Why do you say commerce is specifically ethical? I’ve always considered it more neutral and up to implementation.

dangblingus,

Ethical as in it’s goods and services for currency. Ethical in that no one is being exploited actively. Commerce requires legislation.

Tak,
@Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

So the act of commerce is ethical but the source of the commerce might not be? I feel like I’m being really obtuse here and I apologize but goods and services could be stolen or forced and rarely is legislation enough. But I can totally see two unknowing people engaging in trade at their free will for items they don’t know are stolen.

I feel so pessimistic about the world at times that I find materialism and ethics just don’t mix.

maynarkh,

Commerce deals with the distribution of value, production with the creation of it. So let’s say there is a widget factory. If one person “owns” it and thousands work to make widgets, their production is stolen through ownership, which causes deeper issues beyond the obvious as well.

Commerce doesn’t cause problems as it’s just resolving a situation of swapping the widgets you made for carrots. Barring some market-twisting forces like the stock market for example, a simple free market where you’re happy with the amount of carrots you get for the amount of widgets you get is fine.

The evil of capitalism is not that you can trade. The evil of capitalism is that you go to work, and receive a fraction of the product of your work while someone else who does not work at all receives a lot of it.

Technically the current capitalist western system would be socialist, if employment without ownership would be outlawed, and coops were the enforced norm.

orl0pl,

♪ We live, We work, We buy/die ♪

TheSanSabaSongbird,

This is how the tankies roll; they want to define the terms of the argument however they want and then expect the rest of us to go along with it.

Tak,
@Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

I think you’re making a discussion into a spit fight for the sake of feeling better about yourself. I ask because I want to understand and for no other reason.

Urist,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

I think the ethical part may have to do with the following from Wikipedia on commerce:

The diversity in the distribution of natural resources, differences of human needs and wants, and division of labour along with comparative advantage are the principal factors that give rise to commercial exchanges.

I do not see how the commercial part is necessary for the distribution of goods though and recognize it as the main culprit in making such a system unethical. I.e., supplying needs is good and necessary, however a commercial platform is not.

maynarkh,

Not all socialists are tankies.

RIP_Cheems, (edited ) in Pragernant
@RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

For pregnant women, right?

misophist,

Do you understand how averages work?

If there are 8 billion people on this world and each one has one skeleton in them, then the average number of skeletons is one. If even one of those 8 billion people have two skeletons in them, then the average is slightly more than one.

So the average is more than one for pregnant people, but also for all people as a whole.

RIP_Cheems,
@RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

I wasn’t using my brain, so sorry.

GnomeKat,
@GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

common mistake

rabiddolphin, in We thought AI would take over but we forgot about the ants
@rabiddolphin@lemmy.world avatar

Ants have already taken over the world, you fools

Appoxo, in Imagine only being allowed to upvote something?
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Wait. Did they actually remove the downvote on reddit?

Anticorp,

No

CowsLookLikeMaps, (edited )

No. Just doesn’t display downvotes counts anymore.

Gormadt,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yeah the amount of posts I see just sitting at zero when all the comments are negative about the post is staggering

I’ve even down voted some just to see them pop right back to zero

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Have they ever (in the last 5 years)? I thought it’s always a total amount type of counter instead of the way lemmy does it.

Tbf I was using a 3rd party client or the new ui so pardon if it’s only the old ui.

Thekingoflorda,
@Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world avatar

No, some instances have downvotes disabled here on lemmy.

Gormadt, in In truth I was just at home, but a day off is a day off.
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’ll never forget the time my boss call me to have me come in to cover a shift that night while I was chilling on a mountain looking over to Mt Adams while eating my lunch

I was surprised my phone even rang given the location, he was surprised when I told him I was 9 hours from my apartment

I sent him a picture to prove where I was

He was not amused but he did tell me to take a bunch of pictures since I was out there

All in all it was a good day

Mirshe,

I had my manager try to call me in while I was on the other side of the country. He tried to tell me I hadn’t informed him of my vacation, so I sent him the picture and emails where I had listed my vacation in the scheduler. Then he told me I was lying, so I sent him a selfie of me in front of Fort Yellowstone.

flambonkscious,

Did that make the trip better or worse??

Gormadt,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Honestly better

Because me being unable to come in meant my boss has to cover that shift and he had already proven himself to be terrible at it

My boss and I had a hate hate relationship at that point

rabiddolphin, in I'm really getting over the enshitification of the internet.
@rabiddolphin@lemmy.world avatar

I hate it too and don’t deny it’s happening but I hate that phrase. It’s so crass and juvenile and seeing it repeated ad nauseam has shed any critical meaning it had.

This is a siege. You’re being terrorized.

Valmond, in Heritage

What would the European equivalent be to “crackers”? I feel like its white idiots somehow but that that’s not the whole story?

I’m from the time when you learned was WASP was :-)

yeather,

White Anglo Saxon Protestant. That term is actually fairly narrow when you think of it. In truth there are no truly great catch all white slurs, only great slurs for groups of different whites.

Valmond,

That was what I figured, WASP isn’t equal (totally or at all? Hence my question) to “cracker”.

yeather,

Cracker is a more general term i guess, while WASP is a specific sub group of white people. There really isn’t any good alternatives to cracker. The only good white slurs are to specific sub groups.

victron, in Me when my friends complain about Twitter/X being a cesspool
@victron@programming.dev avatar

No one joins mastodon

gedaliyah,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

15 million people are nobody?

lanigerous,

Mastodon joins you

Nusm,
@Nusm@yall.theatl.social avatar

“In Russia, Mastodon joins you!”

–The punchline to every Yakov Smirnoff joke.

Anticorp, in Dreams reveal was lackluster..

Who are the top two people?

may_nya, in I'm really getting over the enshitification of the internet.

web 2 alienation

EvolvedTurtle, in If pants wore pants...

Right Because the left would get significantly more difficult once you start adding more pants

stebo02, in Pragernant
@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

why did she put a balloon underneath her dress?

Viking_Hippie,

Because she’s a silly Billie that’s known to pull such pranks.

GrammatonCleric, (edited ) in Me when my friends complain about Twitter/X being a cesspool
@GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world avatar

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  • Osa-Eris-Xero512,

    Who choose to exist at the nazi bar that Twitter has become.

    gedaliyah,
    @gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

    There are literally published studies that show Twitter has tweaked the algorithm to promote the most vile and extremist right wing media while at the same time cooling the spread of moderate voices.

    Anyone still hanging out at the bar run by Nazis and full of Nazis and funding Nazis is either deluded in thinking that they can change the vibe of the party, or they just plain like the vibe.

    Pickle_Jr, in Me when my friends complain about Twitter/X being a cesspool

    I use Megalodon as my Mastodon client and Sync as my Lemmy client right now. Does anybody know of any clients which work for both Lemmy and Mastodon at the same time on Android?

    Alternatively, any good Kbin clients? 😊

    jelloeater85,
    @jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

    I used both as well, they are amazing.

    AgentGrimstone, in If pants wore pants...

    Okay, which one of you wears pants on each leg?

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