TiKa444,

Even if the are more efficient, they earned the regarding profit for a small number of people, who has to much. For the society it is a loose loose. The services become more expensive and it lead to a redistribution of wealth from poor to rich, whitch is even worse for the society and the economy.

Borkingheck,

I work for my local government and everybody means well but are hampered by a lack of funding. I complete a statutory required role, that is one of the two key performance indicators and it needs 2 people full time and I’m the only person on it.

books,

Having worked on both sides. Private industry has the ability to quickly maneuver and change tact.

Imo

foo,

It depends on the industry. Huge publicly traded organizations are basically as bad as government

frezik,

I’ve peaked inside large private companies. They’re no better than public companies. Turns out, being large means you can’t move very fast.

books,

Eh, you can quickly create a new division/bureau/area and hire for the new roll and when it doesn’t work out you can fire easily. That ain’t possible within government where everything is governed by statue or rule

Blackmist,

But government likes to starve the stuff they run to make it look bad so they can carve it up and sell it to their mates. See literally anything Britain privatised.

Anything with no competition trends towards being shit over time.

UnrepententProcrastinator, (edited )

Corruption is the issue when governments are involved with capital. Social inequality is the issue when private owners control the capital.

My view is that having an army and control over the capital is too many eggs in the same basket.

NAXLAB,

So… Without a government, there just wouldn’t be armies? Rich and powerful private citizens wouldn’t form their own armed forces?

sholomo,

East India company would like to speak to him

prunerye,

Why wouldn’t there be warlords? I’m not sure how this comment follows. Without a government, you get both eggs in one basket, which the original commenter agrees is bad.

ghostblackout,

Look at spacex they are more efficient then nasa

AlfredEinstein,

Definitely more efficient than NASA today. But private companies wouldn’t have been able to pull off the moon landing, which was NASA’s great accomplishment.

There’s a place for government programs and enormous piles of money.

gandalf_der_12te,

there’s an exception to the rule

PersnickityPenguin,

SpaceX does one thing though… Well, three things. Rocket development, launch services and starlink.

NASA does a whole lot more, they have 10 times as many employees and far more suppliers than SpaceX does. SpaceX is basically a service provider for NASA.

This is kind of like saying that Lockheed Martin is more efficient than the department of defense.

grayman,

SpaceX gets shit into space cheaper than NASA. Let’s just compare the services that both provide and not move goal posts.

PersnickityPenguin,

Yeah, but NASA hasn’t even had launch capabilities since what, 2006?

grayman,

Ok… So what does NASA do that overlaps with SpaceX? Apparently nothing. NASA is 100% dependent on private rockets. Are we supposed to call that a win or a loss?

Srh,

SpaceX would never exist if there was no NASA. Before government programs that can pioneer and not have to be “profitable” no company can exist.

PsychedSy,

There’s no way to test that. You can’t really see what didn’t happen.

Flipper,

Anything is more efficient without cost+ contracts, where the cost is covered + a fixed percentage profit on top.

Those kinds of deals make the cost explode somehow. Who would have thought.

MostlyHarmless,

What do you base that on?

Spacex has had zero successful missions to Mars. NASA has landed 5 rovers.

grayman,

Well one metric would be cost per kg to get something into space. I also recall a lot of people dying when NASA first started going into space, of which SpaceX has not had any rockets explode with people in them, but I’m not impaired enough to make that false equivalence like you did with Mars.

MostlyHarmless,

Of course my comment is false equivalence, because the initial assertion is false equivalence.

You can’t compare NASA and Spacex because they have different goals. NASA even contract many of their payloads to Spacex, which they wouldn’t do if they were in the same business.

Landmammals,

Possibly, but they have different incentives.

Kusimulkku,

Depends on the situation I’d say.

icedcoffee,

Honestly I was expecting more dogshit takes in the comments. Anyway everyone should read Elizabeth Anderson’s book “Private Government”

jol,

Private companies are master at screwing customers for profit. Lefts not try to be private companies.

crackajack,

Anyone who worked in both private and public would know both are not more efficient than the other.

Public services are chronically underfunded because of corruption. Private companies perform rabbit in a hat trick by making you guess what undisclosed ingredients they put in your food if they’re not regulated, just so to save cost and make money for themselves!

Patches,

If these last few years have taught us anything.

They are putting undisclosed ingredients into the food even if they are regulated.

WetBeardHairs,

Slim Jim - now flavored with microplastics and preserved with forever chemicals

Patches, (edited )

Slim Jim’s were the original forever chemicals. You ever seen one go bad?

LoamImprovement, (edited )

They’re efficient at maximizing profits for shareholders, usually at the dire expense of literally everyone else.

Rooskie91,

Private companies literally paid billions of dollar to dismantle a (more or less) effective government just so that they could say this (and its still wrong).

sus, (edited )

can you call a government that allows itself to be turned into a caricature of itself efficient?

psud,

In my (Australian) public service career I have watched a team of 100 public servants deliver and keep updated a data capture and processing system

A large American service company now does that job with four times the people. It took years to get them to add keyboard shortcuts to their product - the original was entirely mouse driven; and their product didn’t meet contrast rules for months

nycki,

I remember in college we took a course on economic efficiency and the short takeaway is “the free market is extremely efficient, but only when the competing parties start with equal resources. the more inequal the starting position, the less efficient the market becomes.” and to my mind that suggests that we should enforce some sort of “rubber-banding” effect so that a company needs to keep competing or else it will “drift” back to the mean over time. Something like aggressive taxes on the uber-rich and comprehensive welfare for the poor, y’know? Capitalism but with safety guards would be pretty cool.

pingveno,

Something like aggressive taxes on the uber-rich and comprehensive welfare for the poor, y’know?

This is why aggressive estate taxes are so incredibly critical. People shouldn’t be professional descendants. And of course welfare provides both ladder and safety net. The fools who are trying to abolish one or both are working against social mobility.

UncleGrandPa,

Because they think social mobility is wrong and bad for society

crackajack,

Yeah, mixed economy undeniably works!

tetris11,
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I think just don’t allow other companies to buy others. Mergers should be illegal.

Omega_Haxors, (edited )

Afraid to say this but that college course was capitalist propaganda. When you look at the actual facts it points to capitalism being trash in every metric except cancer-like growth for the sake of cancer-like growth, which of course it’s good at because that’s what it was designed for.

Microw,

There is a reason why the European/Scandinavian economic model works so well.

Kanda,

Give it 10 or 20 years and we’ll basically be the US, but with really high taxes

uis,
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You gived 10 years 7 times in a row

Sorgan71,

It sort of depends on what the company is doing.

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