gerowen,

Planned obsolescence

Quexotic,

Having worked in the industry at that time, there were 2 main reasons they did it like that

  • batteries were quite unreliable and failed often
  • mfgrs couldn’t afford to have one year warranties and send out field replacement units for a battery

And the reasons they stopped doing it…

  • batteries got better
  • battery contact failure was higher than battery failure.
  • replaceable batteries compromise waterproofing

I think they should still be replacible, but they should have better connectors that are sealed off from the rest of the device. It costs a tiny bit more to do that engineering though.

orrk,

battery contact failure was higher than battery failure.

quite a feat, only doable if you try to make it fail

replaceable batteries compromise waterproofing

this is in no way true, and is a bold face industry lie. There is no shortage of water PROOF and not just resistant electronic equipment that feature replaceable batteries.

the reason replaceable batteries were removed is entirely due to planned obsolescence.

pearsaltchocolatebar,

It has more to do with size than anything. A waterproof phone with a removable battery is going to be bulkier.

orrk,

not really, the phones we have are basically all water-resistant, so they definitely aren’t waterproof (makes you wonder just why this argument is repeated so much)

and it doesn’t require something to be bulkier to make it waterproof, unless you are deep sea diving, but I think at the point where you require over $100,000 in gear to reach said point, I don’t think a deep sea diving case is out of the budget.

case n’ point, watches

Quexotic,

Look dude, I made my position clear. Just speaking what I’ve seen in the industry while repairing phones.

If you don’t want to believe contacts are a point of failure, I’m not sure what to tell you.

orrk,

the most common failure on a Bosh SPS drill is the actuator arm for the pounding motion, and this is commonly shared among several power tool brands with SPS drills.

you could make the argument that these parts just fail more often, and if you go by what broke, that would make you think it’s a reasonable conclusion.

Until I tell you that said actuator arm is made of injection mold plastic and all other parts of this assembly are made of steel. So in reality, this part that just happens to break more often is doing so because it was meant to, we are more than capable of creating contact terminals that don’t break as easily

Cool_Name, (edited )

I use an HTC TCL vive. I can text, place phone calls, and barely take a picture, but god damn it I can replace the battery.

PanArab,

A lot of anti-user design choices were first introduced by the iPhone. As someone who has owned iPhones since the iPhone 3G, I blame myself.

rimjob_rainer,

EU to the rescue

Thoth19,

It’s a pain. I love replaceable batteries too. It took me hours to change mine on my pixel. But why is it hard to get out: phones are slimmer and processor more. So you need to get the battery wedged in there and properly thermally insulated. It’s a lot harder to do that while also making it easily field replaceable

Jarix,

Well i wont argue about knowledge with Thoth, i will add to this that they want you to replace your phone instead of fixing it

Jarix,

For context

Thoth, Lord of Wisdom

Biography Not even the oldest or wisest of the gods knows Thoth’s true origin. Thoth can not remember the earlier part of his existence. He knows that he was very different and there is something in the back of his mind, but he just can’t remember. Thoth symbolizes wisdom, knowledge, and invention. Yet, despite his learning and knowledge, there is a bit of larceny in his heart, for he admires cunning, deception and people who use their wits and a quick tongue. Thus, he is the patron of magic, and of all fast speaking, thieving, quick-witted creatures. Thoth himself is a great orator, scholar, and author of many books about magic and history. Books about magic circles, symbols, wards, magic spells, a study of alchemy, an alchemy recipe book, and many others are among his credits. He writes all of his books in a secret code (hieroglyph and runes), although a few have been stolen and translated. Legend attributes Thoth as the inventor of rune magic, the runic alphabet, Diabolism and wards, pyramid magic, and all the sciences. He is cursed with eternal curiosity and cannot remember the days of his youth. Thoth is one of the few beings who has a complete knowledge of rune magic and it is he who has constructed many of the greatest rune weapons in the possession of the gods of Ma’ip, both good and evil. He is constantly experimenting, exploring or investigating something. Just about any magic device or component, herb, potion, magic component and the exotic are available to Thoth. He has dozens of magic wands, staves, enchanted cauldrons, manacles, amulets, books, and many other things of magic in his massive personal collection. Thoth also has a small zoo, and books and artifacts from dozens of different civilizations.

(Palladium Rifts)

stoly,

I suspect that this was considered a feature when it was fist envisioned and technology progressed so quickly that you needed a new phone each year just to use available services. In that light, it didn’t matter if your battery only lasted 2 years.

Now that you can run your cell phone easily for 5 - 7 years, batteries are important again. Thank you EU for requiring replaceable ones in the future, you may have helped the entire world.

andrefsp,
@andrefsp@lemmy.world avatar

Grandma is right on this one!

kumatomic,

They also had keyboards that worked well and there was even real competition for on-screen keyboards until Google bought out and dissolved the best keyboard because they really want your ducking typing data.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

EU, I belive in you!

sxan,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

The EU, despite (valid) criticisms and pravacy mis-steps, is right now the only large, powerful organization fighting for consumer rights. I wish I, as an American, could support them, because the laws the EU is passing benefit me as well.

Go EU, indeed!

renzev,

Recently switched from a certain predatory fruity phone to a phone from a certain Dutch manufacturer that has removable battery and replaceable parts. At some point, it got water damaged, and the charging circuit stopped working. While I’m waiting for the replacement part to arrive, I can continue using it by charging the battery with a bench power supply. Feels good man!

practisevoodoo,

Come on, give us a name. I need to replace my phone and something repairable appeals.

hexortor,

Probably the fairphone

Yerbouti,

Capitalism removed!

lukecooperatus, (edited )
@lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml avatar

Capitalism removed!

I wish capitalism was removed.

RizzRustbolt,

Need to double tap it and put it out of its misery.

aliteral,

Burn it and bury it too so it can’t resucitate itself.

RizzRustbolt,

That’s how you get a Dry Body.

HawlSera, (edited )

That’s actually making a comeback because the EU got pissed.

My phone’s brand new and it has a removable battery, not even in the EU

fat_stig,

I think it is because the EU listened to the people. This is what you get when elected representatives are not bankrolled by big business, and are allowed to enact legislation that doesn’t only benefit one side.

SuddenDownpour,

The EU has politicians that manage to legislate against the interests of gigantic tech corporations because European tech corporations are far smaller, and thus have much less leverage. Even if the US political system was significantly less corrupt, they’d probably still have issues to legislate against them.

redditReallySucks, (edited )
@redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

This is what you get when elected representatives are not bankrolled

The car lobby in the eu: Am I a joke to you?

orrk,

yet cars in the EU still have higher standards, so where does that leave us?

Maggoty,

To sell you more phones. Duh.

brey1013,

OP up in here learning about late-stage capitalism like 😲

slazer2au,

Mine still does. 2 Sim slots and a SD slot. Not one of those Sim/sd combo ports.

plactagonic,

Fp 3?

slazer2au,
YoorWeb,

Looks alright, had any issues with it?

slazer2au,

My only problem is the charging circuit could do with more isolation. When using wired earphones and charging from a wall socket there is some feedback onto the earphones.

Other than that, no issue.

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