RickyRigatoni, You buy a Sony CD and decide to play it on your computer.
Your computer now has a rootkit installed.
explodicle, I STILL don’t buy Sony shit because of that. They booby trapped their product and idiots still buy it. There are plenty of competitors who don’t do that.
schmidtster, Or they just haven’t been caught yet.
It would be naive to think it’s a singular event.
explodicle, Certainly not singular, but it’s very difficult to get away with this undetected because the end user gets physical access to the hardware.
schmidtster, Linux is open source, and they had a malware for 10 years that was undetected.
Having access means nothing if you don’t know what you’re looking for. Rootkits are serious problems.
AVincentInSpace, Wait, what malware was that?
schmidtster, Which one? There was the 2020 one by winnti group that attacked Linux servers for a decade, and another in 2021/22 called symbiote, but I don’t know how long that one was hidden for.
rbos, And these days people just install the rootkit, only it’s allegedly to prevent game cheating.
hackris, And, when called out, everyone tells you you’re a paranoid, tinfoil hat wearing, organ trafficking criminal
c0mbatbag3l, That’s because you guys throw around the word “rootkit” like my parents call everything “woke” or “communist.”
You probably couldn’t even define what a rootkit is yet you’re scared shitless of a thing you can’t properly define.
So yeah, anyone who’s afraid of something they don’t even understand fully is absolutely paranoid.
rbos, Most people are not fully cognizant of the rights they sign away in a click through. There is paranoid and there is prudent.
c0mbatbag3l, Read the EULA, if you don’t want an anticheat that requires those permissions then don’t install the game.
Something having kernel access doesn’t make it a rootkit, it makes it high-risk for misuse by a threat actor. Only if the software was exploited by a bad actor to acquire root/hardware permissions would this issue actually become something.
That, or if the anticheat wasn’t uninstallable and/or dodged scans intended to locate it, etc.
rbos, Putting the responsibility to understand legalese (and advanced concepts like rootkits) to such an extent on the end user is just straight gaslighting. Nobody has the required expertise to determine what an EULA actually says outside of the lawyer who wrote it, and even then, I wouldn’t guarantee it.
c0mbatbag3l, Damn now we are misusing gaslighting as well to just mean “hiding something.”
rbos, Ugh. As in blaming someone, casting aspersions on them for something that isn’t their fault or responsibility. Words broaden in meaning. If you’re going to quibble about semantics, I got nothing to say to you.
vox, well the game installs a kernel module without my consent. Isn’t that the definition of a rootkit?
c0mbatbag3l, Did you install a game with anticheat? Did that anticheat require kernel level access? Can you read?
I’m just curious what part is them sneaking something onto your machine that you’re unaware of?
hackris, I have no idea if the gamers installing it are “unaware” (I never played such a game), however it’s still a shitty practice. The average Joe has no idea what the hell a rootkit is and it’s predatory to exploit this. Also, no game should install rootkits. For the love of god, it’s a videogame.
c0mbatbag3l, No game is installing rootkits, you guys just keep misusing the term, as I’ve attempted to explain like five fucking times in this thread.
The average joe clearly doesn’t understand what a rootkit is, as you’ve well established.
vox, most anticheats run in the kernel, even the most popular ones like battleye and vanguard.
also they are often installed automatically while launching games for the first time, without any prompts
vox, yeah maybe just design proper authoritative servers instead?
anticheats are kinda a band-aid solution.
Cort, Or maybe bring back self hosted servers so you can roll your own
aniki, Viva la Gamespy!
vox, slef hosted servers don’t solve cheating on their own either.
proper authoritive server shouldn’t send or accept any information that isn’t strictly necessary, like positions of players that are in a completely different part of the map
foggy, “most people who had the rootkit installed on their machine dont know what a rootkit is anyways; why should I care?”
-sony’s response
RadButNotAChad, Napster was reparations for Soul Asylums Strangers With Candy album.
squiblet, For me, it's every Metallica album after Justice For All, and Lars Ulrich can definitely fuck off.
scytale, When people who didn’t like rock/metal bought an Extreme album because they thought all the songs were like More Than Words.
Peaty, While the shred guitar nerds were wondering what the fuck Nuno Bettancourt was playing with that track.
BruceTwarzen, I'll never forget walking into a record store, looking at a cannibal corpse album. The guy working there looked at me and said if i want the album for free. I was a teen with like 9 dollars to my name so i said of course, thank you. When i asked why he said: because it FUCKING SUCKS.
teamevil, Fuck off…Butchered at Birth fixed all the shitty alternative albums with one hit. Fuck off Letters to Cleo
DmMacniel, in 1999 you had the ability to get into a music shop, load the cd and test listen to it. Or just go through the music charts. Or wish for a specific song on radio.
Also 1999 already had Napster, Morpheus and others.
SpaceNoodle, Never saw a music shop with a communal CD player that allowed you to remove the CD shrink wrap.
grue, Also 1999 already had Napster
Only half of it, apparently! I just looked it up to check, and it turns out it launched on June 1 of that year.
SpaceNoodle, Never saw a music shop with a communal CD player that allowed you to remove the CD shrink wrap.
grue, Also 1999 already had Napster
Only half of it, apparently! I just looked it up to check, and it turns out it launched on June 1 of that year.
schmidtster, You buy the CD because they had a charting single on radio, you’re than disappointed that the rest of the album is a different sound.
Not everyone had internet in the 90s-00s either mate……
Peaty, Sugar Ray surprised many people by being a punk band that had a pop song or two.
teamevil, I bought 3 Monster Magnet albums looking for Mean Machine
Enkers, Then you keep listening to it anyways, and it slowly becomes one of your favourite albums of all time.
Kimjongtooill, Chumba Wumba deep-cuts.
captainlezbian, They do really grow on you
bobs_monkey, They get up again
Polar, We call that justifying your purchase. You forced yourself into liking it so you didn’t “waste” the money.
Enkers, Haha, definitely a possibility!
I think there’s also an element of the hit tracks often being a bit more formulaic. There’s a big component of familiarity in music that makes it appealing, so people might not appreciate the more experimental tracks on an album until they’ve heard them a few times.
errer, Did you miss the whole “you could test listen to the CD in the shop” part?
schmidtster, Nope, not every place had the money to burn on a cd in a jukebox from every artist. Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?
Franconian_Nomad, There were actual listening stations with headphones here in Germany at certain media chains. Some people spent whole afternoons in there.
But yeah, the opposite did exist. I remember, when I was a teenager friends got a dozen or more CDs for their birthday. Good old 1998.
TropicalDingdong, Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?
Me. It was me. I was 14. I listened to the whole thing. I think the name of the store was “The Warehouse” and maybe another was called “Good Guys”? But yeah. Both. I’d take the bus to the mall and sit on that raggedy ass carpet that smelled like a movie theater floor and listened to the whole damn album. All of them actually (usually like 6-8 per station?) until the manager told me to leave. A couple times clerks would hook me up with burned demos.
But yeah. It was me.
schmidtster, I guess as an escape, was thinking purely consumerism. My bad.
explodicle, You’re not wrong, but there were definitely people who spent tons of time listening to music at the record store.
schmidtster, I guess, I was thinking of strictly purchasing. Yeah some people do just go and hang out and chill instead.
thelsim, God, I miss test listens. My favorite record store was very easy going in this, they’d happily let me stand there listening to most of the CD. The unspoken rule was that if you spend that much time listening, you’re going to buy it anyway.
One of the few shops where I always felt welcome.
Gurfaild, In the 2000s, some electronics stores where I lived had “jukeboxes” with headphones and a barcode scanner, so you could listen to 30-second snippets of the songs on an album before buying it.
BruceTwarzen, A lot of people still bought whole cd's because it had that one song from the radio on it.
Track_Shovel, I’m old enough to know the pencil trick to fix a cassette that got eaten by the stereo…
DharmaCurious, I still keep a pencil in my car. I know there’s no cassette to play, but my car feels naked with a pencil rolling around the center console or in the little tray on the dash.
Lileath, I also learned how to do this as a child but I am probably a bit younger than you at 18yo.
Getawombatupya, “Old or poor…”
Lileath, It was less that we were poor and more that my parents had a lot of music and radio dramas on different media. My father still has more than two hundred vinyl disks that he plays semiregularly and I have an old audio tape player/recorder sitting around in my bedroom although I don’t really use that one.
Getawombatupya, Just having a joke, glad to hear people committed to the old media
CylustheVirus, Kazaa, limewire. One - Metallica.mp3.exe as far as the eye can see.
DmMacniel, That file was the best. I could have made a collection out of them xD
Getawombatupya, Format C:, Reinstall XP
DmMacniel, In 1999? Uuuuh.
schmidtster, You buy the CD because they had a charting single on radio, you’re than disappointed that the rest of the album is a different sound.
Not everyone had internet in the 90s-00s either mate……
SpaceNoodle, Never saw a music shop with a communal CD player that allowed you to remove the CD shrink wrap.
grue, Also 1999 already had Napster
Only half of it, apparently! I just looked it up to check, and it turns out it launched on June 1 of that year.
schmidtster, You buy the CD because they had a charting single on radio, you’re than disappointed that the rest of the album is a different sound.
Not everyone had internet in the 90s-00s either mate……
Peaty, Sugar Ray surprised many people by being a punk band that had a pop song or two.
teamevil, I bought 3 Monster Magnet albums looking for Mean Machine
Enkers, Then you keep listening to it anyways, and it slowly becomes one of your favourite albums of all time.
Kimjongtooill, Chumba Wumba deep-cuts.
captainlezbian, They do really grow on you
bobs_monkey, They get up again
Polar, We call that justifying your purchase. You forced yourself into liking it so you didn’t “waste” the money.
Enkers, Haha, definitely a possibility!
I think there’s also an element of the hit tracks often being a bit more formulaic. There’s a big component of familiarity in music that makes it appealing, so people might not appreciate the more experimental tracks on an album until they’ve heard them a few times.
errer, Did you miss the whole “you could test listen to the CD in the shop” part?
schmidtster, Nope, not every place had the money to burn on a cd in a jukebox from every artist. Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?
Franconian_Nomad, There were actual listening stations with headphones here in Germany at certain media chains. Some people spent whole afternoons in there.
But yeah, the opposite did exist. I remember, when I was a teenager friends got a dozen or more CDs for their birthday. Good old 1998.
TropicalDingdong, Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?
Me. It was me. I was 14. I listened to the whole thing. I think the name of the store was “The Warehouse” and maybe another was called “Good Guys”? But yeah. Both. I’d take the bus to the mall and sit on that raggedy ass carpet that smelled like a movie theater floor and listened to the whole damn album. All of them actually (usually like 6-8 per station?) until the manager told me to leave. A couple times clerks would hook me up with burned demos.
But yeah. It was me.
schmidtster, I guess as an escape, was thinking purely consumerism. My bad.
explodicle, You’re not wrong, but there were definitely people who spent tons of time listening to music at the record store.
schmidtster, I guess, I was thinking of strictly purchasing. Yeah some people do just go and hang out and chill instead.
thelsim, God, I miss test listens. My favorite record store was very easy going in this, they’d happily let me stand there listening to most of the CD. The unspoken rule was that if you spend that much time listening, you’re going to buy it anyway.
One of the few shops where I always felt welcome.
Gurfaild, In the 2000s, some electronics stores where I lived had “jukeboxes” with headphones and a barcode scanner, so you could listen to 30-second snippets of the songs on an album before buying it.
BruceTwarzen, A lot of people still bought whole cd's because it had that one song from the radio on it.
Track_Shovel, I’m old enough to know the pencil trick to fix a cassette that got eaten by the stereo…
DharmaCurious, I still keep a pencil in my car. I know there’s no cassette to play, but my car feels naked with a pencil rolling around the center console or in the little tray on the dash.
Lileath, I also learned how to do this as a child but I am probably a bit younger than you at 18yo.
Getawombatupya, “Old or poor…”
Lileath, It was less that we were poor and more that my parents had a lot of music and radio dramas on different media. My father still has more than two hundred vinyl disks that he plays semiregularly and I have an old audio tape player/recorder sitting around in my bedroom although I don’t really use that one.
Getawombatupya, Just having a joke, glad to hear people committed to the old media
CylustheVirus, Kazaa, limewire. One - Metallica.mp3.exe as far as the eye can see.
DmMacniel, That file was the best. I could have made a collection out of them xD
Getawombatupya, Format C:, Reinstall XP
DmMacniel, In 1999? Uuuuh.
thelsim, God, I miss test listens. My favorite record store was very easy going in this, they’d happily let me stand there listening to most of the CD. The unspoken rule was that if you spend that much time listening, you’re going to buy it anyway.
One of the few shops where I always felt welcome.
SpaceNoodle, Never saw a music shop with a communal CD player that allowed you to remove the CD shrink wrap.
grue, Also 1999 already had Napster
Only half of it, apparently! I just looked it up to check, and it turns out it launched on June 1 of that year.
schmidtster, You buy the CD because they had a charting single on radio, you’re than disappointed that the rest of the album is a different sound.
Not everyone had internet in the 90s-00s either mate……
Peaty, Sugar Ray surprised many people by being a punk band that had a pop song or two.
teamevil, I bought 3 Monster Magnet albums looking for Mean Machine
Enkers, Then you keep listening to it anyways, and it slowly becomes one of your favourite albums of all time.
Kimjongtooill, Chumba Wumba deep-cuts.
captainlezbian, They do really grow on you
bobs_monkey, They get up again
Polar, We call that justifying your purchase. You forced yourself into liking it so you didn’t “waste” the money.
Enkers, Haha, definitely a possibility!
I think there’s also an element of the hit tracks often being a bit more formulaic. There’s a big component of familiarity in music that makes it appealing, so people might not appreciate the more experimental tracks on an album until they’ve heard them a few times.
errer, Did you miss the whole “you could test listen to the CD in the shop” part?
schmidtster, Nope, not every place had the money to burn on a cd in a jukebox from every artist. Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?
Franconian_Nomad, There were actual listening stations with headphones here in Germany at certain media chains. Some people spent whole afternoons in there.
But yeah, the opposite did exist. I remember, when I was a teenager friends got a dozen or more CDs for their birthday. Good old 1998.
TropicalDingdong, Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?
Me. It was me. I was 14. I listened to the whole thing. I think the name of the store was “The Warehouse” and maybe another was called “Good Guys”? But yeah. Both. I’d take the bus to the mall and sit on that raggedy ass carpet that smelled like a movie theater floor and listened to the whole damn album. All of them actually (usually like 6-8 per station?) until the manager told me to leave. A couple times clerks would hook me up with burned demos.
But yeah. It was me.
schmidtster, I guess as an escape, was thinking purely consumerism. My bad.
explodicle, You’re not wrong, but there were definitely people who spent tons of time listening to music at the record store.
schmidtster, I guess, I was thinking of strictly purchasing. Yeah some people do just go and hang out and chill instead.
thelsim, God, I miss test listens. My favorite record store was very easy going in this, they’d happily let me stand there listening to most of the CD. The unspoken rule was that if you spend that much time listening, you’re going to buy it anyway.
One of the few shops where I always felt welcome.
Gurfaild, In the 2000s, some electronics stores where I lived had “jukeboxes” with headphones and a barcode scanner, so you could listen to 30-second snippets of the songs on an album before buying it.
BruceTwarzen, A lot of people still bought whole cd's because it had that one song from the radio on it.
Track_Shovel, I’m old enough to know the pencil trick to fix a cassette that got eaten by the stereo…
DharmaCurious, I still keep a pencil in my car. I know there’s no cassette to play, but my car feels naked with a pencil rolling around the center console or in the little tray on the dash.
Lileath, I also learned how to do this as a child but I am probably a bit younger than you at 18yo.
Getawombatupya, “Old or poor…”
Lileath, It was less that we were poor and more that my parents had a lot of music and radio dramas on different media. My father still has more than two hundred vinyl disks that he plays semiregularly and I have an old audio tape player/recorder sitting around in my bedroom although I don’t really use that one.
Getawombatupya, Just having a joke, glad to hear people committed to the old media
CylustheVirus, Kazaa, limewire. One - Metallica.mp3.exe as far as the eye can see.
DmMacniel, That file was the best. I could have made a collection out of them xD
Getawombatupya, Format C:, Reinstall XP
DmMacniel, In 1999? Uuuuh.
Gurfaild, In the 2000s, some electronics stores where I lived had “jukeboxes” with headphones and a barcode scanner, so you could listen to 30-second snippets of the songs on an album before buying it.
SpaceNoodle, Never saw a music shop with a communal CD player that allowed you to remove the CD shrink wrap.
grue, Also 1999 already had Napster
Only half of it, apparently! I just looked it up to check, and it turns out it launched on June 1 of that year.
schmidtster, You buy the CD because they had a charting single on radio, you’re than disappointed that the rest of the album is a different sound.
Not everyone had internet in the 90s-00s either mate……
Peaty, Sugar Ray surprised many people by being a punk band that had a pop song or two.
teamevil, I bought 3 Monster Magnet albums looking for Mean Machine
Enkers, Then you keep listening to it anyways, and it slowly becomes one of your favourite albums of all time.
Kimjongtooill, Chumba Wumba deep-cuts.
captainlezbian, They do really grow on you
bobs_monkey, They get up again
Polar, We call that justifying your purchase. You forced yourself into liking it so you didn’t “waste” the money.
Enkers, Haha, definitely a possibility!
I think there’s also an element of the hit tracks often being a bit more formulaic. There’s a big component of familiarity in music that makes it appealing, so people might not appreciate the more experimental tracks on an album until they’ve heard them a few times.
errer, Did you miss the whole “you could test listen to the CD in the shop” part?
schmidtster, Nope, not every place had the money to burn on a cd in a jukebox from every artist. Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?
Franconian_Nomad, There were actual listening stations with headphones here in Germany at certain media chains. Some people spent whole afternoons in there.
But yeah, the opposite did exist. I remember, when I was a teenager friends got a dozen or more CDs for their birthday. Good old 1998.
TropicalDingdong, Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?
Me. It was me. I was 14. I listened to the whole thing. I think the name of the store was “The Warehouse” and maybe another was called “Good Guys”? But yeah. Both. I’d take the bus to the mall and sit on that raggedy ass carpet that smelled like a movie theater floor and listened to the whole damn album. All of them actually (usually like 6-8 per station?) until the manager told me to leave. A couple times clerks would hook me up with burned demos.
But yeah. It was me.
schmidtster, I guess as an escape, was thinking purely consumerism. My bad.
explodicle, You’re not wrong, but there were definitely people who spent tons of time listening to music at the record store.
schmidtster, I guess, I was thinking of strictly purchasing. Yeah some people do just go and hang out and chill instead.
thelsim, God, I miss test listens. My favorite record store was very easy going in this, they’d happily let me stand there listening to most of the CD. The unspoken rule was that if you spend that much time listening, you’re going to buy it anyway.
One of the few shops where I always felt welcome.
Gurfaild, In the 2000s, some electronics stores where I lived had “jukeboxes” with headphones and a barcode scanner, so you could listen to 30-second snippets of the songs on an album before buying it.
BruceTwarzen, A lot of people still bought whole cd's because it had that one song from the radio on it.
Track_Shovel, I’m old enough to know the pencil trick to fix a cassette that got eaten by the stereo…
DharmaCurious, I still keep a pencil in my car. I know there’s no cassette to play, but my car feels naked with a pencil rolling around the center console or in the little tray on the dash.
Lileath, I also learned how to do this as a child but I am probably a bit younger than you at 18yo.
Getawombatupya, “Old or poor…”
Lileath, It was less that we were poor and more that my parents had a lot of music and radio dramas on different media. My father still has more than two hundred vinyl disks that he plays semiregularly and I have an old audio tape player/recorder sitting around in my bedroom although I don’t really use that one.
Getawombatupya, Just having a joke, glad to hear people committed to the old media
CylustheVirus, Kazaa, limewire. One - Metallica.mp3.exe as far as the eye can see.
DmMacniel, That file was the best. I could have made a collection out of them xD
Getawombatupya, Format C:, Reinstall XP
DmMacniel, In 1999? Uuuuh.
BruceTwarzen, A lot of people still bought whole cd's because it had that one song from the radio on it.
Track_Shovel, I’m old enough to know the pencil trick to fix a cassette that got eaten by the stereo…
DharmaCurious, I still keep a pencil in my car. I know there’s no cassette to play, but my car feels naked with a pencil rolling around the center console or in the little tray on the dash.
SpaceNoodle, Never saw a music shop with a communal CD player that allowed you to remove the CD shrink wrap.
grue, Also 1999 already had Napster
Only half of it, apparently! I just looked it up to check, and it turns out it launched on June 1 of that year.
schmidtster, You buy the CD because they had a charting single on radio, you’re than disappointed that the rest of the album is a different sound.
Not everyone had internet in the 90s-00s either mate……
Peaty, Sugar Ray surprised many people by being a punk band that had a pop song or two.
teamevil, I bought 3 Monster Magnet albums looking for Mean Machine
Enkers, Then you keep listening to it anyways, and it slowly becomes one of your favourite albums of all time.
Kimjongtooill, Chumba Wumba deep-cuts.
captainlezbian, They do really grow on you
bobs_monkey, They get up again
Polar, We call that justifying your purchase. You forced yourself into liking it so you didn’t “waste” the money.
Enkers, Haha, definitely a possibility!
I think there’s also an element of the hit tracks often being a bit more formulaic. There’s a big component of familiarity in music that makes it appealing, so people might not appreciate the more experimental tracks on an album until they’ve heard them a few times.
errer, Did you miss the whole “you could test listen to the CD in the shop” part?
schmidtster, Nope, not every place had the money to burn on a cd in a jukebox from every artist. Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?
Franconian_Nomad, There were actual listening stations with headphones here in Germany at certain media chains. Some people spent whole afternoons in there.
But yeah, the opposite did exist. I remember, when I was a teenager friends got a dozen or more CDs for their birthday. Good old 1998.
TropicalDingdong, Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?
Me. It was me. I was 14. I listened to the whole thing. I think the name of the store was “The Warehouse” and maybe another was called “Good Guys”? But yeah. Both. I’d take the bus to the mall and sit on that raggedy ass carpet that smelled like a movie theater floor and listened to the whole damn album. All of them actually (usually like 6-8 per station?) until the manager told me to leave. A couple times clerks would hook me up with burned demos.
But yeah. It was me.
schmidtster, I guess as an escape, was thinking purely consumerism. My bad.
explodicle, You’re not wrong, but there were definitely people who spent tons of time listening to music at the record store.
schmidtster, I guess, I was thinking of strictly purchasing. Yeah some people do just go and hang out and chill instead.
thelsim, God, I miss test listens. My favorite record store was very easy going in this, they’d happily let me stand there listening to most of the CD. The unspoken rule was that if you spend that much time listening, you’re going to buy it anyway.
One of the few shops where I always felt welcome.
Gurfaild, In the 2000s, some electronics stores where I lived had “jukeboxes” with headphones and a barcode scanner, so you could listen to 30-second snippets of the songs on an album before buying it.
BruceTwarzen, A lot of people still bought whole cd's because it had that one song from the radio on it.
Track_Shovel, I’m old enough to know the pencil trick to fix a cassette that got eaten by the stereo…
DharmaCurious, I still keep a pencil in my car. I know there’s no cassette to play, but my car feels naked with a pencil rolling around the center console or in the little tray on the dash.
Lileath, I also learned how to do this as a child but I am probably a bit younger than you at 18yo.
Getawombatupya, “Old or poor…”
Lileath, It was less that we were poor and more that my parents had a lot of music and radio dramas on different media. My father still has more than two hundred vinyl disks that he plays semiregularly and I have an old audio tape player/recorder sitting around in my bedroom although I don’t really use that one.
Getawombatupya, Just having a joke, glad to hear people committed to the old media
CylustheVirus, Kazaa, limewire. One - Metallica.mp3.exe as far as the eye can see.
DmMacniel, That file was the best. I could have made a collection out of them xD
Getawombatupya, Format C:, Reinstall XP
DmMacniel, In 1999? Uuuuh.
Lileath, I also learned how to do this as a child but I am probably a bit younger than you at 18yo.
Getawombatupya, “Old or poor…”
Lileath, It was less that we were poor and more that my parents had a lot of music and radio dramas on different media. My father still has more than two hundred vinyl disks that he plays semiregularly and I have an old audio tape player/recorder sitting around in my bedroom although I don’t really use that one.
SpaceNoodle, Never saw a music shop with a communal CD player that allowed you to remove the CD shrink wrap.
grue, Also 1999 already had Napster
Only half of it, apparently! I just looked it up to check, and it turns out it launched on June 1 of that year.
schmidtster, You buy the CD because they had a charting single on radio, you’re than disappointed that the rest of the album is a different sound.
Not everyone had internet in the 90s-00s either mate……
Peaty, Sugar Ray surprised many people by being a punk band that had a pop song or two.
teamevil, I bought 3 Monster Magnet albums looking for Mean Machine
Enkers, Then you keep listening to it anyways, and it slowly becomes one of your favourite albums of all time.
Kimjongtooill, Chumba Wumba deep-cuts.
captainlezbian, They do really grow on you
bobs_monkey, They get up again
Polar, We call that justifying your purchase. You forced yourself into liking it so you didn’t “waste” the money.
Enkers, Haha, definitely a possibility!
I think there’s also an element of the hit tracks often being a bit more formulaic. There’s a big component of familiarity in music that makes it appealing, so people might not appreciate the more experimental tracks on an album until they’ve heard them a few times.
errer, Did you miss the whole “you could test listen to the CD in the shop” part?
schmidtster, Nope, not every place had the money to burn on a cd in a jukebox from every artist. Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?
Franconian_Nomad, There were actual listening stations with headphones here in Germany at certain media chains. Some people spent whole afternoons in there.
But yeah, the opposite did exist. I remember, when I was a teenager friends got a dozen or more CDs for their birthday. Good old 1998.
TropicalDingdong, Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?
Me. It was me. I was 14. I listened to the whole thing. I think the name of the store was “The Warehouse” and maybe another was called “Good Guys”? But yeah. Both. I’d take the bus to the mall and sit on that raggedy ass carpet that smelled like a movie theater floor and listened to the whole damn album. All of them actually (usually like 6-8 per station?) until the manager told me to leave. A couple times clerks would hook me up with burned demos.
But yeah. It was me.
schmidtster, I guess as an escape, was thinking purely consumerism. My bad.
explodicle, You’re not wrong, but there were definitely people who spent tons of time listening to music at the record store.
schmidtster, I guess, I was thinking of strictly purchasing. Yeah some people do just go and hang out and chill instead.
thelsim, God, I miss test listens. My favorite record store was very easy going in this, they’d happily let me stand there listening to most of the CD. The unspoken rule was that if you spend that much time listening, you’re going to buy it anyway.
One of the few shops where I always felt welcome.
Gurfaild, In the 2000s, some electronics stores where I lived had “jukeboxes” with headphones and a barcode scanner, so you could listen to 30-second snippets of the songs on an album before buying it.
BruceTwarzen, A lot of people still bought whole cd's because it had that one song from the radio on it.
Track_Shovel, I’m old enough to know the pencil trick to fix a cassette that got eaten by the stereo…
DharmaCurious, I still keep a pencil in my car. I know there’s no cassette to play, but my car feels naked with a pencil rolling around the center console or in the little tray on the dash.
Lileath, I also learned how to do this as a child but I am probably a bit younger than you at 18yo.
Getawombatupya, “Old or poor…”
Lileath, It was less that we were poor and more that my parents had a lot of music and radio dramas on different media. My father still has more than two hundred vinyl disks that he plays semiregularly and I have an old audio tape player/recorder sitting around in my bedroom although I don’t really use that one.
Getawombatupya, Just having a joke, glad to hear people committed to the old media
CylustheVirus, Kazaa, limewire. One - Metallica.mp3.exe as far as the eye can see.
DmMacniel, That file was the best. I could have made a collection out of them xD
Getawombatupya, Format C:, Reinstall XP
DmMacniel, In 1999? Uuuuh.
CylustheVirus, Kazaa, limewire. One - Metallica.mp3.exe as far as the eye can see.
SpaceNoodle, Never saw a music shop with a communal CD player that allowed you to remove the CD shrink wrap.
grue, Also 1999 already had Napster
Only half of it, apparently! I just looked it up to check, and it turns out it launched on June 1 of that year.
schmidtster, You buy the CD because they had a charting single on radio, you’re than disappointed that the rest of the album is a different sound.
Not everyone had internet in the 90s-00s either mate……
Peaty, Sugar Ray surprised many people by being a punk band that had a pop song or two.
teamevil, I bought 3 Monster Magnet albums looking for Mean Machine
Enkers, Then you keep listening to it anyways, and it slowly becomes one of your favourite albums of all time.
Kimjongtooill, Chumba Wumba deep-cuts.
captainlezbian, They do really grow on you
bobs_monkey, They get up again
Polar, We call that justifying your purchase. You forced yourself into liking it so you didn’t “waste” the money.
Enkers, Haha, definitely a possibility!
I think there’s also an element of the hit tracks often being a bit more formulaic. There’s a big component of familiarity in music that makes it appealing, so people might not appreciate the more experimental tracks on an album until they’ve heard them a few times.
errer, Did you miss the whole “you could test listen to the CD in the shop” part?
schmidtster, Nope, not every place had the money to burn on a cd in a jukebox from every artist. Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?
Franconian_Nomad, There were actual listening stations with headphones here in Germany at certain media chains. Some people spent whole afternoons in there.
But yeah, the opposite did exist. I remember, when I was a teenager friends got a dozen or more CDs for their birthday. Good old 1998.
TropicalDingdong, Also standing there for 45 minutes to listen to the entire thing? Who actually does that?
Me. It was me. I was 14. I listened to the whole thing. I think the name of the store was “The Warehouse” and maybe another was called “Good Guys”? But yeah. Both. I’d take the bus to the mall and sit on that raggedy ass carpet that smelled like a movie theater floor and listened to the whole damn album. All of them actually (usually like 6-8 per station?) until the manager told me to leave. A couple times clerks would hook me up with burned demos.
But yeah. It was me.
schmidtster, I guess as an escape, was thinking purely consumerism. My bad.
explodicle, You’re not wrong, but there were definitely people who spent tons of time listening to music at the record store.
schmidtster, I guess, I was thinking of strictly purchasing. Yeah some people do just go and hang out and chill instead.
thelsim, God, I miss test listens. My favorite record store was very easy going in this, they’d happily let me stand there listening to most of the CD. The unspoken rule was that if you spend that much time listening, you’re going to buy it anyway.
One of the few shops where I always felt welcome.
Gurfaild, In the 2000s, some electronics stores where I lived had “jukeboxes” with headphones and a barcode scanner, so you could listen to 30-second snippets of the songs on an album before buying it.
BruceTwarzen, A lot of people still bought whole cd's because it had that one song from the radio on it.
Track_Shovel, I’m old enough to know the pencil trick to fix a cassette that got eaten by the stereo…
DharmaCurious, I still keep a pencil in my car. I know there’s no cassette to play, but my car feels naked with a pencil rolling around the center console or in the little tray on the dash.
Lileath, I also learned how to do this as a child but I am probably a bit younger than you at 18yo.
Getawombatupya, “Old or poor…”
Lileath, It was less that we were poor and more that my parents had a lot of music and radio dramas on different media. My father still has more than two hundred vinyl disks that he plays semiregularly and I have an old audio tape player/recorder sitting around in my bedroom although I don’t really use that one.
Getawombatupya, Just having a joke, glad to hear people committed to the old media
CylustheVirus, Kazaa, limewire. One - Metallica.mp3.exe as far as the eye can see.
DmMacniel, That file was the best. I could have made a collection out of them xD
Getawombatupya, Format C:, Reinstall XP
DmMacniel, In 1999? Uuuuh.
backhdlp, No wonder piracy was so popular
squiblet, In the pre-Internet early 90s, CDs were $15-25 (with inflation, about $40 now)…. And for a lot of music, you had no way of hearing it first. Shoplifting was popular.
7u5k3n, Man came here to say this… Hell I was in a class action lawsuit in the early 2000s because of CD pricing. billboard.com/…/cd-price-fixing-suit-settled-for-…
Shit was super expensive back in the day.
But as weird Al says… How else is he going to get a diamond encrusted swimming pool?
SternburgExport, At least later on a lot of shops had these listening stations.
ThirdWorldOrder, That’s why I always wore my umbro shorts with the inner liner before I went to Walmart
noobdoomguy8658, 1999 piracy mostly consisted of paying for a pirated copy that someone decided to make profit off; most likely, they weren’t the person to make the (first!) copy, and they’re not even sure what’s on the thing they were selling you. It was mostly bootlegging.
Confuzzeled, When I was a kid we still recorded stuff off the radio and copied our zx spectrum games on the family hi-fi. I’d say good times but it’s so much better now I can pirate everything in great quality from teh interwebs.
Selmafudd, My memory is a little fuzzy with dates but I’m pretty sure Napster was going full steam by '99 but even before that we used to trade mp3 files on mIRC or ICQ+CuteFTP, I had hundreds of albums I never paid for which I am still amazed I managed to do over a shared 56k connection
Getawombatupya, Like buying a game CD and a warez copy bypass and the crew doing an ASCII art walk through, bought for $5 from a classmate
Or shareware floppy disks with copyright bypass
kratoz29, For real… I never had this problem before… Currently I’m a proud Spotify user.
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