FarFarAway, (edited )

Explain new Mexico then. /s

Ultragramps,
@Ultragramps@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

This may have been the question that the aliens wanted answered, when they landed there.

steakmeout,

New Zealand, named by America.

Ultragramps,
@Ultragramps@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

They named New Mexico, too, and it was so cool that aliens came to check out the city of Roswell.

nxdefiant, (edited )

After they were actually American, they resorted to “What it was called by the people who lived here first, but pronounced wrong”

lugal,

who lived here first

Sounds like they still live here. And sounds like they were a homogeneous mass. There were differnt cultures living together and to choose a word they used, is a nice gesture, but still it was the whites who decided which one to pick

SwingingTheLamp,

Hey, that’s just not true. Sure, the name of my state is Wisconsin, but we also have names based on “What it was called by the French, but pronounced wrong,” like Beloit (“buh-loit”), Butte des Morts (“boo-da-more”), and Lac Courte Oreilles (“la-coo-der-ray”).

nxdefiant,

true

elcheaponcod,

You need all the inspiration you can get .

HootinNHollerin,

The Europeans that went to America were the ones doing that though

criitz,

Yeah they were still Europeans when they names them. This should be the Obama award meme

lugal,

They were. The American identity came later. Until the war of independence, settlers identified with the European countries of their heritage

Che_Donkey,
@Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml avatar

…still do

lugal,

I don’t live in America but I think most would consider themselves Americans. They are proud of the flag and the constitution and stuff. In the 1600s, you wouldn’t have figured a white person when someone said “American”. The whites were Brits or Germans or French, but not American. The natives were Americans.

WarmSoda,

In america we refer to our families by their heritage. Italian American. Irish American. Etc.

Che_Donkey,
@Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml avatar

this statement sums it up nicely. Anecdotally, when I lived in Buenos Aires, every single person was "second generation " Italian…lol

WarmSoda,

Lol yeah I’ve seen that before.

lugal,

Italian American. Irish American. Etc.

My point exactly. They aren’t Italians who happen to live in America but Americans with Italian heritage. And I’m not talking about first or second generation but like “white” people in general. The concept of whiteness exists since they started to be Americans.

WarmSoda,

I’m not really sure what you’re saying. There were no white people before the USA?

lugal,

No, but white people didn’t identify as Americans before that. Neither did they think of themselves as white but as Brits or what ever.

The concept of whiteness only makes sense when it’s in contrast to other, non-white groups. “We are Brits and the Germans aren’t” morphed into “We and the Germans are white and the natives and slaves aren’t”. Hope that makes sense.

criitz, (edited )

Americans consider themselves Americans, but especially in the early days of the melting pot, cultural identity, and specifically that heritage was important. That’s why Americans are always saying they are Irish or Italian or whatever. The actual people from those countries laugh or get defensive about Americans who have never left the US claiming that heritage, but there’s a reason behind it.

acockworkorange,

It’s weird. Someone once told me her husband was German after I mentioned I lived there for a while. So I asked where they’re from, maybe I knew. “From Mississippi…”

kemsat,

They still are. Note how the USA helps Ukraine, primarily white country, but not so much countries that are primarily brown people.

Blackmist,

They don’t help Ukraine because white.

They help Ukraine because fuck Russia.

See also Afghanistan (70s and 80s edition, not the remake)

kersploosh, (edited )
@kersploosh@sh.itjust.works avatar

A lot of the time they didn’t even bother appending “New.” We have way too many Berlins, Manchesters, Lebanons, etc.

Our native-inspired place names are the superior place names, anyway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_place_names_of_Native_American_origin_in_the_United_States

Assman,
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lebanonusa.com

kersploosh,
@kersploosh@sh.itjust.works avatar

Thanks for that! What a good idea for a road trip.

Assman,
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