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pineapplelover, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

There was a lemmy post that showed beautiful pictures of Israel and Hamas before the attacks and I can’t seem to find that post.

ram, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend
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Five, (edited ) in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

Engineers for Palestine

A group of engineers advocating for a Free and Liberated Palestine 🇵🇸

Five, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

Journalist Rips Palestinian ‘Terrorism’ Narrative to Shreds

Israel has been calling Palestinian fighters “terrorists” to justify its slaughter of Gaza.

Breakthrough News journalist, Eugene Puryear, rips this narrative apart, explaining the long history of oppressed and colonized people being demonized and called terrorists and savage to justify the continued occupation of those people. No different than the Native resistance to American colonization, slave rebellions in the Americas, the Haitian Revolution, Palestinians are resisting Israeli colonialism, not out of bloodlust as the media has portrayed it, but because of decades of land thefts, massacres, second-class citizenship and the denial of the right to return that has persisted for decades.

jarfil,

This seems to be missing the meaning of the word “terrorist”, as in anyone espousing the ideology of instilling fear as a weapon.

Five, (edited )

as in anyone espousing the ideology of instilling fear as a weapon.

I wish that was what the word “terrorist” means.

It has always meant anyone using asymmetric tactics to oppose states or capitalism, both violent and non-violent. If it simply meant using fear as a weapon, then every state that has prisons and police would be terrorist.

The standard usage of the word is so hypocritical that it has become an authoritarian allegiance-signifying pejorative without any deeper meaning.

jarfil,

If it simply meant using fear as a weapon, then every state that has prisons and police would be terrorist.

Well… you said it 🙈

The Oxford definition adds “unlawful” as an extra requirement, but I’d readily call Iran’s morality police “terrorist”, despite being lawful and state sponsored.

Five, (edited )

I agree Iran uses fear to control its citizens, but that’s a pretty facile statement in an English speaking community. How do you feel about Anastasija Kukhta or Mikhail Lazakovich, both convicted of terrorism?

jarfil,

Russia and Belarus also use fear to control their citizens. Setting a place on fire to make the state fear you, definitely can be called terrorism. Asking for sanctions against a state… hm, kind of? Technically, many of the sanctions against Russia are also intended to instill fear, including amongst civilians so they stop supporting their state. Making the EU fear whether it will have enough fuel for the winter, is another case.

There’s a lot of terrorising going around these days.

Five, (edited )

The word is useless for describing violent acts in a meaningful way. It can mean making children traumatized with bombs, or making HOA members afraid their property value will decrease with graffiti, vastly different actions and outcomes.

Tellingly, none of the people who tried to overthrow the government and caused hundreds of senators and congresspeople to retreat in fear have been charged with terrorism.

Meanwhile, people who take videos of animal abuse on farms are terrorists. Eric King is housed at the infamous prison for terrorists ADX Florence, and is referred to the counterterrorism unit for passing out Union cards.

No one who wants to be taken seriously should use the word “terrorist” in a descriptive context. It is not a meaningful word, it’s a noise people make when the word they actually mean is socially inappropriate or politically inopportune.

jarfil,

The word is useless for describing violent acts in a meaningful way

Agree.

It is not a meaningful word

Disagree.

“Terrorism” has a clear meaning, and observing when people use it, or avoid using it, is even more meaningful, as proven by those examples.

PS: I’ve been called a “no freeloading terrorist”, a “TV remote terrorist”, and a “cleaning terrorist”. It may not tell you much about what I did, but it should convey enough meaning about what they were thinking.

Five,

It seems the person who called you a terrorist did not want to be taken seriously :)

superflippy, in Australia rejects proposal to recognise Aboriginal people in constitution

Can someone Australian explain why there was so much opposition to this?

Nonameuser678,
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How much time have you got? I guess the biggest factor is that referendums are hard to pass in Australia, especially when the campaign becomes partisan. And this one was VERY partisan. But also Australia has a particular type of racist ignorance when it comes to our First Nations Peoples and our colonial history in general. We’re now currently the only settler colonial nation that has not recognised its First Nations Peoples in their constitution. Settler colonialism is not a competition, but if it was Australia kind of wins the gold. I say that as a white Australian.

taanegl,

I’m Norwegian and even though the Saami have their own government within the nation state of Norway there are still plenty of people in denial of the apartheid that was done against them. For each year the Sami government is delegitemised and it’s done through nationalistic fervour.

Nationalism and intellectual suicide go hand in hand.

trustnoone,

There’s a lot of different views, many with some truths to it. I’ll try to give an answer but please take into account my answer is quite bias too.

The question, unlike the title of the article, the actual vote is on

whether the Constitution should be changed to include a recognition of the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice.

The problem is, how exactly or what exactly is an Aboriginal/Torres strait Islander voice. It’s not like Australia is voting to not give these groups voting rights like many articles seem to suggest.

It’s about what does this voice mean, do they have the power over government, can they stop laws, does it even help, whose even in it?

And there is no answer real answer, most answers I see are “it’s about creating a voice” or “we want to see Aus support before putting into action” etc (this may have changed later but that was the initial info I was getting), so you basically asked the Australian people to vote into changing the consitution on a potential something? Which for many feels like a permanent change or an unknown thing.

So all the no side had to do was be like “oh if you don’t know, then best to err on the safe side and vote no”. “Who knows what this could do”. “You can always wait and change it later”.

Imo the votes would have been very different if it instead just asked “would you like to see an Aboriginal / Torres strait Islander voice in government” and not touched the constitution. Or if they just made the voice/team/group and showed Aus how helpful it was before asking them to change the consitution.

And (I’m prob showing more bias here) if the yes side didn’t just call everyone racist who looked at the no vote (which I believe many are swing voters), it couldve provided enough time/listening to make changes to the argument that would change the voters. For example if they made it clear that it would just be used to support better decision making and help understanding etc. Though I can’t be too harsh when many of the no side arguments felt objectively like lies.

dmtr33d,

The usual things… fear, ignorance and racism.

phonyphanty,

Racism and lack of bipartisan support were likely huge factors as other commenters said. There was also division between Indigenous people regarding the efficacy of the Voice to Parliament. Some saw it as a great step forward, others saw it as toothless or symbolic, others still believed it would delegitimise their sovereignty over the land. The Opposition latched onto this for their own gains I believe. Together with Fair Australia (conservative lobbying group) they dealed in fear, misinformation and distrust. They absolutely dominated over social media and took control of the narrative very quickly. This became a lot easier for them due to the cost of living crisis. Take a White Australian in the outer suburbs or rural areas, tell them to care about this thing they don’t understand instead of their rising mortgage payments and cost of groceries, when the Opposition is feeding into their latent ignorance and distrust of First Nations people that all Australians have, and you’ve lost them already.

averyminya,

This reads eerily similar, so basically the same parallel that the U.S. and Australia have been struggling with together for the last 20 years (and assuredly before then).

Five, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

Corporate Media Outlets Are Obscuring Settler Colonialism in Their Gaza Coverage

It is impossible to accurately grasp the current situation without discussing the concept of settler colonialism.

superflippy, in Council of Europe votes to recognize Holodomor as genocide

I recommend watching the movie Mr. Jones if you’d like to learn more about the Holodomor.

Five, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

Israel Is ‘Very Sorry’ For Attack That Killed Journalist Issam Abdallah

The Israeli army has expressed that they are “very sorry” for the death of Lebanese Reuters journalist Issam Abdallah, who was killed in an Israeli shelling at the Lebanon border.

Despite the IDF’s expression of regret, the vehicle Abdallah was in was clearly marked as a media car. The incident occurred while Abdallah and other journalists were covering ongoing clashes at the border.

Lebanon’s caretaker Prime Minister Najib Mikati condemned Israel’s actions, and UN Secretary-General António Guterres expressed condolences, emphasizing the need for journalists to be protected.

luciole, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend
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sdx, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend
hassanmckusick,

The IDF said that just like they said there were a bunch of decapitated babies before they walked that lie back

sdx,

What other purpose do you think the trucks barring the route south could serve?

hassanmckusick,

What?

No that’s exactly what they’re for. But there’s no proof in that tweet of who put them there

sdx,

Who do you think put them there on the coastal road?

hassanmckusick,

I’m sorry is Hamas Aqua-Man now? Wtf does proximity to the ocean have to do with anything?

zerfuffle,

IDF reliability in reporting is at an all-time low.

Rentlar, in Australia rejects proposal to recognise Aboriginal people in constitution

Latest result is 39.7% For / 60.3% Against.

ram, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend
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ram, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend
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sdx, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

The USA are deploying a second CSG to the eastern Mediterranean

I have directed the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group (CSG) to begin moving to the Eastern Mediterranean. As part of our effort to deter hostile actions against Israel or any efforts toward widening this war following Hamas’s attack on Israel, the Strike Group includes the guided-missile cruiser USS Philippine Sea (CG 58), guided-missile destroyers USS Gravely (DDG 107) and USS Mason (DDG 87), and Carrier Air Wing 3, with nine aircraft squadrons, and embarked headquarters staffs.

sdx, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend
Krauerking,

Oh come on… Who wants to commit war crimes on a dreary day? Let’s get some sun in here so the IDF can really see the blood spray as they shoot civilians.

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