zcd,

Every day we stray further from jod

RIP_Cheems,
@RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

“It’s pronounced greg…”

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

Yiff

wait no

nilloc,

Hiff

bquintb,
@bquintb@midwest.social avatar

In hell!

zcd,

Unless…?

RIP_Cheems,
@RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

You have spoken THE FORBIDDEN WORD

fred,

Gif as in Gift

BlackVenom,

Not gif like gel?

fred,

Nope, not even close. It’s followed by an E.

ProvokedGamer,
@ProvokedGamer@lemmy.ca avatar

So a “J” sound like in gift?

Coreidan,

Considering gif is just an acronym there isn’t a right or wrong way to pronounce it as technically it isn’t a word, and therefore there is no “official” way to say it.

moonleay,

gif. With a hard g, because there is also .jiff and you could not distinguish otherwise.

jeremyparker,

The fact that this conversation exists is proof that the word is intuitively pronounced with a hard G.

The only reason to pronounce it like a J if because the creator liked it - and the reason he liked it was literally because of the (copyright-infringing) similarity to the peanut butter.

He made a huge contribution to the Internet by creating the format, and he deserves it gratitude. Mispronouncing gif is not the best approach to that.

SwampYankee,

I had literally never heard a single person pronounce it with a hard G, through middle school and high school graphic design classes, through an entire web development degree, until 2015 when HelloGeneric made that stupid video.

ILikeBoobies,

You realize there are other words people pronounce incorrectly just because they’ve only ever read it right?

jeremyparker,

Pronunciation of words is decided by consensus - and while of course people mispronounce things, what that means is, they pronounce it differently from the accepted cultural norm.

We don’t get all in a knot because Americans prove things differently from British people - even though they originally set the rules for English. And we don’t pronounce things the way we do because George Washington (being analogous to wilhite (or whatever his name was)) told us to; we pronounce things as we do because of cultural consensus.

Wilhite’s intention was literally to use the name recognition of the peanut butter to further his own success - which, like, who cares - but the simple fact that he made that decision (and to be clear, regardless of our opinion on copyright, is a bad way to make the decision) strongly implies that he was aware that his pronunciation was unnatural.

The fact that this conversation even comes up is proof that culturally we reject wilhite’s pronunciation. It’s a lost battle - the only reason I get involved in these threads is because I have a hard time watching the same 3 talking points (on both sides) and the same 3 rebuttals - all of which attempt seem to use facts and logic to determine “correct” pronunciation - when the truth is, the pronunciation has already been decided, and soft-G pronounces deserve to understand it.

ILikeBoobies,

The conversation exists to correct people who only ever read it, not because people reject the pronunciation rather they are unaware of it

jeremyparker,

So your argument is actually that people who pronounce it with a hard G have just never heard anyone say it.

And we’re taking about dot-g-i-f, the format that is hugely shared as memes and as reactions in chats, a form so well known that it’s at Kleenex level of awareness - awareness that exceeds itself - ie, all other variants of this format (apng, animated webp, even webm) are called gifs.

And you’re saying that most people, which is, given the prevalence of gifs, probably most of our species at this point - most of the sentient life forms in our solar system are aware of this format’s name… But we’ve just never heard anyone say it. Except for a small, vocal minority - who exist mostly on the Internet and are deeply online. Those are the only people who have heard it said out loud.

And, in that impossible scenario, most of our species - who have, again, never heard it said it loud - billions of people - all, independently, came up with the same, supposedly incorrect, pronunciation.

That’s your argument? I feel like your case would be stronger without it.

It’s like intentionally taking a Principal Skinner stance - everyone else on earth is wrong. Except, at least Skinner was oblivious.

There’s simply no justification for the jif pronunciation. There’s an explanation - ie, because the creator of the format wanted to float his success on the back of a peanut butter brand. And it didn’t even work - no one calls it “jif” and yet it’s probably got better name recognition than the peanut butter. But - even as weak as that explanation is, an explanation is not a justification. A justified pronunciation - even if it’s different from the original pronunciation, is one people natively come up with, and yet is always the same.

ILikeBoobies,

The ones that have heard it pronounce it jif

I don’t see why you’re so insistent on being wrong

ursakhiin,

On the slim chance you’re arguing in good faith and are just unaware. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_GIF

A number of analysis have been done on this subject. Polling showed that more people pronounce with a hard g. Most dictionaries list a hard g as the primary pronunciation. More words that begin with gi use the hard g.

sin_free_for_00_days,

When I hear someone mispronounce gif as jif, I tend to know exactly what type of person they are.

jeremyparker,

It’s the children who are wrong, all three billion of them. The only ones who are right are me and my friends. We don’t have any justification or valid argument, we’re just right because we say we are.

That’s you. That’s what you sound like.

ILikeBoobies,

You literally thought that most of the species knew what gifs were

jeremyparker,

Still do. To be clear, I’m talking about the human species, not like moths or turtles or something. Smart phones are pretty common, actually.

ILikeBoobies,

A lot of people would use the term video and for instance imgur uses mp4s (hence audio)

BlackVenom,

If gif is the proper noun for the format, it’s pronounced as the creator says.

SheDiceToday,

Nah. We’ve had that conversation before, with SCSI files. No one pronounces those as “sexy” despite the creator’s insistence on that being the correct pronunciation.

jeremyparker,

Also who said it’s a proper noun

jeremyparker,

Why? He has no linguistic expertise, and he didn’t have the perspective of the format’s popularity when he made that decree. And his decision was based on intentionally infringing on copyright. And it intentionally goes against the intuitive pronunciation. And the term “gif” now even refers to files that aren’t even .gif - it’s way past him.

This may sound harsh, and I want to acknowledge that he did something really awesome - but the Jif pronunciation will not survive once he, as a person, is forgotten. But the format will. It’s not his anymore.

NightAuthor,

I make the distinction simply by talking about gifs

aBundleOfFerrets,

Jraphics Interchange Format

Ineocla,

Joint Fotographic Expert Group

aBundleOfFerrets,

Joint Fotographic Expert Group

I think what you meant to send is “Joint Potographic Expert Group” with the H removed, instead of the Ph swapped for F

jabathekek,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

Giraffeics Interchange Format

dog_,

Jif

MiikCheque,

how do you pronounce God, goo, grey, great, good, gun, gumption, goofy

plus jif is peanut butter

Pinklink,

While I agree with you on how it should be pronounced, not a good argument. Giraffe.

criitz,

Gift without the t, I always say

dokapuff,

That falls apart when you have all the words like bit and bite, made and mad, same and sam.

clearleaf,

I would accept gife (rhymes with life) with hard G before I accept jif.

dokapuff,

Then go fight the dictionary, both pronunciations are in there

criitz,

I disagree. If the letter your adding is E, it will change the promounciation of the vowel. That’s the function of the E. Adding a consonant like t doesn’t change the vowel sound (eg. How you would pronounce something like “sif” vs “sift” - no change in the vowel.

dokapuff,

Lasagna

criitz,

Fahrvergnügen

nightwatch_admin,

Geordie Laforge thumbs up

jeremyparker,

Gift is closer to gif than giraffe…

CalamityBalls, (edited )
@CalamityBalls@kbin.social avatar

Giant, geode, gel, george, gerbil. Just sayin'.

_stranger_,

same as Graphical.

AEsheron,

My favorite is the gif of the skubbah diver with a lassear beam on their frickin head.

_stranger_,

correct.

kambusha,

*Gust sayin’.

FooBarrington,

And McAfee!

Sorry, I meant giraffe.

FooBarrington,

I am underappreciated in my time.

Fuck_u_spez_,

I agree with you but I have a simpler argument, which is the mere fact that this exists: fileinfo.com/extension/jif

zammy95,

WOAH. Didn’t know about this. Maybe I can finally convince my mom… doubt.

redcalcium,

Also, if jizz is not spelled as gizz, so why would jif spelled as gif?

NightAuthor,

SCUBA

EmpathicVagrant,

I’m seeing vowel consonant vowel, that’s a long U in the new word regardless to what it stands for in the acronym.

femboys,

u choose all these unrelated words when theres GIFt

10_0,

Yiff obv

blindbunny,

👑

stewie3128,

Xif

SEND_NOODLES_PLS,

gee ayy eff

Hovenko,
@Hovenko@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

tiff

Jon_Servo,

I don’t think there’s any real argument here. So I turned this into a meme. https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/430d66cd-d419-4f53-9640-c99e8b80b00a.jpeg

tiita,

this is the way

justastranger,

With a J but rhyming it with life

Karyoplasma,

Yes, officer, this comment right here.

WheeGeetheCat,
@WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works avatar

New one I just became aware of:

How does everyone say SQL?

aulin,

Ess Queue Ell. I didn’t hear the sequel pronunciation until I was well in my thirties and even then only by people older than me. Then I started working with it myself and heard people younger than me pronouncing it sequel, so now I have no idea. I still hear Ess Queue Ell from the vast majority though.

flambonkscious,

It’s an initialisation, not an acronym, so it’s only:

Ess-queue-ell.

Surely anything else is madness

pooberbee,

Your logic is circular

flambonkscious,

Sorry, I don’t understand

pooberbee,

An acronym is a kind of initialism that can be pronounced like a word e.g. NASA. Your reasoning for why it can’t be pronounced as a word (“sequel”) depends on it not being an acronym. But, since many people do pronounce it that way, it is, in fact, an acronym and can be pronounced that way.

flambonkscious,

Holy shit, I completely forgot about using the term sequel - you are absolutely correct!

WheeGeetheCat,
@WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works avatar

And yet everyone I know who has used it pre-2010s ish says ‘sequel’

flambonkscious,

Yeah, I’m just a dumb-ass that completely forgot

pooberbee,

I like to call it “Squeal” sometimes, but usually I call it “Sequel”.

Dick_Justice,
@Dick_Justice@lemmy.world avatar

I go back and forth between “Ess Cue Ell”, “Sequel”, and “You Fucking Whore”

dipbeneaththelasers,

This is what we do at work.

WheeGeetheCat,
@WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works avatar

This one fits me best

Spider89,

Ess-Cue-Elle

ivanafterall,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

My dad has used SQL forever and calls it "Sequel."

tdawg, (edited )

Depends on the context

MySQL: my es que el

SQL Server: sequel Server

PostgreSQL: Postgress

or by itself just es que el

jeremyparker,

Really, my ess cue ell? I say mysequel 100% of the time. But I’m trying to get into the Primagen’s My Squeal pronunciation

Tigwyk,
@Tigwyk@lemmy.vrchat-dev.tech avatar

I call it sequel but I’ve heard squirrel and squeal.

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Squirrel.

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