news

This magazine is from a federated server and may be incomplete. Browse more on the original instance.

DieguiTux8623, in Netanyahu declares holy war against Gaza, citing the Bible

The Old Testament is full of rules and commandments that, taken completely out of context and applied literally, would lead any modern society to collapse. In the west we thought we knew better than bronze age nomadic tribes of the Middle East, after the scientific and industrial revolutions, but in the end we keep going back to the Bible for directions. Fundamentalist christians are no exception. We should review the way we think about ourselves as “progressed” and civilized societies.

Maeve,

It’s pretty awful in context.

dudinax,

And was meant to be taken literally.

JimmyBigSausage, in Netanyahu declares holy war against Gaza, citing the Bible

Imagine no religion.

Hirom, in Netanyahu declares holy war against Gaza, citing the Bible

Be aware that Middle East Monitor is rated “Factual reporting: Mixed” and strongly biased as it sometime use poor sources and use loaded words.

La Croix published an alaysis of this Isaiah Prophecy quote (french). They found it’s a poor and/or convoluted reference, and that article do not mention “Holy War” so this expression is most likely editorializing from the Middle East Monitor.

GiddyGap,

It’s really just a video of Netanyahu saying the words himself. It’s not interpreted or analysed by the website. Don’t see how that can be very biased.

Hirom,

I watched it a second time to be sure. While the voiceover doesn’t say “Holy War” he does cite religion and sounds like religious radicals dog-whistle.

There’s good reasons to be critical of Netanyahu government, but I’d still suggest seeking better sources.

xgranade, (edited )

It may indeed be, I’m not familiar with Middle East Monitor, but Media Bias/Fact Check are themselves rather infamously biased towards the American right wing. For example, they list the New York Times as nearly as left-biased as their scale goes, despite that the Times has largely taken the Republican party line on a number of issues, such as queer rights (their deceptive coverage of trans rights has been a large part of the current moral panic, and has led to multiple open lettersof protest). The Times was even instrumental in elevating Trump to the presidency with their incredibly dubious decision to give Comey’s procedural memo front page placement and a misleading headline mere days before the election — a choice that Nate Silver has said was possibly deciding on the election. The Guardian is also listed as left-center despite even more extreme transphobic editorial decisions than even the Times.

Similarly, they list MSNBC as far-left, despite them having Republican-led shows and frequent Republican guests. I’ll definitely agree there’s some degree to which they’re on the left, but it’s pretty minor all told. The idea that they’re far left is just ridiculous, and one that only makes sense from the perspective of America’s right-wing culture.

At the same time, they list Wall Street Journal as mostly credible, something that just isn’t a serious take on media credibility.

(Edited to add: a lot of this comes down to the very strong bias in American media towards the “both sides” idea that if two sources disagree, the truth must be in the middle. That bias is especially clear in discussions of climate change, but it’s also prevalent in discussions of other political issues more generally.)

Powderhorn,
@Powderhorn@beehaw.org avatar

As usual, our Overton window is all that matters to people in the states. There’s some active debate about how much longer centralized media control in all legacy formats will mean the level of control the phrase implies, but until that shifts, Overton is staying put.

bedrooms,

Nah, news organizations aren't internet echo chamber.

I mean, if they write dozens of opinions a day, news organizations labeled center-left or even left-leaning have to go to the other side sometimes. If not, they're just propaganda machines.

Heresy_generator, in Netanyahu declares holy war against Gaza, citing the Bible
@Heresy_generator@kbin.social avatar

Even though Netanyahu is Jewish, he knows using (and in this case abusing) the Christian bible

He's citing the Hebrew Bible.

lemming,

There’s truly no shortage of uninformed takes on the Isreal Palestine situation.

azdalen,

“no one said people were smart” - unknown

🙃

sorchist,

Not only is he citing the Hebrew Bible, it SAYS IN THE LINK THAT HE POSTED THAT HE’S CITING THE HEBREW BIBLE.

Seriously, kids these days, it’s like nobody goes to Vacation Bible School anymore

floofloof, in ‘Children were carrying other injured children.’ Witness describes aftermath of Israeli strike on Gaza refugee camp | CNN
khalic, in Netanyahu declares holy war against Gaza, citing the Bible

Lol this is a propaganda outlet

GiddyGap,

It’s Netanyahu speaking directly in a video. Not being interpreted or analysed by the outlet.

khalic,

Then it must be easy to find a reliable source

squaresinger,

I found a few sources:

-Times of Israel: timesofisrael.com/…/netanyahu-goal-of-war-is-to-d…-Wall Street Journal: wsj.com/…/amalek-and-jihad-israel-ground-invasion…-Times of India: m.timesofindia.com/world/…/104802548.cms-TAZ: taz.de/…/-NBC: nbcnews.com/…/israel-hamas-war-gaza-attacks-hamas…-MSN: www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/…/ar-AA1j2pvC

Google has a huge amount of hits on this topic. Seems pretty certain that he used a Nazi reference.

khalic,

Thanks for completeness… what a crazy asshole

Blackout, in Netanyahu declares holy war against Gaza, citing the Bible
@Blackout@kbin.social avatar

He can't be held responsible for his failure to protect his people if they are in a constant state of war. How long before mideast instability drags us all back?

Pat_Riot, in Netanyahu declares holy war against Gaza, citing the Bible
@Pat_Riot@lemmy.today avatar

If he pulls out some old testament shit he’s good to go. The Israelites were told to destroy Jericho completely in the story I remember. Just change the name to Gaza and it works out great for him.

JakeBacon,

Funnily enough (not funny actually, considering the war crimes and all), the Old Testament says that the Jews/Isrealites will never get rid of other people living in the area due to not driving them out in their original conquest.

Pat_Riot,
@Pat_Riot@lemmy.today avatar

I do love a good irony. Only atheists actually read religious texts though.

solanaceous,

I was having a weird one today so I read through the book of Amos. It’s shockingly similar to the current situation.

Amos prophesied that Gaza would be destroyed, even genocided, as a reaction to crimes that included kidnapping entire communities. But that’s just an intro to a prophecy that Israel would be violently and mercilessly destroyed in response to a long list of their own crimes.

I’m not saying that Amos predicted the current situation, just that it’s sad how little we’ve improved in 2500 years.

MaxHardwood,

Prophecies require explicit parameters. Anything else is ad-hoc and you can fit nearly anything to be a prophecy after the fact.

alyaza, in Bolivia severs ties with Israel, others recall envoys over Gaza
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

Jordan also just recalled its ambassador like Chile and Colombia, although that’s not the same thing as severing relations

SlikPikker, in Netanyahu declares holy war against Gaza, citing the Bible

Biblical Jews do seem to love murdering children.

He’s just keeping the tradition alive.

Psalms 137:9:

Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

admin,
@admin@beehaw.org avatar

Your comment could be easily taken as antisemitic. Our only rule at Beehaw is to be(e) nice. Please, keep this in mind for the future. BTW, you are using that Psalm outside of its historical context and does not apply to modern religious Jews.

shapesandstuff, in German politician held after Nazi slogan complaint

He was detained hours before he was due to gain immunity as an Alternative for Germany (AfD) MP when the parliament was sworn in on Monday afternoon.

Is it just me or is that sentence mangled a bit?

Regardless, I’m glad we’re seeing more and more consequences for these types of politician’s actions. Sadly most of the time, there’s either insufficient evidence or too many systemic issues to convict.

Like the recently leaked police chat, filled to the brim with antisemitism and nazi admiration was deemed “partially satire” and as such covered by freedom of art.

iHUNTcriminals, in Netanyahu declares holy war against Gaza, citing the Bible

Cool so I guess ww3 will be a jihad. Cool cool.

DragonTypeWyvern,

Uh, they’ll get fuckin rocked like every time since the fall of the Ottomans.

One of the reasons all the Islamic fundie types get hard for a new Caliphate is there simply isn’t a Muslim nation that can defend itself against Western aggression, except possibly Turkey, and guess who they’re allied with?

Caligvla, in Bolivia severs ties with Israel, others recall envoys over Gaza
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The way Israel has been politically crippling itself the last couple of weeks is crazy. Whatever the outcome of this war, they already lost a lot of face with many nations world over, I wonder how this will affect them going forward.

bedrooms,

Maybe we'll even call it a western variant of North Korea in the end. All autocrats head to NK apparently.

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

They’re all assholes in this holy war.

newtraditionalists, in German politician held after Nazi slogan complaint

I’m all for voting in younger representatives but I would never in a million years vote for a 22 year old. Or a racist for that matter. But the most shocking part to me is his age. Like, 22 year olds have not been alive long enough to develop any kind of meaningful wisdom. I’m only 36 so my wisdom is only just developing and I look back on all the 22 year olds I knew when I was 22 and holy shit do not put any of those people in charge of important decisions.

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Depends on the position. County Clerk, absolutely.

agressivelyPassive,

He’s not elected directly, but via a list. That is, the party has a list of candidates and according to the number of seats they get in the election, the candidates fill in the seats.

Since the AfD was kind of on a rise and probably got more seats than candidates, they’ll put almost whoever on this list.

newtraditionalists,

Interesting. My point still stands though. It’s crazy that a party would have a 22 year old on said list, and that anyone would support a party that has a list with 22 year olds on it.

agressivelyPassive,

Have looked into the AfD? They’re basically a party of rightwing self-victimizers, frustrated lowlifes and downright nazis. Their voters don’t care about facts or reality. Case in point: the current head of the party is a lesbian, married to an Indonesian woman living in Switzerland. This entire party is a contradiction in itself.

If you’re from the US, they’re maybe comparable to the MAGA crowd.

marco,
@marco@beehaw.org avatar

More like the Tea Party for me. In Cinemas soon: TEA PARTY the MAGA origin-story

Pistcow, in Don’t fall into the trap of ‘picking sides’ over Gaza: Hamas’s attacks were unconscionable, razing Gaza to the ground would be abhorrent. In both cases, basic humanity is at stake --- [Opinion]

The organizations are the ones that can fuck off. It’s the people that are suffering.

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • news@beehaw.org
  • localhost
  • All magazines
  • Loading…
    Loading the web debug toolbar…
    Attempt #