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sxan, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Wouldn’t be a bad idea for potential customers to write Haier and let them know they’re on a personal blacklist.

Is there an OSS-hostile list, like the opposite of the Awesome-XYZ lists?

qaz,
andyburke, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration
@andyburke@fedia.io avatar

Don't ever buy anything from these people, got it.

comfortablydumb, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration

How many GBs do these ACs upload to the company’s cloud?

Dehydrated,

Too many probably

pearsaltchocolatebar,

That ended up being a router error. It was actually something like 1mb.

poVoq, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

Seems like I dodged a bullet by recently deciding for another company. Definitely on my permanent do-not-buy list now, thanks for letting us know that you do not want any customers, Haier 😑

Dehydrated,

Do you use any smart home solution with your AC? Maybe even Home Assistant? Just curious

noorbeast,

I use a BroadLink infrared blaster, as you can control all sorts of devices with Home Assistant that use infrared remotes: www.amazon.com.au/…/B086VBXSDH?th=1

pearsaltchocolatebar,

The problem with a product like that is that there’s nothing stopping them from locking down their API to only work with their app.

noorbeast,

Compared to what what and at what relative cost? Given the actions of Haier buying into a product eco system seems like a far more expensive and risky proposition!

CameronDev,

The IR blasters can usually be flashed with open firmware like tasmota or esphome. I started with IR as well. The downside for me was that IR was one way. You can tell the unit to turn on, but you cant know if it actually did turn on.

For a cheaper IR option: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004486051086.html

If anyone is in Aus and wants some IR blasters with tasmota, happy to ship my spares :D

Dehydrated,

This is cool, I actually such something similar for my old school (~10 year old) AC unit because Infrared is the only way to control it.

CameronDev, (edited )

Not the person you asked, but i have a mitsubishi electric heatpump, which i have hooked up to homeassistant via an esphome library. It has a header on the controller board that you can connect to.

Normally the header is for their $200 controller and app, i spent $10 on the parts.

github.com/geoffdavis/esphome-mitsubishiheatpump

I think i better start mirroring the repo…

Dehydrated,

That’s amazing. I love such open source projects! I love the Lemmy, Home Assistant and Open Source community.

pearsaltchocolatebar,

I have a diy thermostat project (really a multi-zone hvac setup) that I might pick back up given what’s going on.

It kinda fell by the way side after my 3D printer started having issues.

kif,

I installed this same system a few months ago. It’s been fantastic - responsive and intuitive. The 5V pin in the CN105 connector means no external power or wiring is required. We haven’t touched the remote since it was installed.

CameronDev, (edited )

Yeah, its great. My only complaint is that you cant set the vane positions. And the temp sensors are a bit meaningless due to the height on the wall.

I intend to investigate the vane positioning in the future.

domi,
@domi@lemmy.secnd.me avatar

I did the same thing for Panasonic ACs if anybody wants to get rid of the cloud: github.com/DomiStyle/esphome-panasonic-ac

CameronDev,

Might just mirror that repo to be safe :D

frezik,

I have a Lennox multistage system with a heat pump, and furnace for when it gets too cold. The best way to run those (according to the installer) is at a low level all the time. So it doesn’t benefit much from things like location tracking to turn the system up or down while we’re out. Especially since I work from home.

What it does do is make graphs for tracking how it runs the heat pump and furnace each day.

Dehydrated,

That’s cool. Similar to how I use my heating Home Assistant integration.

oatscoop, (edited )

I’m running a Venstar Colortouch thermostat. They’re not cheap, but they have a local API and there’s a Homeassistant integration.

Dehydrated,

That’s great

notfromhere, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration

How is the plugin illegal?

Dehydrated,

Ask those brain dead fucks at Haier

notfromhere,

It sounds like someone out of their jurisdiction should host the repos and tell them to pound sand.

Dehydrated,

Codeberg is hosted in Germany

subtext,

Pretty sure the maintainer is in Germany so that wouldn’t help (unless you meant something else by your comment)

gomp,

It’s not like a judge said it’s illegal… what happened is that a huge multinational company sent a menacing letter to a developer regarding their hobby project, and the developer —understandably— decided to comply.

4am,

Yeah, even though the claim is 1000% horseshit, it’s not like some small time python dad has the means to defend against a giant multinational in court.

Laws are only for the common man.

RvTV95XBeo,

The developer has not yet fully complied - the repo is still up, they have legal insurance and are in discussion with lawyers, and they have responded requesting clarification on the specifics of their alleged “violation”.

In the mean time, I think many people have reached out to Haier to express their displeasure. On an unrelated note, the original menacing letter came from cybergovernance@haier-europe.com in case anyone was curious.

Static_Rocket, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration
@Static_Rocket@lemmy.world avatar

significant economic harm to our company

Oh! I have a solution! Make it a local API you fucking goofs.

Damage,

I went with Daikin 'cause they had local control… Except that they changed it in the meantime, and I had 2 different AC splits connected to the pump, one of them is older and still has local control, while the other is newer and doesn’t. Fuck all of them.

pearsaltchocolatebar,

You can make a thermostat with a raspberry pi, a few sensors, and a relay board. They’re pretty simple devices.

Really, you don’t even need a pi. An ESP8266 would be more than sufficient.

Source: I made my own thermostat from an esp8266, some sensors, and a relay board.

Damage,

I did that, for my gas heater.

AC is more complex, it has fan speed, air direction (2 of them), temperature settings and so on. I solved with an IR blaster, but that’s not what I wanted, I specifically selected this brand to have local control via wifi.

frezik, (edited )

Good enough for a fan, furnace, and AC setup. What we need going forward, though, is something that can intelligently use heat pumps to take into account electrical costs, current rooftop solar generation (if any), and the heat pump’s efficiency ratings in order to most efficiently balance between the heat pump and a regular furnace. Can choose the balance between either cheapest way to run or the least amount of CO2 (which won’t always match up). May also have to consider multi-stage setups where you can run it at low/medium/high levels.

I don’t think it’s impossible for a FOSS solution to do this, but I don’t think anyone has tackled it, either.

kent_eh,

I don’t think it’s impossible for a FOSS solution to do this, but I don’t think anyone has tackled it, either

That’s just a software problem. Not all that difficult, assuming the hardware manufacturers don’t lock you into some bullshit locked down proprietary cloud control thing.

rishado,

My manager once asked me if I could code in API

speaker_hat,

It depends if it’s in the cloud or not

frezik,

Nah, I’d rather data get sent out to external servers and then come back. This is efficient and very smart.

eager_eagle, (edited ) in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

Translation: our legal team has to justify their employment, thus we’re threatening non-profit open source projects that can’t fight back and pose no harm whatsoever to the company’s financials, market position, customers, or any other stakeholder.

It’d be awesome if the maintainers could get a pro bono advice / representation here to make a proper response. They’re volunteering their free time improving an extensive list of crappy products of a brand and this is what they get back? Disgusting move from Haier.

Rentlar,

EFF.org would have lawyers, that I hope would take up the case to help the original repo maintainer out…

filister, in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration

When companies build shitty software for which they charge arms and legs extra and are pissed that someone found their way around it

RuikkaaPrus, in Murena vs disroot
@RuikkaaPrus@lemmy.ml avatar

In my experience. I didn’t like Murena. I used it for a while (I think 6 months. I don’t remember well). And yes, it’s “ok”, but the interface is a bit broken.

The good thing is that there is a lot of software you can use there: OnlyOffice, NextCloud (much of their software), Searx and even Gitlab are there.

Another thing: if you like SMPT and IMAP, the Murena account offers you this. I prefer Proton, but it a good option too.

itsaj26744,
@itsaj26744@programming.dev avatar

Disroot also gives all +Xmpp +Fediverse

RuikkaaPrus,
@RuikkaaPrus@lemmy.ml avatar

Disroot also gives all +Xmpp +Fediverse

Well then, why no choose Disroot instead?

gerdesj, in Accessing NAS when not on LAN

Nextcloud is simply software that runs on something. You might use DNS to find the something that your Nextcloud runs on … or not. A domain can cost as little as say £10/year (no details given - loose costing provided!) but you say you don’t want one.

You could do some weird stuff involving something like this: Your clients update a database on the server with their current IP address(es) and the server reciprocates in kind regularly.

For an internets conversation, both sides need to know IP address, protocol, and optionally port; for both ends. For example, a webby conversation might involve:

My end: 192.168.100.20/24, tcp port 2399 -> NAT -> 33.22.4.66, tcp port 2245 Remote web server: 99.22.33.44/37, tcp port 443

Now, provided both sides are warned off about changes to addresses and port numbers on a regular basis, then comms will still work.

Say, your home external IP address changes, then your browser writes that new address to the remote server and comms continue. Provided one end knows all the details of the other end at any point in time and can communicate local changes then we are good.

000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Maybe not. Lookup: Dynamic DNS.

Falcon, in Accessing NAS when not on LAN

Yes it’s easy, install WireGuard in a container, port forward to it and copy the profile to your other devices.

When you connect to the WireGuard network on the second device, you’ll have access to your internal network and hence your nas.

I also use a reverse proxy so I can remember computer names rather than ip.

pedroapero, in In case you missed it: Fossify (A fork of Simple Mobile Tools)

I’ll be waiting for the dialer, sms, and contact apps in f-droid. Gallery is there already. Too bad I donated a couple of times to Tibor; wish you all the best anyways !

Emberleaf, in Where do you get your information about new software?
@Emberleaf@lemmy.ml avatar

I usually just browse [flathub.org]. I’ve found more than a few great projects this way.

BlanK0, (edited ) in Where do you get your information about new software?

Like others suggested, lemmy communities and some news sites like HackerNews.

But also some YouTube channels like Mental Outlaw, The Linux experiment and Brodie Robertson (most of them also have Odysee channels if you don’t want to use YouTube). Also Luke Smith (actually he shills a lot of foss software).

2xsaiko, in Accessing NAS when not on LAN
@2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

but that requires paying for a domain

You say that as if (normal) domains are expensive. You’re gonna be paying a lot more for electricity for your NAS than a domain. If you don’t need anything recognizable which you just want to use for yourself, you can even get a 1.111B class domain (000000.xyz - 999999999.xyz) which are just $1 per year. It’s a much better option than a dyndns service because you can actually do whatever you need to with the domain.

EugeneNine,

yep, use a free ddns service if you don’t want to pay

avidamoeba,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Could you elaborate where can I get one of those for about three fiddy?

2xsaiko,
@2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

The 1.111B class domains? gen.xyz/register

avidamoeba,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Thanks! Odd, it seems they aren’t available from other registrars for this price.

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