punkwalrus,
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Having worked for both, I would say that most government offices are eternal, whereas private companies can vanish quickly. Sometimes without warning. Its really hard to kill a government office.

Makes me wonder, how did a necessary office survive during a junta or an overthrow? For example, how did the office of a postal clerk change from 1925 to 1955 in, say, Berlin? How does the average Salvadoran DMV worker view the changes in El Salvador since 1980?

How was a tax office run in ancient Babylon versus a modern one today?

I bet there’s some weird insights into human civilization to be found in those stories.

_danny,

My understanding is that the more removed you are from the “top” of the government pyramid, the less you are affected by disruptions of that position. Largely when a new face or party takes over (by force or otherwise) very seldom do they want to rebuild everything from the ground up and will keep most of the bipartisan offices untouched.

If a very violent coup is successful and they’re planning punishments for all “government officials” the postman in a rural village is going to be pretty low on that list.

lolcatnip,

Same as any other large organization, I suspect.

grte,

You wanna know something else? The majority of the world economy is already centrally planned. Not on the national level, on the corporate level. Business is dominated by a relatively few giant corporations with internal economies the size of some nations. None of them run free markets internally. Sears experimented with it, to their demise. Central planning is already the primary way that our economic lives are driven. It’s just we let unaccountable billionaires do the planning instead of an elected body.

Omega_Haxors, (edited )

People’s Republic of Walmart, a very good book which goes into detail about how successful corporations use communist-styled organization and how we could have that for ourselves if we all decided to stop funneling all our hard worked dollars up billionaire noses.

z500,
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  • Custoslibera,

    Government famously failing to deliver infrastructure.

    Guildo,

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  • grte,

    That was definitely sarcastic. OP posted a very anti-private industry meme, I doubt they are like, “except roads, though, I love toll roads.”

    Custoslibera, (edited )

    It was sarcastic to be clear.

    I just did a quick google of ‘major private infrastructure projects with cost blow outs’ and lo and behold there were thousands of examples.

    _danny,

    Gotta say, I agree with your main point… But that is kinda the thing people point at when saying the government is inefficient. The large parts of the US infrastructure is decades past it’s expected lifespan, and the US government is not allocating enough funds to fix it quickly enough.

    grte,

    That’s exactly it, though. All that infrastructure got built when the government would directly build infrastructure. The Interstate System, the Transcontinental Railroad, these got built because the government got them done. It’s only since the birth of neoliberalism during Carter’s presidency, and supercharged during Reagan’s, where infrastructure only gets done through public private partnerships that things stopped being built.

    Hotzilla,

    Making money for shareholders

    Zyratoxx,
    @Zyratoxx@lemmy.world avatar

    at the expense of everybody else

    captainlezbian,

    Even if it was more efficient on average it still would have major costs associated with privatization, namely ceding control from the public.

    Kyle_The_G,

    If I had my way I’d make as many services public as possible. I cant stand tge fact that I pay taxes and the “public” transportation (train/bus/subway) isn’t free. Imagine how much pocket change you would have if energy companies, telecoms (cell/wifi), and transportation were all gov-run? All that said I have no idea how that would translate in practice, its a nice little daydream I had.

    Kase,

    I always thought my city’s bus system would be more efficient if they didn’t have to bother with charging everyone $1.50 for a ticket when they board.

    In fact, they did have free fare this summer in an effort to improve the air quality. Ridership was much higher, and the driver didn’t have to mess with the finicky cash machine at every stop.

    Most of the people who take the bus here are poor and/or disabled, anyway. I’d love it if they could do away with fares, but I know they’re doing the best they can with their limited funding.

    tacosanonymous,

    My bus ride to work shortened by 10 minutes after getting rid of fares. It mostly serviced a poorer area of town to the downtown hub. Notable stops are a grocery store and the public library where 10-15 people swaps would occur.

    Fare free is a great move towards equity too.

    kurwa,

    Man I wish I had better public transit where I live. Gotta drive cars everywhere, seeing a bus is like seeing a unicorn.

    Diplomjodler,

    Private companies are efficient at making oligarchs richer and everybody else poorer.

    uphillbothways, (edited )
    @uphillbothways@kbin.social avatar

    Ya know what was a foundational part of the American dream? Pensions. Ya know which employers still offer them? Counties, states and the federal government.

    Private companies exist solely to make the people at the top very rich based on the stolen value of employee labor while dumping catastrophic losses in the public sphere. That's capitalism in a nutshell.

    You'd have to be unbelievably gullible, naive, traumatized AND brainwashed to be a diehard for a system like that. But, somehow they've managed it. A deluded nation of Amway top performers just one move away from making their own imaginary millions. All simping for the system.

    Omega_Haxors, (edited )

    Yesterday an American accidentally admitted that they tip their landlord. It was at that point I said to myself “man you fuckers deserve to suffer under whatever republican you end up voting for next election because we all know that’s what you dumb ass motherfuckers are going to do”

    shani66,

    I’m a big proponent of letting people suffer for their bullshit, but please let the rest of us out

    Kanda,

    They’re more efficient at getting money from the state and paying it out as bonuses or dividends

    Supervisor194,
    @Supervisor194@lemmy.world avatar

    Boy does this ring true. I worked for years for a giant multinational publisher and one of their biggest sources of income was taking government money for educational stuff for schools and turning that money into absolutely no useful products while making sure no opportunity to hire another middle manager was overlooked.

    MxM111,
    @MxM111@kbin.social avatar

    Consider USSR.

    voidMainVoid,

    And…?

    Omega_Haxors, (edited )

    The USSR was amazing to live under, especially when you compare it to what it has become after the fact. People forget that Tsarist Russia was a cosmological shithole where your only joy was taking to the vodka. It’s easy to compare a fledgling nation that not even a decade ago was living in absolute squalor with one that just came off the heels of a massive genocide where they took everything for themselves and say one is better than the other, but if you put the two on even footing it’s not even a question which one you’d rather live under.

    In fact, you’re going to see that as America starts to fall behind after their colossal head start that even you yourself are going to wish things were done differently, because as fun as eating your own shit is because you can’t get food (yes, this actually happened) that’s no way to live.

    sukhmel,

    The USSR may have been amazing depending on what things you value in life. As far as I understand, the only thing that was in abundance is stability, which is not the only thing needed for an amazing life, as far as I am concerned.

    Also, the image of USSR in pop culture seems to have improved a lot and is now much better than the real thing had ever been, but that’s just marketing bullshit

    Omega_Haxors, (edited )

    When you actually look at what it was not through the lens of cold war propaganda it does seem like a pretty nice place. Not to say the place was perfect but for what it was they did a really good job with what they had.

    EDIT: and Russia just voted to classify homosexuality as “extremism” a perfect example of just how much going capitalist has fucked them up.

    Kbin_space_program, (edited )

    looks at ICBC, BC Hydro and BC Ferries.

    Looks at how Canadian ISPs led the world in early internet technology then once privatized, ignored it and allowed Nortel to be infiltrated and shut down by CCP spies, allowing then to steal 5G technology.

    Hell, in Vancouver you have the private Canada /RAV line, and the public Skytrain line. One was built in the 1980s and isn't at capacity yet and the private one was finished in 2008 and is already over capacity.

    Yeah there really is 0 comparison between public and private.

    kurwa,

    BC Ferries are so nice to ride on. Feels like a mini cruise. Canadian ISPs / mobile providers really do suck ass, makes the American ones look good some how.

    Omega_Haxors, (edited )

    Where I live they have semi-privatized utilities and it’s funny because unlike the fully private company they’ll actually do their job, but then they’ll make record profits and their directors will spend it all doing lines of coke. It’s most noticeable when you compare the lines of the private company to the semi-private one, and one will be overgrown and decrepit while the other will be completely spotless.

    We also have a fully public utility and you wouldn’t even notice because the prices are dirt cheap and the infrastructure is taken care of. The only difference between public and private ownership is how much of your money goes into maintenance instead of up the board’s nose.

    9488fcea02a9,

    I’m a private sector worker slacking off and shitposting on reddit/lemmy all day…

    We are DEFINITELY NOT more efficient than the public sector

    MacNCheezus,
    @MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

    “I made a meme depicting your claim with a mocking Spongebob, therefore your argument is invalid.”

    lolcatnip,

    It’s preaching to the choir but it’s not wrong.

    MacNCheezus,
    @MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar
    Secret300,

    Which government?

    RememberTheApollo_, (edited )

    Ignorant AF.

    They are better at maximizing profits at the expense of the employees, benefits, wages, local taxes and infrastructure. They work for the shareholders. They shovel money to the top few percent of the company. That’s what we call “efficiency”.

    The government does not profit. They government pays standard government wages along with union wages and benefits. They maintain infrastructure. They are only as efficient as contracts allow.

    Corporations do not have the same goals as government. One seeks to extract maximum profits for the few at the expense of the many, the other seeks to return to the many as much as is feasible in societal good - schools, roads, power, water, etc. at no profit.

    FierroGamer,

    When listing what they sacrifice to maximize profit you forgot to mention service quality and customer satisfaction.

    RememberTheApollo_, (edited )

    Just enough service to keep you from leaving, because you know the nearest competitor will treat you just as badly.

    set_secret,

    Well said.

    It’s hard to believe that anyone with the mental capacity to lift a spoon to their mouth would vote for the right (who are solely responsible for mass privatisation in Australia anyway, im assuming it’s the same elsewhere).

    grue, (edited )

    Corporations do not have the same goals as government. One seeks to extract maximum profits for the few at the expense of the many, the other seeks to return to the many as much as is feasible in societal good - schools, roads, power, water, etc. at no profit.

    That’s a complete perversion of what corporations were , by the way.

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