Can someone explain the update to me . I mostly just use it for one discord server that a smaller streamer that I know personally and haven’t really noticed anything 🤷
It put messages in their own section that is distinctly separate from the server list. A good change in my opinion and they didn’t do it like slack where they took up more screen real estate so there literally isn’t a downside other than “that’s not where I’m used to clicking”
One of the biggest downsides is visible. The color changes make the app unusable for some people and my fiancé had to stop entirely because it gave them a headache every time they tried it no matter what theme they used.
What color changes? If you’re talking about a bug obviously it will be fixed after some time. Other than that I didnt see any color change. I especially like the new nightime theme that is full black.
The default themes (both light and dark mode) are low contrast. I don’t know why anyone would have gray text in light mode but they managed to mess that up.
DMs are now accessible by the menu bar on the bottom. Before it was at the top of the server list
user list is now only accessible by pressing a button on top of the screen
swipe on a message to reply to it.
colours have been tweaked to be less contrasted
As for my thoughts:
IDC about DMs
I look at the user list more often than I reply to people, so I rather swipe to see it. Even more than before, replying only needed a long tap on the message that would be in thumb reach, and now you needed to stretch out your thumb to reach the user list button (that is a search icon)
I don’t suffer from any particular contrast eye issues, but for those that does, contrast is pretty important.
No communication. This update breaks a lot of muscles memory, and it’s forced upon you even if you don’t like it. The old UX was completely fine too.
desktop/mobile discrepancy. Before, mobile was a lot like desktop, but now some thing are moved and you need to learn two interfaces
There is talks that it’s more buggy and slower than before, but I can’t objectively prove it
If you like the new ui, then that’s great. But there’s clearly people who don’t for great reasons.
The reasons might be fine, but my opinion is that is whole thing is a little bit… Blown out of proportion.
Just on a couple of your points:
The muscle memory point is very valid, but that boils down to not liking change for changes sake. Muscle memory can always be rewired, and it will take less time than you think it will.
The discrepancy between desktop and mobile has always been there, imo. So many of the desktop features were crammed away into menus and submenus that were hard to use on mobile. With a new mobile-centric design, we may not know where everything is yet, but it’ll likely be easier to access once we get more familiar with it.
The other thing for me is that Discord is the messaging app I prefer, by a long shot. If they see this as an opportunity to add SMS linking to their feature set, and allow users to then also bridge those from the mobile to desktop version, it would solve a lot of communication issues I have, having everything in one place.
I used to use sleepyti.me until it was bought by some shitty company that sells mattresses or something and subsequently went to ugly bloated ad-infested “modernized” shit.
I just checked again for the first time in a while and it seems to have improved since it was first redesigned, though it’s still not as simple and lightweight as it once was.
Anyways. It helped when I used it. Kept a shortcut right on my home screen for the longest time. If you can look past the stupid brand name they’ve chosen to redirect to, it’s worth a shot.
More like at the Taylor Swift or Rap concert where people dont respect pit etiquette.
But a long time ago i went to a faceless show and some dickbag brought brass knuckles to the pit. They had to stop the show to arrest the guy and an ambulance came.
Do they force you into it anyways? Two jobs ago I told them that all the time. They used to make us fill out a career advancement plan every year, and every year I said “I’m exactly where I want to be”, but every 6 months they’d stick me at the head of some team and I’d have to do that for a few months until I weasled my way out of it.
Yes, the UI in Slack is more cryptic after the update. I had some difficulties with searching for messages in the new design. I think you can’t open the search results in context anymore IIRC. Also the change of color scheme. They didn’t even bother to change all the icons to match the new color or they just made the change so quickly they didn’t have time to.
oh, I didn’t do any searching with new design. I extensively use search. it’d be bad if they break it. true for colours. their own colour scheme makes text difficult to read.
but I use custom colour scheme(Dracula theme), so have been spared of that.
My family does secret santa where you put at least 3 things on your wishlist and they pick one to get for you. When someone this year suggested changing it to a white elephant/Yankee swap there was a unanimous NO because with secret santa you actually get something you want/need.
Lemmy’s biggest competitor at this point isn’t reddit, it’s Discord, or rather, the monster it has become. It seems to me that instead of creating a subreddit nowadays, every project now wants to use a Discord server for everything.
The problem with that is:
Asking messages in a big, open chatroom (over, say, 20 people) gets real messy, real quickly.
Conversations on Discord are difficult to follow when multiple of them are going at once.
The conversations containing solutions to problems in chat or threads are not search indexable, which is the reason why reddit became quietly dominant in search results, it is simply the biggest centralized repository of organized English language text conversations available.
So why do people insist on using Discord servers to build their community? Simple, it’s the network effect. If somebody wants tech support, it’s way easier to click a Discord invite on an account for group chat you already have than it is to sign up for yet another forum that you only use once. But Lemmy doesn’t suffer from that problem of traditional forums because of federation.
Which brings me to my point, if Lemmy is to grow, it’s better to sell Lemmy to disgruntled Discord admins and forum owners to move their community than it is to get people to move off reddit at this point, since people who wants to leave reddit has all done so at this point.
Discord is the same problem for the internet as the Facebook grups were. Its hermetic, the info stays there, its hard to search thus the same problem is being asked over and over. StackOverflow and Reddit strength is that’s they are indexed and easy accessed
Discord is really bad for preservation of information. I can still find forum posts from 10 years ago on a given topic all over, but discord links seem to expire and break all the damn time and it’s hard to search through. It sucks that discord has become the defacto choice for user community space.
Lenny does part of this yes. Fediverse is the bigger ticket item. From a single account I can federate to different networks and post questions or have other interactions in different formats.
Discord sucks, but I’ve actually had a 100% successful help rate on it vs Reddit or Lemmy.
Typically Discord servers have specific tech support rooms, and you’ll get help pretty quickly. Only once I have had to ask my question a second time, because it was missed the first time.
Meanwhile Reddit threads just get downvoted, buried, and you’re never helped. Even when I try to search for threads that other people have posted, 90% of threads are just blank.
Lemmy is the worst. Doesn’t matter what you need, they’ll just call you stupid and tell you to use Linux and FOSS alternative, ignoring the fact you NEED to use what you’re asking help with.
A forum should work in tandem with a chatroom in an “ideal” online community, imo. Searchable Q&A with a communication for additional, nuanced interaction. They serve different purposes and can be more powerful when used together, than they could be on their own.
Lemmy does seem to have a bunch of old, crotchety internet nerds on here that like the “old ways” of the webs. But just tell 'em to “go fuck yourself”, if they’re being a dick; and than don’t reply to them again. It’s very freeing. They’re just butt sensitive about linux and foss, cause they were bullied on early internet forums and now act the same way, when expressing their loud-ass opinions. It’s like an unfortunate cycle of abuse that has existed on forums, but don’t let it discourage you from asking anyway… the question might help others
I’m a crotchety old internet nerd… tell me to “go fuck myself”, just for funsies! It’s empowering!
I feel like Discord fills a different need than forum type systems.
The one API I have on discord, likes Discord as a place for casual chat about the system. I think the devs prefer it because it is an active place for the community; to word it better, ‘hey look at this cool thing I did’ > response within a few minutes ‘that’s cool’ heart^5 fire^3 thumbs up^7. Whereas on a forum you’d be waiting for hours, or just not have that casual of a conversation.
It replaces the old usage of IRC servers.
The help channel is highly responsive, and great for things you want a quick chat about, need a response now, or if you get help now great, but if not, you’ll figure it out on your own before you would ever get help on a forum, so it’s not worth posting to a forum.
Threads really do help organize when a discussion is going to be large, and discord is very much searchable, just not from your browser search engine.
For changes to the API, ideas, issues, or bugs, they direct you to github “Discussions” or “Issues”. They do have an idea discord channel, but it’s a more casual thing, or far out there discussions.
Discord does get a lot of hate for it’s searchability, which is valid, but I don’t have a problem with it as long as places like Stack Overflow (or what replaces it) are still around.
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