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    Godric, in Pay up

    Crimes punishable by fines are only crimes for poor people.

    7heo, (edited )
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    brotkel, in Pay up
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    You know they had to add the $200 fine afterwards because the instant death part wasn't enough of a deterrent for some people.

    unionagainstdhmo,
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    And the skulls are next to the fine not the instant death part…

    EvolvedTurtle,

    Yeah at this point $200 for instant death is too expensive

    Letstakealook,

    Sounds like the Futurama suicide booth. I mean, what’s 2 bills matter? Can’t take it with you.

    hddsx, in Quality OC on Lemmy for the hahas

    … as someone who drinks loose leaf tea I am offended my the first and last panels lol

    gronjo45, in History

    Are there any good resources to learn more about the vast tribes the North American continent was home to? I’ve always felt ignorant to the rich history and connection with the Earth that the tribes held and passed down.

    Not sure about the accuracy of the top map, but it looks like that format could be a great educational opportunity.

    On a lighthearted note, if you’re from the bay, give Café Ohlone a visit! I had the pleasure of meeting the two head chefs at an event where they cooked for the audience. They showed how candy cap mushrooms, acorn flour, and a duck egg could be incorporated into a brownie mix. I can’t speak for the actual restaurant, but it was delicious what they made :)

    MediciPrime,

    Check out the book, ‘An Indigenous People’s History of the United States by Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz.’

    It’s claims are backed up w/ extensive citations.

    TranscendentalEmpire,

    Unfortunately, not really for the majority of tribes. What we so know is that by the time Europeans had made real efforts to expand westward in North America, The Great Dying had already killed 75-90% of the native population.

    Basically, North America had already endured around 200 years of civilization and population collapse starting in 1450. So even what the tribes know about themselves has to be viewed in the perspective of a people who had just lost 90% of their population in a few generations.

    TexMexBazooka,

    Whoa, do you have a source on that? That’s an incredible piece of context

    TranscendentalEmpire,

    Here is a decent explanation.

    People forget that from the time Christopher Columbus arrived to when Europeans began expanding past the Appalachia is a span of 300 years. That’s longer than we’ve been in a country.

    American expansion would not have been possible without hundreds of years of what is basically a Continent wide apocalypse. Culture just doesn’t survive that level of sustained trauma unchanged.

    OrteilGenou,

    Does Lemmy also hug sites to death?

    MossyFeathers,

    When it comes to extant tribes, many of them have web pages with info about them. The depth of information varies from tribe to tribe, I think typically encapsulating whatever the tribe feels comfortable sharing publicly. However when it comes to extinct tribes, much of what you’ll find will probably be spotty and questionable, as what is known is likely the result of archeology and accounts from nearby tribes.

    It’s really frustrating how difficult it is to learn about the native cultures as someone on the outside. It gets glossed over in school and what you hear in pop culture is often heavily skewed or butchered to put on a good show for the audience. Then, because of how much of it gets butchered, chopped and screwed, the people who actually know the real stories become understandably protective and reluctant to share them. It’d be nice if there was a central, wikipedia-like site run by the tribes where you could learn about their stories and traditions.

    ZzyzxRoad,

    The Canary Effect is an amazing documentary about the genocide of Indigenous peoples in North America. It is free on YT. It was where I first learned how brutal the reality was and how devastating to the population. It also shows how it meets the UN definition of genocide. Amazing how we are raised in the US and this is not only ignored in history class, but is instead framed as Indigenous people living happily in Spanish missions and having Thanksgiving with pilgrims.

    If you get a chance to read about John Trudell, he had a fascinating life. He was the spokesman for the American Indian Movement when they occupied Alcatraz in protest of the US breaking their land treaty. The government did not stop terrorizing him and his family after that. There’s also an amazing documentary about him but it’s been a long time since I’ve seen it. I think it may just be called “John Trudell.”

    Both of these will make you walk away angry though.

    Anonymousllama, in History

    So the same as literally every other country in existence yeah?

    Bayz0r,

    Nah, not even close. Educate yourself on the history of other countries before you try calling them out.

    Omega_Haxors,

    The whole “oh everyone is doing it” take is fascist as fuck as well. I hear it all the time from neoliberal monsters.

    Omega_Haxors,

    Technically the Bri’ins (living in Bri’in) are indigenous.

    “Oi Bruv, i’m indigginus.”

    cyclohexane,

    Yeah uhh… Not at all, actually.

    dodgy_bagel,

    Not really, actually.

    That’s usually just an empire thing.

    ericatty, in I'm an adult. I can go to bed whenever I want

    I stared at this way too long wondering what a Cheesy Poof on the sidewalk had to do with coffee.

    In my defense, I’m scrolling before going to sleep and my morning coffee has long since worn off.

    socsa, in You have to.

    The bulk rice aisle in the grocery store.

    BonesOfTheMoon,

    YES. That too.

    Grass,

    To me this is the only one. I only touch dirt with gloves and/or plain bar soap crammed under my nails.

    XTornado, in let the bullshit flow through me

    I am a conduit of shit, I eat goes through me and shit.

    Franzia,

    Beware the shit -> shit pipeline

    AlligatorBlizzard, in Does mountain dew taste better than black tea? Yes. Does it also cost 30 times as much to get the caffeine fix? Yes.

    I drank a lot of sweet tea and mountain dew in high school and occasionally coffee, then switched to energy drinks in college. Until I did the math on the energy drinks and bought a Keurig, which is convenient enough that I stopped my daily energy drink habit and saved a ton of money. Are there cheaper ways to get caffeine? Yes. Will my sleep disordered ass use any of them? No.

    ericbomb,

    So post was actually inspired by a guy who was a rep for gas stations, so spent his day driving from gas station to gas station to like take inventory, make orders, and what not.

    Where at each gas he would buy a single energy drink for like 5 a day.

    Buying energy drinks exclusively from gas stations has to be the least cost effective way to get caffeine.

    So while your coffee machine isn’t the cheapest… by the stars you’re miles ahead of that guy.

    Nukken,

    You can buy a tub of coffee for $10 that will last you several months.

    obinice, in Pay up
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    Newcastle wouldn’t be issuing fines in anything but pound sterling :P

    TheSaneWriter,
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    Maybe it's Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia? They would be using Australian dollars, with $ as the currency symbol.

    Starburn,

    As a Novocastrian I approve of this message.

    dlok, in Hmmmm

    Where is a good place to start to learn about this conflict. I have no idea who is in the right here.

    muad_dibber,
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    American_Communist22,
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    palestine was there first, Israel is a far right state dedicated to a colonialism of Palestine

    Israel is the wrong side.

    VentraSqwal,

    If you considered nothing that’s happened since the beginning, maybe, but a lot has happened since then, including a massacre the other day where peaceful musical festival attendees and civilians in their homes were murdered, raped, and kidnapped.

    While I agree that Israel is not the good guy here, it’s a bit more nuanced than just that now. Hamas has done lots of atrocities and now it’s more of an Everyone Sucks Here situation. Murder and rape of civilians are not okay (and yes, even the murders Israel has done, although I do find the rape and the targets escalates this latest atrocity into something more viscerally horrible).

    Not to mention Hamas is also pretty far-right, also desires genocide, they just don’t have the power to do it.

    American_Communist22,
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    where peaceful musical festival attendees

    Oh my god that was so fucking funny. Dance near a concentration camp and you deserve to be shot. Literally right on the fence they used to ‘keep out the Palestinians’.

    although the rape is not something im chill with, thats fucking evil, they deserved to be judged (but not by israelis).

    Kidnapping though is completely justified. Hostage exchange is something they want to do to de-escalate the situation. They said that they would only be killed ‘one for each dead Palestinian’ in any counter-attack. Israel said they didn’t care and started to glass Gaza. Israel is far more murderous than the Hamas ever could be.

    Just because there is nuance doesn’t rob any side of being right.

    scottywh,

    Goddamn, that’s a fucked up take you got there.

    American_Communist22,
    @American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    what? which part?

    They tried nonviolence, and the IDF killed thousands of them for it. Violence is the only option

    Basuliic,

    Wow, you are so stupid. I wish you to be there right now.

    American_Communist22,
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    I would start shooting as many IDF members as possible

    cyclohexane,

    Hamas is not even a fraction of the concern that Israel is. Casualties are not even order of magnitudes close. Even the horrific ways in which Israel has tortured and murdered Palestinians is unmatched by Hamas, despite it being a militia rather than an organized army judged by the international community.

    Israel has burned children alive, they have officials who bragged about raping and torturing children, they make people destroy their own homes by THEIR OWN HANDS. And this is while Israel has the upper hand, yet it is still the more horrifying of the two by many orders of magnitude. Comparing the two is sickening.

    oshaboy,

    There’s an old crash course world history video about it

    Edit: Oh someone already linked it.

    cryostars,

    Righteous Victims by Benny Morris is a pretty good start. It only covers up to around the year 2000 if I remember correctly

    neptune,

    Nobody is, and that’s the wrong question to ask.

    dlok,

    In that case I need to figure out the right question to ask

    neptune,

    I mean, yeah, that’s the hard part of life.

    somenonewho,

    I understand and appreciate you trying to learn. I think one of the issues why nobody can really point you to a good resource is that there are no 100% neutral resources that document “the conflict”. Even just where/when you start something like a timeline can be biased.

    Keeping all that in mind I have found a video that gives a short simplified summary of the base history.

    youtu.be/1wo2TLlMhiw?si=_ANEgker8DzQZQxR

    I liked it (might be part of my bias since I like crash course). But I’m sure there are mistakes in there and as above some details/framing might just be due to biases of the author’s/presenters etc.

    dlok,

    Yeah definitely a problem finding truly unbiased information. I’m paranoid my whole world view is shaped by western rule even though there is more free speech here than anywhere else… or is that idea also propaganda lol

    I will give that a watch when I have some time later thank you.

    erev,
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    Tbh this gets you down a very weird rabbit hole, especially if you’re in tech. When you start to look at cybersecurity and the direction it’s heading, a lot of cutting edge stuff uses a zero trust framework. cybersecurity as a field has realized that information and data is so ubiquitous at this point that it cannot be trusted at all and has to be authenticated and checked at every step. That’s real defense in depth there; making sure that every level independently audits the information it uses within the context it needs.

    But speaking as someone studying cybersecurity and is getting entrenched in the field & community, once you learn how much you can trust trust you really get a baseline level of paranoia. And to be honest, in my opinion the only thing to do is embrace it. It’s difficult and you’ll probably want to fuck off and become Amish, but once you see information as just information to be used, consumed, manipulated, and shared as needed the possibilities really open up. The future is only going to be more information and data dependent. Being able to intuitively tap into that is like a super power.

    comfy,
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    Honestly, trying to find a definitive ‘in the right’ of any large-scale conflict is tough, almost moot. Especially since moral values like ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ are subjective, and that small groups of powerful people may not represent a whole. Complex reality doesn’t fall neatly into these ideals of right and wrong.

    Basuliic,

    Here is all clear.

    clanginator, (edited )

    If you want a book, 100 Years War on Palestine does an excellent job going over everything up to 2017.

    Very in-depth, full picture of everything that’s happened from 1917 (what just about everyone considers to be the beginning of the modern conflict), including errors and crimes committed by both sides. The author is Palestinian and obviously not neutral, but is far from extremist, and comes at things with a historical/academic rigor.

    There are many other books/resources of course, but at least as far as getting a decent idea of what actually happened thus far, it’s a very good history of the conflict, major players and the geopolitics associated.

    Fraylor,

    I think you either mean rigor, or rigeuer, which is short for de rigeuer and more related to fashion rather than academic credibility.

    clanginator,

    yeah lol edited

    Basuliic,

    The one who lives civilian and not murder infants and not spending all money on rockets instead of developing own cities and culture. Oh, and not claiming wrong claims, not deceiving others. They are terrorist, lyers and complete garbage just as Russians and Iranians are right now.

    Arabs came to those lands at 600 year while Israely ancestors were there from 10000 b.c.

    BreakDecks,

    Neither party is in the right. Israel is a violent apartheid state, and Palestine is large ruled by a terrorist organization. Both Israelis and Palestinians have the right to exist, but neither side’s leadership respects each other’s existence.

    The victims in all of this are both the Israeli and Palestinian citizens, so taking a side isn’t really a sound option. I am failing to see anyone who aligns as pro-Israel or pro-Palestine make coherent arguments about what happened this week. The only reasonable alignment is to be anti-war, anti-terrorism, and anti-apartheid.

    erev,
    @erev@lemmy.world avatar

    I place some — not uniformly distributed, only on those that do this — blame on the Israeli citizens that knowingly move into a recently captured area. They’re literally colonizing the Palestinians land. I don’t fuck with colonizers.

    Kushia,
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    I’m curious about how this is done. Do they just kick Palestinians out of their homes or do they make new towns or what exactly happens that is so effective at displacing others?

    erev, (edited )
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    Iirc they literally just take over some land, forcibly remove or execute anyone who won’t leave, and then they move in and start building. Literal colonizer behavior.

    Edited with a source:

    aljazeera.com/…/how-israel-backs-settlers-to-conf…

    OceanSoap, in Does mountain dew taste better than black tea? Yes. Does it also cost 30 times as much to get the caffeine fix? Yes.

    Uh. Yeah, but you have to drink like 12 cups of tea to get to one cup of similar caffeine in coffee.

    So, it’s actually cheaper to make coffee at home.

    ericbomb,

    Okay that probably depends on brands and like what you add to coffee/tea. But the true enemy is energy drinks.

    charles,
    @charles@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s not true. Depending on bean extraction and quantity, a standard “cup” of coffee will have 100-200mg of caffeine. Black tea bags have around 40-60. A good rule of thumb is about 4x. Getting shit tier coffee goes for about $8/lb and will make around 30 cups, so about 25c per cup. So compared to the meme, coffee is still more expensive per mg of caffeine.

    Edit: on Amazon you can get 200mg tablets for about 8c each. So that would be your best bang for the buck. Semi related, an old coworker would dissolve a caffeine pill in hot water and call it “Mormon coffee”; he was a character.

    Catweazle,
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    @charles @OceanSoap, if you compare a first class coffee with shitty english teebags, maybe, A good Darjeeling FGOP is way more expensive than coffee per mg of caffeine.

    FormerlyChucks, in History

    Yeah sorry but conquest was the standard at the time.

    cyclohexane,

    If more than one entity massacred people, it means massacre is okay? Very strange logic. Do bad things have to be done by only one entity to be considered bad?

    ThePenitentOne, in May as well buy burgers in the US, since you already paid for most of it through taxes!

    Absolutely fucked up that your taxes go to supporting animal abuse whether you like it or not. Although, arguably worse is how many people don't even give the animals' suffering a second thought and just take the selfish path. Even fucking stupider is that chicken can be bought at the same price as tofu per kg. Like what the shit? Stop subsidising it. It's environmentally destructive and incredibly immoral.

    nodsocket,

    I’ve always thought that vegan activists would be a lot more successful if they could end these meat subsidies, instead of harassing the public. If the price of meat triples no one is going to be eating meat regardless of their politics.

    clanginator,

    Yeah but good luck getting anything passed when the GOP and all of the animal agriculture lobbying industry will be screaming from the rooftops about how everyone’s favorite foods will be more expensive.

    nodsocket,

    “THEY’RE TAKIN AWAY OUR BERGERS!”

    Fiivemacs,

    That’s exactly the reason this would never happen. The outrage would be uncontrollable.

    ThePenitentOne,

    Forcing people to do something is easier than making them change wilfully. But people still should have the moral integrity to make the right choice regardless. Plus, people are so propagandised and indoctrinated by the industry from politicians and other bullshit that it would be an incredibly hard battle to fight.

    Ataraxia,

    Change zoning laws so I can raise my own in my backyard other than just chickens. I have no problem raising and slaughtering my food. No need for factory farms.

    Fiivemacs,

    Incoming pitbull-bull hybrids

    LemmysMum,

    How about we all raise our own cattle.

    Since we can’t modify suburbia to accommodate that many cattle let alone the additional waste, how about we make specially designated places where we can send all our cows to live.

    And since everyone travelling back and forth to look after their cattle would be highly impractical how about we designate a handful of individuals to care for all of the cattle so everyone else can worry about their other jobs.

    And since it’s difficult for a single family to store and consume a whole cow, how about we designate a group of people to slaughter and process them into more manageable pieces.

    And since everyone going to one place to get their meat and somewhere else to get the rest of their produce, how about we just sell them in one place together.

    It’s almost like we know how this works out and should just improve the regulations around caring for our food while it’s alive.

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