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bananabattery, in Don't give Elon more money.

Haha, my Tesla is awesome. Drive one.

Echo71Niner, in Don't give Elon more money.

His fans went from worshiping him and buying his cars to now selling their Tesla’s, ditching Twitix, and wanting to narc on Elon lol. Just amazing, how his luck, of his own doing, changed. However, he did get up there right? Where else is he going to go but down. I wonder who is the next person to replace until they get X’ed.

bastion,

Setting them up and burning them down. Someday, it’s your turn.

Awoo, in Lemmy might, MIGHT have a small bias towards the left

You literally left Reddit because of what capitalism did to it.

dartos,

Yeah but capitalism also made reddit great, before making it terrible.

There’s a balance in there somewhere. What we got ain’t it tho.

space_comrade,

Yeah but capitalism also made reddit great

Engineers and designers made it great. Reddit could very well exist without capitalism (see Lemmy). What fucked up Reddit was explicitly capitalist incentives.

ProxyTheAwesome,

Reddit was never great lmaoo

It was a pedo networking tool reknowned worldwide for it’s jailbate and non-consensual creepshots. These moderators received awards from admins. Then it got too much attention and got a PR workover, burning a woman CEO at the stake to satiate the gamer-fascists before becoming a bland Atlanticist CIA sockpuppet front of bland corporate posts.

At no point during this entire thing did it ever approach anything comparable to greatness

SouthEndSunset,

Are you saying you used Reddit for its jailbait etc subs? Cause Reddit was much more than it’s jailbait subs.

Egon,
@Egon@hexbear.net avatar
SouthEndSunset,

Egon,
@Egon@hexbear.net avatar
SouthEndSunset,

Do you have a point?

Egon,
@Egon@hexbear.net avatar
SouthEndSunset,

Go on…

Egon,
@Egon@hexbear.net avatar

Did you click the comment?

SouthEndSunset,

You’re right. Your comment was very well written, and backed up with so much evidence. I shouldn’t be questioning it.

Egon,
@Egon@hexbear.net avatar

Thank you, glad you can admit when you’re wrong. It shows growth.

PIGPOOPBALLS

SouthEndSunset,

Lol. Google “facetious” and “sarcasm”.

Egon,
@Egon@hexbear.net avatar

I can’t unfortunately. Putin doesn’t allow me to use google while I spread disinformatsiya sadness

SouthEndSunset,

That made me laugh.

dartos,

I meant the platform more than the company.

It’s my favorite format for social media… that’s why I’m on lemmy.

FunkyStuff,

communism made lemmy so where does that leave us

Suoko,
@Suoko@feddit.it avatar

I guess ‘a lot of free spare time in a socialized copitalism’ made lemmy.

quarrk,

us-foreign-policyactivity = (forProfit) ? “Work” : “Hobby”

Bobby_DROP_TABLES,

There is no balance though, the shit-ification that happened to Reddit is a necessary function of capitalism. What we saw as Reddit at its best was, from a capitalist’s perspective, Reddit at its worst. I’m sure you’ve noticed a similar process taking place in lots of other areas as well.

Kidplayer_666,

I left Reddit because of short term decisions to squeeze money out of consumers to look good in an IPO, instead of having an actual long term thought.

Egon,
@Egon@hexbear.net avatar

That’s capitalists doing things because they exist in a capitalist society. You’re describing capitalism congratulations

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Tell me how you were harmed by capitalism, without telling me you were harmed by capitalism.

Egon,
@Egon@hexbear.net avatar

Why’d you just repeat @Awoo statement?

johnrobbespiere,

So, capitalism?

Elon_Musk,
@Elon_Musk@hexbear.net avatar

Thank you for proving the theory.

Avnar,

Does Long therm thought make money in the short term?

ThereRisesARedStar,

You do realize that the incentives of capitalism necessitate that right?

Awoo,

You left reddit because of capitalism. What is an IPO? It is the launch of a business onto the public capital markets to release equity and to enrich its existing owners. What do all businesses on the markets operate on? Short term growth for the next financial quarter optimised to enrich their investors (shareholders) in the shortest amount of time possible.

Capitalism consistently destroys everything you enjoy and yet you defend it relentlessly while asking for long term thinking, which is not a feature of capitalism. When you wake up to this reality you might actually start to question “maybe the socialists are right about a few things” and spend some time with us learning what we actually believe.

Kidplayer_666,

But you know what happened after Reddit turned to crap? Because no one actually has to use Reddit, because Reddit is just a bunch of bored nerds and Reddit is just a bunch of forums, eventually someone realised: “wait a minute, I can code this in a few weeks and make it way less crappy than most social media. And maybe if I make it all open, a whole ecosystem of social networks can grow together”. And when Reddit turned to crap, “the invisible hand” acted and people slowly started to migrate over to lemmy and other social media and now reddit is just a bunch of bots

Awoo,

A few weeks?

Mate please check my profile. I have been here for 3 fucking years. Lemmy did not magically appear in a few weeks that is incredibly offensive to the sheer amount of work my comrades have put in to make it.

And calling their work “the invisible hand of the market” is also nonsensical. Because the forces driving its creation, and the rest of us communists that support it, are the destruction of the markets. There is not one single jot of profit motive involved in Lemmy. You seem to recognise some of the problems of capitalism but consistently come to incorrect conclusions about everything because you have spent no time whatsoever getting a real political education and understanding the forces at work.

And you fail to ask yourself what happens to your “market forces” alternative to reddit. In any scenario where the market is responsible for replacing reddit the market will also bring it back to exactly the same point of self-destruction through pursuit of capital. You will hurt yourself all over again.

Lucidlethargy,

No, we left Reddit because of what Spez did to it.

Leadership is important when it impacts the bottom. Look at Twitter… That wasn’t capitalism, it was Elon Musk.

I’m not propping up capitalism, I’m just pointing out that bad leaders can easily ruin successful and/or good things.

epicspongee,

No, we left Reddit because of what Spez did to it.

And why did he do that?

ddeet, in "Reduce stress" lol ok

true

AlecSadler, in Don't give Elon more money.

I resemble this…sort of. Except my car is already paid for and I really don’t think it’s a wise decision to just blow money on another car simply to get out of a current vehicle that more than meets my needs.

masterspace,

Fuck literally every gasoline car driver on the road more than you. I don’t own and hope to never own a car and Elon Musk can suck a fat fucking chode but a Tesla is still more respectable than every fossil fuel guzzling, planet destroying gasoline vehicle of comparable price

Wanderer, in Don't give Elon more money.

The Elon hate is super cringe.

Like every other CEO is a great guy. Yea go buy off a car company that has done everything in their power to keep you using fossil fuels and everything possible to sell you the biggest shitties car with the most expensive features. Much better idea.

TheBroodian, in Lemmy might, MIGHT have a small bias towards the left

The bias is justified. The left is correct. Markets don’t create wealth without necessarily simultaneously creating poverty

GarbageShoot, in Lemmy might, MIGHT have a small bias towards the left

“Me saying that if I had a genie in a bottle I could marginally improve the world”

bandario, in *patriotic guitar twangles*
@bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It’s pretty funny that the expectation on any man who picks up a guitar these days is not that he has a decent voice to go with, it’s that his political ideology is “correct” and cohesive and that he makes sure to convey the entire thing in a 4 minute song.

The people getting their knickers in twist over this song are lost.

Cleverdawny,

Dude, no one is above getting mocked. Stop it with the butthurt lol

BurgerPunk, in Lemmy might, MIGHT have a small bias towards the left
@BurgerPunk@hexbear.net avatar

To paraphrase this cool guy named Ernesto: Its not our fault reality is marxist che-si

ArieTheFloof, in Real fake doors

As someone who was once a JW, can confirm

soullioness,
@soullioness@lemmy.ca avatar

The things they do now are way more crazy than when I left some years ago. They’re a very dangerous organization. They thoroughly manipulate you. Not to mention that they’re bleeding money from legal problems mostly related to systemic defence and concealment of a whole lot rape, mostly children.

If anyone reading this is considering joining the JWs first look into these allegations. It’s a very real and serious problem.

SomeBoyo,

What made you leave?

cubedsteaks,

its a garbage religion that lets children die by refusing blood transfusions.

Wage_slave, in Stop! and proceed...
@Wage_slave@lemmy.ml avatar

Y’all are the real heroes. As the days go by on Lemmy, my subs list keeps getting better. because of users like you.

If I could send you a tote bag, I would.

imgonnatrythis, in Real fake doors

Fyi, this is level one training. In level three there is a shirtless guy with a shotgun that calls you homophobic derogatory names.

Wage_slave,
@Wage_slave@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s Fred. He is actually a real super nice guy. Wen through training with him. He tried to have the homophobic content changed to just vulgar, but no dice. He’d have to transfer over to level two, and well, they are nice guys, but kinda the short bus crew of the whole operation.

Tell him Dave from naked drunk guy crew four on level six says hello and his advice about the pills really did save my job and marriage.

dingus, in Lemmy might, MIGHT have a small bias towards the left
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

Socialists don’t hate markets, they hate workers not having any power or democratic choice in how they interact in the market.

Workers owning the means of production just means the workers are doing the same work but they are in ownership of the factory and the profits. They will still sell the products they produce in a marketplace.

masquenox,

They will still sell the products they produce in a marketplace.

There is no rule that states they have to sell squat in a marketplace. They could, but they also couldn’t. That’s the whole point of the workers owning the means of production - the workers involved makes those deicisions, not a capitalist or bureaucratic parasite class.

hglman,

I, a socialist, hate markets. They are simplistic and functional artifacts of the available way to pass information.

wewbull,

So, you would never trade with someone else something you have for something they have? You want to be entirely self sufficient?

If this isn’t true, why do think markets serve no purpose?

hglman,

Do you really think all exchange of goods is a market?

uralsolo,

Market forces on their own produce many if not all of the perverse incentives of capitalism. Only a centrally planned economy, built on a foundation of grassroots democracy, can hope to overcome those incentives by doing economic planning with an eye towards future sustainability and quality of life, rather than towards profitability.

bufalo1973,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

I think the better way would be a centrally planned economy for some goods (electricity, “normal” food, health, …) and something more “free” for the rest of the market. Bread has a marked price but a PS5 doesn’t.

LoreleiSankTheShip,

Not saying I’m in favor of it, but there’s still market socialism out there as a political stance

Slotos,

The idea of centrally planned economy ignores the lessons of the past. Bronze Age empires and recent examples all display universal inability to adjust to changes.

It’s the same magical thinking as the blind belief in market forces exhibits.
Priests of “invisible hand of market” ignore information exchange speed limits and market inertia, believing that markets will just magically fix everything in time for it to matter.
Preachers of central planning ignore information exchange speed limits and market inertia (and yes, there is a market, as long as there is goods and services exchange, however indirect) by believing they will have all the relevant information and the capacity to process it in time for it to matter.

Neither is true. Neither school of thought even attempted to show itself to be true.

Nevoic,

Within the context of one person’s career, socialism on its own can do quite a bit to transform people’s relationship to their workplace. No longer would your job be at risk because you’ve all done too well and it’s to “cut labor costs” while profits soar. No longer would you be worried about automating away your job, instead you’d gladly automate your job away and then the whole organization could lower how much work needs to be done as things get more and more automated.

Democracy would massively improve work-life balance.

Of course this comes with problems, all of which exist in capitalism (how do we care for people outside of these organizations who won’t have access to work, for example). But if I had to choose between market socialism and capitalism, the choice is pretty clear, and it’s something much easier for liberals to stomach.

AnarchaPrincess,
@AnarchaPrincess@hexbear.net avatar

I hate markets I-was-saying

imgonnatrythis, in Lemmy might, MIGHT have a small bias towards the left

Wtf is an uncorrupt government?

dingus,
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

All types of governance and economic systems are susceptible to despotism.

It takes a constantly educated and involved population to fight it.

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