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feral_hedgehog, in Ex-Human Rights Watch chief - Israel violating humanitarian law in Gaza
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ram,
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Uhm…

t3rmit3,

Given the white coat, that’s pretty accurate to what Palestinian doctors would be experiencing…

alyaza,
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leave it to Charlie Hebdo to place themselves firmly in the “dumb take” camp

feral_hedgehog,
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Yeah, what could those out of touch edgelords possibly know about terrorism?

alyaza,
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the fact that they were victims of terrorism as a publication does not suddenly exempt them from having dumb takes, and bluntly their “satire” is often far closer to actual islamophobia than humor.

dangblingus,

Most Western countries have to be seen as pro-Israel no matter what to deter accusations of anti-semitism or pro-nazism. Charlie Hebdo used to be scathing satire and now is just the magazine for Islamophobic European neolibs or conservatives. Its bush league satire and really low effort and blatant racism to troll Muslims.

dangblingus,

Yeah all those kids in Gaza sure do deserve to die of dehydration.

feral_hedgehog,
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If you look closely at the picture you’ll see that it is in fact a Hamas terrorist, and not a child - don’t feel bad though, it’s a common mistake ^_^

cupcakezealot, in Ex-Human Rights Watch chief - Israel violating humanitarian law in Gaza
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i don’t understand how attacking ambulances and hospitals in gaza achieves anything for israel

dangblingus,

It gets the brown people out of Israel.

library_napper, in Ex-Human Rights Watch chief - Israel violating humanitarian law in Gaza
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Clicked the link and the “article” was 2 bullet points. Downvoted. Please link to actual articles

ram,
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  • the entire contents of the article is listed in the text description
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bedrooms, in Zelensky asks to visit Israel in show of solidarity

I understand that Zelensky has no choice but support Netanyahu. But it seems Netanyahu's a monster who forces Zelensky call for other nations to join for Israel's psyop on utilizing genocide.

Rapidcreek,

So BiBi is making Zelensky do this?

neptune,

The thought is that the US is implying or directly stating that support for Ukraine is contingent on Zelensky supporting Isreal.

Rapidcreek,

The same thing that happened to Israel happened to Ukraine. Russians have slaughtered whole towns in Ukraine. Zelensky is simply being empathetic.

neptune,

This sort of implies Ukraine is an apartheid state carelessly starving and stealing from Russians for decades.

Yes the victims of the recent attack deserve sympathy, but this is not a blank check for a continued genocide against Gaza or other Palestinians.

They aren’t really the same.

Rapidcreek,

This sort of implies Ukraine is an apartheid state carelessly starving and stealing from Russians for decades.

If that’s your take I think you’re trying too hard,

neptune,

Trying too hard? To make sense of a complicated global issue? That’s a bad thing?

Rapidcreek,

You really need to put a logic line between your thoughts and see if you connect things. Don’t try to make things uneccsaily complicated.

neptune,

I’m sorry, but this is some serious mental gymnastics. “Don’t try to hard but use logic to justify your emotions about supporting a war of choice.”

No thanks.

cupcakezealot, in Few Good Options as Israel Weighs a Ground Assault on the Gaza Strip
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not committing war crimes, apartheid, and genocide is a good option

khalic,

So, they should accept the massacre and feel bad about themselves?

cupcakezealot,
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they shouldn’t respond to an attack by killing innocent civilians also they’ve been brutally dehumanitizing and terrorising Palestinians in Gaza for years

khalic,

The deliberate targeting of civilians is horrible. But it’s well documented that hamas uses people as meat shields, by using civilian buildings as ammo depots and rocket launching platforms. That’s, unfortunately, a fair target then…

cupcakezealot, (edited )
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gaza is literally a small territory surrounded by water and israel where do you think people would be that aren’t targets for missles that level entire city blocks?

khalic,

Israel definitely could have avoided this, and not fuck up the whole situation so much, but it’s not a simple matter… and self defense is a simple matter… if someone shoots at you, you kill them. That’s what happens when you take a gun. If you massacre a bunch of civilians, then people are going to shoot at you and your accomplices with passion

cupcakezealot,
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but then doesn’t that mean palestinians have a right to self defence?

khalic,

Military targets yes, if there is a missile launcher or ammo in an israeli building, yes it is a valid target. You have to right to kill anyone who’s actively trying kill you.

Rapidcreek, in Ex-Human Rights Watch chief - Israel violating humanitarian law in Gaza

There are still over a hundred hostages. Crank down on Gaza…no electricity, etc…and you’ll eventually get some intel on where they are at. It’s war, and they put themselves in this position.

dangblingus,

I assure you, Palestinian civilians didnt put themselves in Gaza. The Israeli government created the ghetto prison known as Gaza and relegated the Palestinians to it.

Rapidcreek,

The basic problem is that Palestinians never got their Gandhi. Instead they got violent ass clowns.

emma,
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Egypt took Gaza in the '48 war, built camps and put Palestinians (then called Arabs, the word “Palestinian” still most often referred to Jews) in them. Nobody much cared until Israel took the territory in the Six Day War and Egypt refused to take it back after.

Likewise Jordan annexed West Bank, built its camps, put Palestinians in them and held it until '67. Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt all built camps for Palestinians WITHIN their own borders and refused to assimilate them or allow them to become citizens. They used Palestinians as pawns in their quest to eliminate the infidel state. It didn’t work. No one much cared unless the pawns can be used against Israel.

Palestinians who remained in Israel are now citizens with voting rights etc. Israel didn’t chuck them in camps like their neighbours did.

The camps are now cities by the way. But no one calls them that, cause “camps” is better to use against Israel.

livus,
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they put themselves in this position.

The civillians there did not. The last election in Gaza was held 17 years ago.

The median age in Gaza is around 18 meaning the leadership was chosen when half the population hadn't even been born yet, let alone able to vote.

To put that in perspective it's like if the US was still ruled by George Bush and no one had ever had a chance to vote him out.

Rapidcreek,

They surely did, by harboring Hamas and not demanding better.

livus,
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@Rapidcreek I suppose you probably blame the citizens of North Korea for "harbouring" Kim Jong Un, too. But that's just not how life actually works.

Collective punishment of civillians is always a war crime, but blaming people with no access to free and fair elections in order to justify it is particularly cynical, especially when nearly half of them are still children.

Rapidcreek,

I do. They let Kim be their ruler do they not?

TWeaK,

So it’s the fault of oppressed people for being oppressed?

Rapidcreek,

You can take a walk through history and see oppressor and oppressed in every era. A common thread is when people are oppressed by internal forces they either revolt and take power or simply live with the oppression. Even the attempt to revolt is important.

Gaza has a two fold problem. First they ruled by Hamas who don’t give a shit about them. Plenty of Palestinians hate Hamas, but not enough to make a difference. Secondly, they are oppressed by Israel due to Hamas.

They can either live with this or revolt. They’ve chosen to live with it.

rgb3x3,

Man, it’s a real sign of living the privileged, easy life when someone thinks this way.

Those people try to revolt and they die. They don’t revolt and still die. What kind of choice is that?

Rapidcreek,

Yeah they do. People that stand in front of tanks can get run over.

t3rmit3, (edited )

Palestinians literally protest this situation all the time, but are ignored, or shot for it.

“You didn’t violently rebel, so anything that happens to you (and your children) afterwards is your fault.” This is some straight evil shit.

prodigalsorcerer,

So according to you, Hamas is oppressing Palestinians, and Israel is oppressing Hamas, but it’s only righteous for Palestinians to stand up to Hamas. Isn’t it also important for Hamas to stand up to their oppressors?

dangblingus,

No. They didnt.

Seriously. Shut the fuck up. Theres 75 years of history you missed out on and youre exposing your lack of education.

Rapidcreek,

After WWIi the UN created N Korea, because the Japanese that occupied the entire peninsula, had withdrawn and because the Soviets as well as the US both felt they should have control. Russia soon got bored with a sphere of influence in the Pacific.

Got it right so far?

Unaware7013,

It’s war, and they put themselves in this position.

Did they also put themselves in the inhumane conditions that sparked this war too? Or is decades of inhumane treatment of the Palestinian people immaterial to the situation?

Because Israel is a good part of the reason Hamas is as powerful as they are, so I guess they put themselves in this position too?

Rapidcreek,

Hamas hates everyone even Palestinians. Who knows why they harbor them, but they do.

Unaware7013,

Who knows why they harbor them

Yeah, who could ever know why Palestine harbors the group that Israel funded to delegitimize the more moderate political parties? It's not like the group Israel funded explicitly advocates for aggression against Israel in the name of freeing the Palestinians from the murderous boot of Israel and their decades long campaign of slowly exterminating the Palestinians and stealing all of their land.

It's a complete mystery....

Paragone, in Netanyahu says Israel will ‘crush and destroy’ Hamas; every Hamas member is a ‘dead man’

Learned-helplessness produces both Nihilism & Sadism.

The Russian soldiers’ habit of making torture-chambers everywhere proves this.

Russian culture’s “fate regime” concept of relationship also proves this ( it proves the learned-helplessness aspect of it ).

( apparently that article explaining how in Russia, people entirely accept that fate, and nothing else, decides who marries who, is now … gone??

Neither DuckDuckGO nor google have it… )

Deterrent requires that both parties have aversion to destruction.

However, when 1 party has become nihilist, then they can assault the other as a means of baiting the other into sadistic-aggression, in order that all the neighbours commit to annihilating the one who was successfully baited into demonstrating genocidal sadism.

Israel won’t exist, in 10 years, no matter what, now.

NOTHING can make the Arab world accommodate its life, now.

Nothing.

The Christian Bible’s Matthew 24 had a prophecy that is about to become historical-fact, in the coming decade.

Here’s a decent version of it:

www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matt+24&…

That bit around verses 15-20 is the pertinent area.

Simply wait 1 decade, and see: if Israel still exists, as a country, in 2033, I’ll eat a hat.

And it was entirely preventable, had there been enough committment to having neutral authorities in West Bank ( UN ), and NO political-dishonesty OR nationalist bullying permitted from either side…

Needless, politically-enforced & needless…

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potterman28wxcv,

The Christian Bible’s Matthew 24 had a prophecy that is about to become historical-fact, in the coming decade.

Here’s a decent version of it:

www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matt+24&…

That bit around verses 15-20 is the pertinent area.

Simply wait 1 decade, and see: if Israel still exists, as a country, in 2033, I’ll eat a hat.

The nice thing about prophecies is that they can never be proven to be false. Indeed, one would have to examine the future to prove it wrong. Which is either impossible or unrealistic.

Me too I can make a ton of prophecies and claim they will be eventually right. I will never be wrong.

Let’s see. Let me prophesize that:

  • The US will cease to exist
  • We will encounter aliens
  • See where you are living right now? Eventually, it will be filled with lava.
  • See where you are living right now? Eventually, it will be flooded with water.
  • A giant comet populated with nyan cats will crash on Earth

However, you can be sure that in 2033 I will come back in this thread and have you eat a hat. Marking the date and the link in my calendar. If lemmy is still alive, that is

probably,

Wtf is this? Israel won’t exist in 10 years? The Arab world won’t accommodate them?

They are on better terms with much of the Arab world than they have ever been. They are certainly on better terms than Hamas is. Hamas has Hezbollah and Iran (Persian not Arab). Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Morocco, Bahrain, and Sudan all have formal relations with Israel. Turkey had long had formal relations with Israel.

And for most of those that are adamantly against Israel aren’t exactly in the position to really start something that they know would escalate to US involvement. You think Iran is going to Nuke them or something? Because Israel is rather established.

ours, in Netanyahu says Israel will ‘crush and destroy’ Hamas; every Hamas member is a ‘dead man’

What Hamas has done is horrendous and undefendable but there’s no military solution to removing extremism. They’ll just end up killing many more civilians than Hamas has murdered and cementing the next generation of extremists.

Israel will likely be able to crush Hamas as an organization but I doubt anything better will rise from its ashes. I’m certain it was Hamas’ goal to trigger such a reaction and with the escalation triggering a wider conflict.

bedrooms,

I don't think it was Hamas' calculation. That scenario assumes Hamas members literally dead.

raccoona_nongrata,
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They’ll just end up killing many more civilians than Hamas has murdered and cementing the next generation of extremists.

That’s basically Netanyahu’s entire MO. This attack has been a real boon for his brand of politics, especially given his recently waning support and legal troubles.

0x442e472e, in Google Passkeys Now Offered as Default Login Option for Personal Google Accounts: How it Works | Technology News

I am a big fan of Passkeys. However, I will refuse to use Passkeys until I can sync them using my own infrastructure. I hope no major site makes them mandatory until then

zazaserty, in Zelensky asks to visit Israel in show of solidarity
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The irony. Not that I fully support Palestine over Israel. But this doesnt make much sense.

Rapidcreek, in Ex-Human Rights Watch chief - Israel violating humanitarian law in Gaza

At first I thought this was about a terrorist attack that killed more than a thousand denying their human right to live. Then I remembered those didn’t have the right to exist in the first place.

bedrooms, in Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025

in an effort to slash pollution and reduce noise

I think that summarizes it. Not effective for tackling climate crisis.

JohnEdwa,

Focusing on passenger cars never will be, as their co2 output is only around 15% of the total in the EU. Every little bit helps, sure, but even getting completely rid of cars wouldn’t be enough.

ampersandrew,
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15% sounds like a great chunk to reduce.

JohnEdwa,

Except that 15% isn’t nearly enough to even really make a dent into climate change as a whole, and there is no way in the near foreseeable future to get anywhere near “nobody uses cars or anything that causes co2 emissions to move around.”

Even if everyone swapped to electric cars or alternative methods of transport asap, which would cause a huge spike in emissions from their manufacturing (~twice of an ICE car) and all the infrastructure work required to handle their charging and all the extra maintenance of roads required from having vehicles two to three times as heavy as most ICE cars run on them, let’s assume we’d get a reduction of 50% for personal transport - you’ve just spend an absurd amount of money and effort to reduce the overall emissions by 7.5%.
If 7.5% reduction is the goal that would be much cheaper, easier and faster to carve out of the energy sector, which currently accounts for around 70% of total co2 because majority of it is still made using fossil fuels.

We need to do it eventually, sure, and everyone who can afford to get an electric car should do so, but it’s like tackling plastic pollution by removing disposable straws and forks instead of concentrating on the massive amounts used by manufacturing sector - visible and gives everyone a nice fuzzy feeling they are doing something, while not actually achieving much. A good cause, but not the most pressing one by far.

upstream,

Principally agree. If we want to make a dent we need to be going into carbon capture mode - as most likely we’re already seeing cascading effects from the emissions already caused. Permafrost melting and releasing methane, the ocean warming up and holding less CO2.

But the numbers you use are horrid.

The average EV weighs maybe around 300 kg more than a comparable fossil car. Sure, the Hummer EV weighs a fuckton, but a regular Hummer ICE isn’t exactly a Lotus either.

The other negative trend in weight is the SUV-ification of society, and if you swap a Civic for an iX you get double padding.

Lifetime emissions cast a much bigger shadow than production emissions and most EV’s are climate positive one year in (average driving length, average electricity mix).

All of that said; don’t buy an EV to save the planet. Buy an EV because it’s a better car and better for your wallet. Depending on a multitude of factors these may not hold true for you yet, and you should probably just keep driving what you drive.

People focus way too much on the downsides of EV’s like charging infrastructure issues or waiting to charge.

All vehicles have tradeoffs and just because you’re used to filling petrol doesn’t mean it’s a pleasant activity. I’ve spent way too much time freezing at the petrol pump in the winter.

I actually did the math and found I’ve been spending way too much time at the petrol pumps. Driving electric I plug in at home. Takes a few seconds just like plugging in your phone.

Going out for petrol takes ten minutes. Driving on trips my bladder is still the weakest link, but every now and then charging adds a few minutes here and there, sometimes more.

Estimated net average time savings per year over the last four years is about 3-4 hours driving electric instead of ICE. That includes an hour less filling in freezing conditions.

But I digress.

TLDR; Climate is fucked, but EV’s can be good fun. Don’t feel obliged to buy one just yet, wait until it makes sense.

ampersandrew,
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15% is a significant dent. It's 15%! Even half of that is significant. And I'd sooner say we transition to encouraging just about any other kind of transit via our city and infrastructure design (efforts are ongoing, so it's not like no progress has been made) rather than just encouraging everyone to switch to an electric vehicle, but there are all kinds of benefits to restricting vehicle traffic in city centers besides climate change too, probably helping them to sell this policy. It's still a reduction that helps climate change, but it's one of those ones like straws and plastic bags that are much easier to legislate even if it's not the largest reduction that could be made. I guess I just disagree that anything other than the largest slices of the pie are worth putting any focus on, because if it was easy to reduce those large slices of the pie, we'd have done it. Even those large slices can probably be broken up into smaller slices, of which some may be easy to deal with.

Titan, in Ex-Human Rights Watch chief - Israel violating humanitarian law in Gaza

And the US will turn a blind eye once again

snooggums,
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The US has not turned a blind eye, it has gone all in on supporting the war crimes of Isreal.

Titan,

Shit… You’re right. That’s even worse

Sir_Kevin, in Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
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This is fantastic and a good example of what other cities around the world should do.

Titan, in Zelensky asks to visit Israel in show of solidarity

Goddamn, now I’m losing sympathy for Ukraine as well

Faydaikin,
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It’s politics. Newfound Allies have expectations. I highly doubt Zelenskyj really wants to get involved with Israels ever ongoing conflict at this point in time.

Titan,

You always have a choice. And this doesn’t excuse war crimes in my eyes.

The life of a Palestinian is not worth any less than a Ukrainian

Faydaikin,
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I’m just pointing out the most likely explanation.

But I have no doubt he’s more concerned with own people and that if he wants to keep receiving aid for the war in Ukraine he has to “play ball.”

It’s a shitty situation to be in.

However I don’t think he’s going to divert any resources to Israel anytime soon, regardless of the sincerity of his statement. So at least there’s that.

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