Disney is gouging customers with a near doubling of subscription costs.

Disney is raking its customers over the coals with a 75% price hike for their annual subscription (originally $80.) People wonder why piracy is on the rise.Multiple commenters are saying I’m off base about the 75% price increase. My payment less than a year ago was $79.99. Here’s the proof.

chalupapocalypse,

Just built a 50TB Plex server, get fucked mouse

blackjack,

Do you use ECC RAM? Wonder if I should upgrade my hardware so I can use it.

yaaaaayPancakes,

When I built my latest Plex server, I chose to put ECC RAM into it. But it was a pain getting all the hardware, due to the silly rules AMD has for ECC support and iGPU support in its chips.

roofuskit,
@roofuskit@kbin.social avatar

What? Unless you're running an actual commercial scale website, no, nobody needs ECC.

confusedbytheBasics,

If you are planning to use zfs its worth a few extra bucks for ecc.

roofuskit,
@roofuskit@kbin.social avatar

It can be far more than "a few extra bucks." It's not just buying more expensive ram, but you need a compatible motherboard and processor as well.

confusedbytheBasics,

It can be. It doesn’t have to be. If ECC is too expensive I recommend avoiding ZFS.

roofuskit,
@roofuskit@kbin.social avatar

Like ECC there's little to no benefit for the average user to use ZFS.

confusedbytheBasics,

I agree. I didn’t realize we were talking about average users. I thought we were talking about people building NAS.

roofuskit,
@roofuskit@kbin.social avatar

I'm talking about the average person building a media server to cut out monthly streaming or cable costs. They don't need or even know ZFS.

confusedbytheBasics,

That’s why I agreed with you. :P

sebinspace,

Fuck no

JustEnoughDucks,
@JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl avatar

ECC RAM is only necessary for people doing financial-related work.

If a video has a bitflip that is not corrected in software, ooooo 1 pixel will be a slightly different shade or hue or one subtitle letter will be wrong worst case.

Billing, payment processing, virtual currency storage, a flipped bit could be thousands of dollars, but those systems will have multiple verifiable redundancies in place, unlike the 90s when people like to quote that ECC RAM is essential.

Also 100% uptime servers like enterprise storage servers where customer data integrity is high priority.

I have yet to see a single shred of evidence that a memory bit flipping has caused any problems past 2008 or so. Maybe another person has found some case where it has, but when I was researching for my own server, I couldn’t find a single one.

Nearly every problem (1 million times more likely) is caused by software instability and bugs, with some being due to hard drive bit rot or hardware failures which ECC won’t fix anyway.

Karyoplasma,

I have yet to see a single shred of evidence that a memory bit flipping has caused any problems past 2008 or so. Maybe another person has found some case where it has, but when I was researching for my own server, I couldn’t find a single one.

Not server-related, but an instance where an inexplicable bit flip caused a stir is Super Mario 64 speedrunning. There is a level that is notoriously slow to navigate and during a playthrough a community member “discovered” a skip that warps you about halfway through the level. There is a video of it happening on live stream, but to this day someone has yet to reproduce the skip. Fiddling around with the game’s memory showed that the behavior happens when a single bit is flipped. All in all, it was likely a one-off error on the hardware that happened at exactly the right time in exactly the right place. The incident is known as the “TTC upwarp” and there is a $1000 bounty to claim if you can provide a working set of instructions to reproduce it on real hardware.

JustEnoughDucks,
@JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl avatar

I mean, that was actually pretty cool to read about! Speedrunning community always does the most crazy things as far as hardware memory dumping and analyzing to drop time in a speed run. 😅 that is passion.

It did happen on a device from 1996 though where in the time, programming and error checking was so barebones and efficient that a single bit could really mess a lot of things up.

That’s why I specified a time period 😉. Originally bug were called bugs because literal bugs would get in the holes of punchcards and make programs not run. Not a problem anymore! In the same way, systems have implemented checksums and error checking such that it really isn’t a big deal for the vast majority of applications.

Karyoplasma,

That’s why I specified a time period 😉

To be completely honest, I kinda did an oopsie because it completely slipped my mind that although it happened in 2020, the technology involved is indeed pre-millenium.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

It's before 2008, but a bit flip changed a Belgian election.

This is part of the reason I keep my servers in my basement.

chalupapocalypse,

For Plex? No. It’s running on a $150 Amazon minipc lol

Gutless2615,

What does that 50TB look like? I’m pushing up against 25 at this point but it’s shamefully all usb hdds plugged into a usb strip in a mini pc, and it’s less than ideal.

chalupapocalypse,

Amazon has Chinese usb enclosures for $150, that’s what I’m using.

briongloid,
@briongloid@aussie.zone avatar

I ripped out all my portable drives, had to make a cable without the energy management line for inside a PC.

Big ATX case with 8 3.5’ bays, mobo with 6 Sata ports, last two ports will require a SATA-PCIe expansion card.

1x 4TB (shucked)

2x 6TB (shucked)

1x 8TB HDD

1x 16TB Ironwolf Pro

40TB across 5 bays, 1 left without expansion card, 2 more with the card, following that the 4TB will get dropped for a bigger drive.

I’ll likely be buying no less than 12TB per drive going forward, no RAID configuration yet.

jose1324,

That’s filthy

JasSmith,

I love it. That works fine but if you want a weekend project consider doing something like this:

Buy a Fractal Define 7XL.

Shuck all those HDDs and put them in the case. Buy one more disk, as large or larger than the largest disk.

Buy 8GB RAM, cheap mobo, cheap Pentium gold CPU, and reasonably reliable power supply. Also buy either a SATA or HBA PCI adapter.

Install unRAID and Plex. Use that extra drive for parity. Now your data is protected if a drive fails. They also won’t get so hot, and speed will be much better. You also have lots of capacity for more drives.

crossover,

Buy a NAS unit such as a Synology DS923+

Add 4 drives to it of equal size. One drive’s worth of space will be sacrificed for redundancy and they’ll all be combined into a single storage drive.

I have 4x 18TB drives giving me just under 50TB of usable storage. Any single drive can fail with no data loss, and I just replace it and keep going.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

DS920+, not 923+

920+ has an Intel cpu, so has QSV hardware transcoding. 200fps 1080p transcoding on the fly is nice.

(The 923+ is software only)

crossover,

Good point. I’m personally not doing any transcoding so it doesn’t affect me.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

Chulaplex who started this thread was very clear that they were going to be using it for Plex, as such, transcoding is a very important aspect.

chalupapocalypse,

I’m using a mini PC for the transcode so the proc in the nas doesn’t matter, it’s just storage. The mini pcs on Amazon are way more powerful than anything you’ll find in a standalone

blackjack,

Thank you :-)

fbmac,
@fbmac@lemmy.fbmac.net avatar

I guess it wasn’t about the price for you then

sturmblast,

over time it probably balances out

Curly722,

It’s the principal of the matter. Plus it’s fun. Get fucked mouse!

Oderus,

Same here. So much better than any streaming service. There’s a small initial cost to get started but it’s worth every penny.

KingThrillgore,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

I wonder what’s gonna happen when people stop paying for these streaming platforms when its obvious the juice isn’t worth the squeeze?

veroxii,

We’ll they’re screwed because they can’t drop the cost to fix it. If they drop the price their revenue immediately dips by the same amount.

CitizenKong,

Yep, it’s a vicious circle. We are seeing the streaming services literally eating themselves for (very) short term profit.

GregorGizeh,

I’m okay with that. The golden streaming age was when there was one platform that had virtually everything available (early Netflix) for a fair price. That was also when many people gave up on piracy, because the availability and convenience was the same, and the price was fair as well.

Ideally this short sighted greed decimates all those streaming services again, collapsing all those spread out shows and movies into a convenient and affordable platform like it used to be.

At least music streaming services have largely avoided this walled garden crap, most of them have the same range and selection of artists and music available as the others because making music exclusive works even less than for shows and movies. Notably this has also helped to avoid undue price spikes because good competition is ensured.

yoz,

Lol suckers born every minute

pandacoder,

I dropped my sub. Was paying roughly $7.50/mo for 2 years for the legacy bundle and they nearly tripled it to $18.99/mo.

Of all my streaming services, I literally do not watch ESPN, and barely use Hulu and Disney. I could justify $7.50 by stretching the definition of justification, but $18.99 is more than I pay for streaming services I use regularly.

superguy,

I could justify $7.50 by stretching the definition of justification

Just use a free streaming site.

Why pay more so people richer than you can be even richer?

PersephoneDives,

I canceled last week. I paid to bundle hulu and Disney so I could lock in the year before the price hike. Hulu would never allow me to log in, I spent 7+ hours with tech support over the last month with them literally having me log in and out over and over without doing anything on their end. Never got logged in.

Several times they tried to sell me that I had to accept the ad tier or the one that included ESPN (which you know full well will get bigger cost spikes) despite promising I wouldn’t have to change plans.

I finally told them to cancel and refund the days. I haven’t pirated in over 4 years, because I finally make enough money and wanted to support content and have easy setup on products as my mom and daughter (outside of household) and my husband and son (in household) depend on me.

I started with a VPN and streaming this week. I will be working on jellyfin in the next week. They could have had my money, but they want to fuck around with my time, money, and content. I’m pissed and done.

CancerMancer,

I built out the whole stack: clients use jellyfin to watch media and ombi to request it (a friend uses overseerr which seems good too). Internally I’m using sonarr/radarr to manage the library, prowlarr to handle requests, sabnzbd and transmission to download stuff. Altogether this almost completely automates media request and acquisition.

It took a bit of figuring out docker, reverse proxy (using nginx proxy manager), DNS… I got it working though. Someone who has already done networking would find this much simpler but it was new to me.

It’s dangerous because I didn’t know when to stop lol. I started up some game servers for friends, wrote a borg backup script to periodically save all my configs (and game saves) to two cloud storage services, then started spooling up more services…

Theharpyeagle,

What do you use for cloud storage?

CancerMancer,

I’ve been kind of rotating services. I am saving <1gb of configs, game saves, and various other small files. I used Backblaze and AWS cold storage for a bit but that seemed totally overkill, so I started trying out regular consumer stuff and it’s all the same really (for this purpose). OneDrive, Google Drive, Dropbox… I figured keeping local backups on a different device, and then sending two out to different cloud storage platforms was enough. I backup once a day and keep two weeks worth of backups remote, and one month local. I also manually send a biweekly backup to a friend, and I store his. That’s when I restart the server, do updates, and if I’m unlucky spend a weekend trying to fix whatever broke lol.

Theharpyeagle,

Oooh, need to find me a NAS buddy. I’ve been getting into using syncthing lately, I’ve learned that it can encrypt your files before syncing them so that the remote storage never actually knows what’s in them. Still probably need to trust the other end, though.

radix,
@radix@lemm.ee avatar

That sucks. Tech support can be so annoying sometimes. I’m dealing with it too, although in a very different area. I wish they made it at least easy to give them money.

Good luck with Jellyfin and the other things you’ll be doing.

Gestrid,

Happy 100th, anniversary, Disney! /s

electrogamerman,

For all of you that supported the actors and writers streik, this is what happens to the common person. Dont get me wrong im not blaming anyone but the asshole greedy companies, but just so you notice, when a company does something “good” they are not losing, they are taking the money from others.

offbyone,

Disney has been very cheap to grow its customer base, then will increase prices afterwards, this was always going to happen.

electrogamerman,

Found the Disney employee

deur,

Disney Streaming Services / BAMTech / Disney Streaming is their own branch of Disney and this is likely unrelated to said strike.

electrogamerman,

Found the disney producer

progettarsi,

guys, cloudstream exists

TheGoldenGod,
@TheGoldenGod@lemmy.world avatar

https://i.imgur.com/Ze0LPXQ.gif

Well, I’m glad they’ve decided to make it an easy choice to sail the salty seas again!

superguy,

It was always an easy choice.

Only suckers pay for things they can get for free.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

For Disney stuff? Why waste your time? Even free is too much to pay for their output.

superguy,

Yeah. All the good stuff Disney did was released decades ago.

doctorcrimson,

Feels like an egregious misuse of the word “gouging” but I understand the sentiment.

radix,
@radix@lemm.ee avatar

How so?

doctorcrimson,

The term is generally reserved for, especially in legal cases, goods that are required to maintain a minimum quality of life but are in finite supply. If you were to suddenly increase the price of food, water, or communication technology during a widespread emergency, you would be committing a very clear case of Price Gouging and in most places found in violation of the law.

However, Disney+ Streaming service is the epitome of a good that is NOT necessary to live. It’s a minor luxury with no positive impact on the consumer.

radix,
@radix@lemm.ee avatar

Got it. I learned something new today, thanks!

kobrakaan,

it makes me chuckle at all those who once had a physical collection and sold them or gave them away in favour of streaming… who’s laughing now loser’s 🤦‍♂️

superguy,

I mean, free streaming sites never went away.

who’s laughing now loser’s 🤦‍♂️

Damn, sad you’re this smug while also thinking you’re smart for having physical media.

Free streaming sites never went away.

lud,

Why are you posting so much about streaming sites in this thread?

People that feel superior for not paying are so stupid.

Some people actually like the ease of use, user experience and legality of paid streaming services.

People that try and justify piracy because X are also so stupid.

I like piracy because free is nice, but some people think that they are morally in the right, because “companies bad”. I won’t say that piracy is theft but the industry obviously needs people that do the right thing to survive, and making fun of people who do is very counterproductive.

And the quality of (newer) physical media far surpasses the best of free and paid streaming services.

You can get the same quality by downloading though.

superguy,

🤡

People that feel superior for not paying are so stupid.

No, people who go out of there way to justify being ripped off are. Lol.

lud,

Haha, paying for a service isn’t the same as being ripped off.

Polar,

Going to be honest, I don’t really care that I got rid of my VHS tapes and 480p DVDs.

veroxii,

Yeah anything under 1080p is unwatchable on 50"+ screens.

soupbowl,

Kept all mine, turned it into a Plex server w/o pirating, laughing in no monthly subs. Plus charity shops sell blurays for barely anything.

Grippler,

Fuck I’m still glad I don’t have to waste space on a physical collection anymore. It 100% sucked ass having all that shelf-space full of CDs and DVDs/blurays.

ExLisper,

Why would anyone pay for Disney? All their content is shit.

squid,

I love how everyone is jumping down your throat, you’ve just as much right to have the opinion of Disney being shit as the next for having pure admiration for Disney. I also don’t see what people like about Disney, I think its shit and this is a valid criticism

ExLisper,

IMHO admiring Disney is one of the most cringe things an adult can do. It’s even worse than admiring apple because apple does toys for adults but to love Disney one has to be brainwashed as a child and never manage to get out of it. Fortunately I grew up in a communist country so I didn’t see any Disney as a child and when I finally did I was like ‘meh’. People follow Disney and Marvel because the content is simple and there’s a lot of it so there’s always something to consume. It’s like McDonalds: there’s no real value in it but it fills in the void inside you. The fact that Disney and Marvel have such a huge following show how empty our society had become. People don’t think any more, they just consume.

squid,

We’re very aligned, good to meet you. I also don’t do fandom’s and avoid mindless consumption, brands and general marketing. Honestly struggle to witness people slowly falling for the trap though, like watching rodents fling themselves into the mouse trap. But we’re nearing the end of capitalism, moving to tech feudalism. Fun time ahead

Mr_Dr_Oink,

Maybe if they had said , “i think its shit,” instead of saying “its shit” and then spending multiple days arguing with me that their opinion is objective fact, then there wouldn’t be a problem.

squid,

In they’re opinion its objectively shit

Mr_Dr_Oink,

If its their opinion, then it is subjective. You can’t have an opinion on something’s objectivity.

I could have an opinion of how much i like an objective fact, but i can’t dispute it being a fact.

Read some of rhe conversation that followed between them and myself if you want proof.

They are trying to argue that their opinion is an objective fact. When it is, in fact, objectively their opinion.

Mr_Dr_Oink,

Because different people like dofferent things and all “art” is subjective. You are not an immutable objective font or source of truth. Therefore, whilst you might believe it’s shit, any many will agree. You are simultaneously correct and incorrect in your assessment.

Or in short.

Not everyone likes what you like, so they pay for disney if thats what makes them happy.

ExLisper,

Nah, it’s objectively shit.

IndefiniteBen,

If that’s how you judge Disney+ I guess you say the same of all streaming services except the Criterion channel?

CobraChicken,

He’s a man of finer taste with an extensive collection of fedoras

ExLisper,

No, other services have some good stuff. Disney+ is only a good option if you have kids and you don’t want them to be very smart when then grow up.

IndefiniteBen,

Ah yes of course, National Geographic are famous for making kids stupid, that’s why those shows are on Disney+. Futurama is a cartoon so must be a kids show.

! /s !<

ExLisper,

I guess you’re right. Not all content on the platform is shit, only all content made by Disney is. But I highly doubt a lot of people pay for Disney+ to watch non-Disney content.

IndefiniteBen,

Maybe you should read what they offer? Depends where you draw the line on what is “Disney content” (just kids animated films and shows?), but they have all Star Wars and most Marvel content.

Depending where you draw the line, I subscribe for only the non-Disney content. Though I may have to re-evaluate my sub soon…

ExLisper,

I definitely include all star wars and marvel content in the shit Disney content category.

IndefiniteBen,

Ah okay. I’m glad you’re informed on the breadth of content you’re calling shit!

ExLisper,

Of course I am. I’m arrogant, not ignorant.

Mr_Dr_Oink,

Well, At least i know who im talking to now and dont need to waste any more time with it. Have fun in your bubble.

ExLisper,

What me being in a bubble has to do with anything? I know there are people who like this shit. I personally know people who absolutely love this shit. Doesn’t make it any less shitty.

Mr_Dr_Oink,

Yes, subjectively, it does. Art is not objective. It literally can’t be by its very nature. If you know people who like it, then you are admitting that you understand this.

If so then you are not in a bubble.

If you still try to claim that it is all objectively shit (which is quite a broad statement considering how much content there is on the platform, widely considered to be excellent) then you are in a bubble.

ExLisper,

That’s not what being in a bubble means. Being in a bubble means I only have contact with some specific content and I’m not aware of the reviews and revenue Disney content gets. Knowing that people like it and still saying it’s shit just means I’m smarter than most people and can judge this content better than the masses.

Mr_Dr_Oink,

It’s actually quite a versatile term. Being in a bubble simply means living in your own world. This can mean many things, such as rejecting views that dont line up with your own. Which is exactly what you are doing. I laid down a straight fact that art is subjective, and you said no. You are wrong, but you would rather live in your bubble where you are right than accept that you are wrong.

You are even wrong about what being in a bubble means. In that, you think its meaning is strictly one thing. When in fact, it’s really quite subjective…

Edit. Oh god, did you just say you are smarter than most people? Thats so bad. What are you? Like 12 years old?

ExLisper,

So every time you have an argument with someone they ‘live in a bubble’? Every time someone disagrees with you they are “living in their own world”? I don’t think this is how it works. ive in a bubble

  1. To remain physically or socially isolated from some threat.
  2. To live life completely absorbed in or insulated by one’s limited reality or life experience.
  3. To ignore, avoid, or deny reality.

No, it does not mean “reject views”. Reject views is completely different from denying reality. What we’re talking about are opinions and interpretations. Not agreeing with you about it is not ‘being in a bubble’. You’re simply using this term wrong.

But moving on. It’s easy to say ‘art is subjective’ and pretend it’s closes the topic but obviously there are better and worse movies. You have movies that explore interesting ideas in creative and daring ways and than you have Marvel type movies which are just pure entertainment without anything original or novel in them. These are no more ‘art’ than a ride on a roller coaster is. It’s fun but empty. There’s nothing subjective to it. People liking something does not make it art.

Mr_Dr_Oink,

You replied to some other comments, conceding that there was good quality content on disney+. So you contradict there your entire argument here.

I didn’t say art being subjective closes the argument. I said it counters yours. You said it’s all shit. I said that’s a matter of opinion, and you said it isn’t. That’s you avoiding or denying reality.

You are factually wrong about that statement. It is, in fact, a matter of opinion. What makes art or media “good” is a collective agreement on what “good” is. What standards we all agree upon. This means that if you say it’s shit thats you opinion, ita not an objective fact. Its subjective. What is it they say? beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One mans trash is another mans treasure.

Tour bubble is your refusal to accept the possibility that you might be wrong.

But i suppose its as good a hill as any to die on.

None of this really matters. At least not to me.

ExLisper,

What makes art or media “good” is a collective agreement on what “good” is. What standards we all agree upon. This means that if you say it’s shit thats you opinion, ita not an objective fact. Its subjective. What is it they say? beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One mans trash is another mans treasure.

That doesn’t make a lot of sense. You claim that it’s about “collective agreement” and each person’s individual opinion at the same time. Those are two different things. If it’s about personal opinion than collective agreement doesn’t matter. If it’s about collective agreement than my individual opinion doesn’t matter. Which one is it?

And I just gave you different meanings of ‘being in a bubble’. You’re simply using it wrong. But the fact that you refuse to accept that doesn’t mean that you’re in a bubble because it’s not what it means.

And yes, what is or isn’t good art or even what is or isn’t art over all is a matter of personal philosophy. You could argue that anything man made is art. You could say that every mass produced plastic toilet plunger is a work of art as long as one person in the world finds it beautiful. And my only argument against it would be my personal philosophy that there’s more to art than opinion of few individuals and that art and especially good art needs to fulfill higher standards than that. In my opinion you can objectively tell how creative, original and well executed a work of art is and by that you can judge how good it is.

Mr_Dr_Oink,

Art is inherently subjective, and what is considered “good” or “bad” varies from person to person. While there are commonly accepted principles and techniques in art, such as composition and colour theory, the interpretation and emotional response to art are highly personal. What one person sees as a masterpiece, another may see as unimpressive. So, art is not objectively good or bad; it’s a matter of individual taste and perception

I would say i have expressed my point poorly in the text you quoted. Where use “good”, im using quotation marks to mean this is not objective. It’s the opinion of the majority of people.

So where you say art has to fulfil higher standards and you can tell how creative or original a work of art is , that’s just the general consensus of “good,” but it’s all based on opinion.

Even if 99% of people agreed something is “good,” it is still subjective and, therefore, not objective fact.

An objective fact would be something like “the earth is (roughly) a sphere” even though there are flat eathers out there who would disagree, they are objectively wrong as it can be measured and proven and doesnt change based on who measures it. Unlike art, which will look different to each person viewing/experiencing it.

To go back to the original point again.

You said everything on disney+ is shit. Putting aside that you admitted in other comments that you dont actually believe that. It is your opinion and not objective fact. Like i said right at the start of this whole debate, everyone like different things.

To speak on the bubble thing again. I would say that my use of the term is a bit loose but not inaccurate. Your refusal to accept the differences between subjectivity and objectivity, as well as your belief that art can be seen objectively can be described as you living in a bubble. In that you are rejecting the information i am giving as it doesnt align with your view on the matter.

Maybe that bubble only surrounds this one aspect of your person, and not the whole, but you are being very stubborn about something that is entirely subjective in claiming there can be any objectivity.

So not a perfect usage of the term but not an invalid one. Subjectively speaking.

ExLisper,

Morning! :)

Yes, I get what you mean. That’s a very common take. “One person likes this painting, another one doesn’t. We can´t say if it’s good, it’s subjective”. I guess I’m bad at articulating my objection to this take. I think what I misses is that a lot of people are stupid and simply wrong. A lot of people don’t have proper education and never went to a museum. They simply haven’t been exposed to proper art and now even when they see it they don’t understand it. So should we say that for example Marvel movies are good art because some schmucks that never saw a good movie in their lifes like it? I don’t think so. It can be “good” to them but we can objectively say they don’t know shit. And I’m not saying all “high” art is good and all “popular” art is shit. So called experts are also often wrong and some famous artists are overhyped. How you seen the things Marina Abramovic was doing? It’s shit but she fooled a lot of “experts” and now you can’t say it’s shit because she’s famous. And I’m also not saying only the things I like are good art. I don’t like a lot of things that are not bad, just not in my taste. But I can also tell the difference between good art and empty entertainment even if I do enjoy it. A lot of people can’t. And they are wrong.

Mr_Dr_Oink,

How do we determine which is “good” art and which is “bad” art? Is it all based on the skill of the artist? Their mastery of techniques? Their creative use of different styles? Maybe their method of combining elements from multiple styles?

Or do we look at which art invokes the strongest emotional response? Which art make people feel the most happy or sad, or strikes them with awe and wonder. Art which leaves people staring at it for hours, always finding something new to enjoy about it?

Who decides which of these factors are the best or which ones make the art “good” or “bad”?

The answer is the individual.

I realised this a long time ago when I think about it in terms of music.

Im a musician, and as i grew and learned more about it, i began to hold a very elitist view on what merited “good” music and what was “bad”

I was certain about this. It made sense. It was clear in my head.

The good music is the stuff that is technically superior, the music that makes my jaw drop at its complexity and its craftsmanship. I outright rejected pop music and most basic music.

But i realised that when it comes down to it, good music is different for everyone. When i saw people dancing away and enjoying themselves, feeling elation whilst listening to so.ething i deemed terrible and basic, i realised. They are having as much fun as i do when i listen to the complex stuff. They are getting the same thing as me, except they get to dance and bounce around too, which, if anything, puts them above me on enjoyment levels.

I now find im able to appreciate the “dumb” music as much as the “smart” music and hold both in high regard. Because whilst i might be able to listen to and appreciate the likes of schubert, mozart, chopin, rachmaninov or jacob collier, louis cole, miles davis or herbie hancock. Muse, radiohead, the beatles etc Now i can listen to and enjoy pop artists like dua lipa, billie eilish and the like.

I know which i like more, but letting go of that gate keeping mentalility was exceptionally freeing. I recommend you do the same. Calling people dumb is not a good take. Accepting people differences and making them your equal is a much brighter path.

ExLisper,

But you cannot (or shouldn’t) jump from one extreme to another. There’s gate keeping like “I’m the one deciding what’s good, everyone else is stupid” (which I’m not doing, other people can like different things, that’s fine) but on the other side of the spectrum is the “everyone is equally competent to judge what’s good” which is just as wrong. Because of course not everyone is. For example if a lot of drunk/high people enjoy a silly song at a party and are having fun in the very moment, does it make the song “good” even if they wouldn’t listen to it sober? Of course not. Drunk people are not competent to judge art. There’s no “art for drunk people”, there’s just drunk people enjoying anything you show them. Not having proper knowledge or exposure to real art is similar to being drunk. You can get affected by simpler things, it’s easier to manipulate you, you don’t appreciate as much detail. Is pro Wrestling as good art as Shakespeare? Of course not. Pro Wrestling is as simplistic as it gets, it’s theatre dumbed down to it’s simple audience. It’s designed to affect people on a very basic level just like some music is designed to affect drunk and high people. It’s more simple entertainment than art. It’s really like putting someone on the roller coaster and saying that it’s as good art and the Exorcist because they got equally scared. Just because simple people enjoy simple movies and music doesn’t mean it’s good art.

Dsklnsadog,
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You are the kind of guy who is so over himself that can’t even see how cringe it looks from outside. Man, I love Futurama, is that shit too? Please don’t hurt my feelings. Your objective opinion is everything to me.

ExLisper,

First couple seasons were great. The movies were shit. Later seasons were shit.

Dsklnsadog,
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I mean, you could just stop with the movies if it is that bad. Aaahh everyone is a critic.

Che_Donkey,
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I had no idea they charged 80/mo…now upping that??? looooool. I always thought the new subscription services were between 10 & 15…we’ve been on the high seas for a long time I guess.

intrapt,

The post is about an annual subscription, not monthly

FurbiesAndBeans,

It’s per year, not per month

Che_Donkey,
@Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml avatar

lol…still had no idea

AgentGrimstone,

Haven’t streamed anything from there since Mando season 3 anyway

exocortex,

I think Loki was nice. Au least it was nice to look at. For Star Wars I recommend “Andor” which is maybe the best Star Wars ever made (of one removes the nostalgia-factor from the original trilogy). But seeing the rest on Disney+ Andor seems like an incredibly unlikely fluke. The one thing that luckily sneaked by the Disney content police. The one thing that wasn’t dumbed down by endless focus-grouping and insertions of memberberry-characters and -items.

JasSmith,

I also didn’t feel preached to, which is the Disney watermark today. Characters were interesting and complex, no matter their sex or skin colour, and not once did we have an oppression/capitalism monologue. Just a good story which everyone could enjoy. Such a rarity for Disney now.

Kanth,

Andor not about oppression? Did you watch with your eyes closed?

Aceticon,

Andor was about people living in a world ruled by an oppressive authoritarian regime which put little value on life hence was calously violent.

And as people they were vastly more complex than merelly good or evil, at time acted in stupid ways, others in intelligent ways, sometimes made the greatest sacrifices for others and other times were selfish and self-centred.

All that meant we could empathise with them because they were like us, only in that imaginary universe and those imaginary circumstances.

This is what great Acting is all about and this is, IMHO, how you make viewers deep down “get it” how it is to be in that kind of situation (which for some leads them to understand the “other” side).

Living by proxy that “truthful living under imaginary circumstances” of a good actor with a good script is how you get people to understand, not political speech decorated with a few bits and bobs from an imaginary universe to try and disguise its nature as “present day politics opinion making”.

PS: I suspect that it’s actually not by chance that both Andor and Rogue One, which was maybe the most full-bodied Star Wars film (in the sense that it was as good “chewing gum for the brain” as Ep4-6 but also had more depth), have the same actor cast as a main character.

JasSmith,

Please re-read my comment. Oppression was a theme, yes, but there were no oppression monologues. Ridiculous cringe like this. Instead, the writers told good stories and didn’t rely on beating viewers over the head with ham-fisted messages.

m3t00,
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in their defence they got that free 2-day shipping. I never watched Mickey Mouse Club when it was free

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