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Badeendje, in Lemmy instance admin snooping at votes
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

The devs are specifically working on a feature to get even more insight into this.

UndercoverUlrikHD,
@UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev avatar

I think the idea is to make it easier to detect trolling/spam from certain accounts. But honestly, there’s no reason upvotes and downvotes can’t just be public.

Badeendje,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe; this feels like a “for the children”, or “because terrorists” argument.
If the whole shebang would be public i would be fine with it, but to me it looks like it will just be a crutch used to justify taking action against dissent.

Desyn0xox, in What is the community's opinion on Session and Session Automated Software?

I think it’s an interesting project. However I am not a fan of their decision to omit forward secrecy, and have thus passed on using it. At least for now.

MigratingtoLemmy,

I didn’t know they did that. Unless it’s a technical limitation of Loki Net (which should be worked on if that’s the case), this is borderline unacceptable for a product made for privacy. Thanks for pointing it out

Annoyed_Crabby, in Lemmy instance admin snooping at votes

I think the main complain anyone would have with this is, only we admin can look at the vote, and no one else can. This isn’t a problem in Kbin or any other platform that allow one to do so.

I only check the vote to see if there’s any brigading, other than that, i have no issue with other admins snooping or whatever. Ohh to be clear, all of us admin can see the vote everywhere, getting a new instance yourself will not solve anything.

Asudox,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

A new PR allowing mods to see the votes was merged a few weeks ago.

Max_P, in Lemmy instance admin snooping at votes
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

The votes are public. Kbin displays them right in the UI. Lemmy semi-hides it, but it’s never been designed to be private in any way.

Changing instance won’t do shit if that’s a concern to you. As an admin I can see them even if my instance isn’t involved with the post at all:

https://lemmy.max-p.me/pictrs/image/6bae7aa5-20a3-497e-9012-dc4c8a869eb4.png

pop,

didn’t know that. thanks!

skankhunt42,
@skankhunt42@lemmy.ml avatar

So really, I just need to host my own instance to see votes. Nice.

pineapplelover, in Mozilla says Apple’s new browser rules are “as painful as possible” for Firefox

I’m fucking enraged man. I hope we can regulate these assholes.

GravitySpoiled,

There is a very easy solution. Don’t buy apple.

NateNate60,

That’s not a solution. It’s a way for you to avoid the problem. It does nothing to help the millions of people who are already deeply invested in the Apple ecosystem.

Daxtron2,

sunk cost fallacy

LWD,

Not sure if it’s a fallacy if it’s about addressing people who have spent a ton on an ecosystem and can’t just devote more money to buy the alternative and time to figure out the parts that aren’t compatible

SupraMario,

What parts aren’t compatible? And you can load Linux and Windows on all Mac’s. You can also sell your iPhone and buy an android phone with money left over… getting out of the apple closed ecosystem is cheaper than sticking with it.

LWD,

You can’t refund anything that’s not physical, for one…

SupraMario,

Where did I say refund anything?

LWD,

You asked what parts aren’t compatible, and one answer is everything bought for Apple computers, iPhones, iPads, etc. Apps, media, anything that isn’t subscription based.

SupraMario,

And windows/Android/Linux all have alternatives. This is not an excuse.

LWD,

Okay, so you would advise someone who bought, say, Photoshop on a Mac OS to consider that cost sunk, and then to purchase what on Linux?

SupraMario,

Gimp for Linux. It’s free even.

On top of that the Photoshop license is not os specific. You can use it for Windows or osx.

LWD,

Gimp has a small subset of Photoshop features… That’s… Common knowledge

SupraMario,

Ok? And Photoshop license isn’t for just osx… you’re literally proving the point that you can migrate but you don’t want to because of some stupid allegiance to apple

LWD,

I… Don’t like Apple at all. I’m engaging in a thing called a thought experiment, which is required to rationally assess why somebody might not want to throw away things they have purchased and devote both more time and more money to something that doesn’t work as well as it.

So I don’t know what all the cool killer Mac apps. Replace Photoshop with the name of a bunch of cool killer Mac apps, and repeat the question.

SupraMario,

Well if you’re playing devil’s advocate then I guess ok? But that’s a tough job on this one, as there are very little pros to sticking with apple.

LWD,

What’s the alternative to $5,000 of DRM encrypted media exclusively served by Apple?

The point of this thought experiment is to understand that sunk cost is a real thing outside of a fallacy.

SupraMario,

What media is served by apple only?

LWD,
SupraMario,

??? All of that is accessible on both other OS’s

LWD,
SupraMario,

??? What’s this supposed to be? Shit that’s on the app store…also exists in the android store, usually it’s a 1 to 1.

LWD,

I (and other people) have already said that re-buying the same products and learning alternative ones is expensive in both time and money. That’s the point.

And I don’t know a ton of iOS killer apps but you would probably have to convince people with a ton of effort that Procreate is replaced by something on Android, let alone any other app I don’t know about

SupraMario,

And I’ve already pointed out that almost all products you buy are not OS specific…the license is for the software not the OS. So you don’t have to rebuy, but that seems to be something the fanboys are missing.

NateNate60,

For most people, time is not regarded to be free (i.e. not a cost). As a devoted Linux user, the adage that “Linux is only free if you don’t value your time” is absolutely true.

SupraMario,

Uhh ok install windows then?

deranger,

Can’t do that on ARM. Windows on ARM sucks and there isn’t a good app ecosystem.

SupraMario,

There isn’t a good app ecosystem for arm on osx either? What’s your point?

NateNate60,

I’m not the parent commenter, but Apple Silicon has much wider app support than ARM on Windows. There’s also Rosetta Stone, which works alright, I suppose. Not spectacularly and usually not anywhere near native performance but it’s at least okay.

deranger, (edited )

You’re incorrect. Tons of apps are native ARM on Mac now, also rosetta2 emulation is really fast. Obviously not as fast as native ARM but it surprised me.

SupraMario,

Most might be native but tell me what apps don’t have an alternative on x86 and I’ll agree with you.

deranger,

Exclusivity isn’t the point. A healthy app ecosystem is what we’re discussing, which ARM on Mac has. It wasn’t great for 6 months or so, but it’s quite good now.

SupraMario,

??? No the whole discussion on this has been how people can’t get out of the ecosystem. Which I’ve provided multiple ways to get out of it. There is really zero point to even bring up ARM MacBooks, because as you have said the ecosystem isn’t exclusive.

NateNate60,

Learning Windows is still a time cost. You’re also losing your library of Mac software and quite a few interoperability features between your other Apple products.

SupraMario,

??? So you’re plan is to just say fuck it, and continue to be fucked over by apple? The fuck logic is that? Almost all software has a replacement in windows/Linux. I work in all 3 ecosystems, there is very little that lacks an alternative in each os. Sticking to osx/iOS is just a cop out.

NateNate60,

No. My argument is that if Apple isn’t going to open up their ecosystem to genuine competition and genuine interoperability then they need to have their hand forced through regulation.

Telling people to just stop buying Apple products is a lazy, knee-jerk self-righteous response that ignores the realities of platform lock-in.

SupraMario,

Good luck with that…I vote with my wallet instead of buying into fad shit.

NateNate60,

You seem to think that regulation doesn’t work. Luckily, we have a test case set up for us in real-life.

In the United States, consumers relied on voting with their wallets. In the European Union, regulatory agencies forced Apple to take pro-consumer moves through regulation.

Now take a look at which approach produced results and which approach left consumers continuing to complain about the lack of interoperability and the lack of competition in Apple’s walled garden.

SupraMario,

Cool, tell me again where we are? And if you think legislation will actually be brought up and passed here in the states…

NateNate60,

No, it’s not a sunk-cost fallacy.

If you already have a bunch of Apple stuff, it makes more sense to continue using Apple stuff, because switching would cost money and effort. You’d also lose access to the software library that you paid for.

Having a bunch of Apple stuff also makes buying more Apple stuff in the future a better value proposition because you gain access to features that you wouldn’t otherwise have. Platform lock-in is not a sunk-cost fallacy. You’re just uninformed and being smug about it.

The sunk cost fallacy only applies when stopping is free or the cost is low enough (in money or effort) that it makes more sense to quit than continue.

GravitySpoiled,

then sell apple

selokichtli,

Perfect for the genius bar.

NateNate60,

Not a solution.

This not only has a time and effort cost attached to it but selling your used hardware to buy new hardware is always a bad value proposition.

TWeaK,

That is the solution though, always has been. Vote with your wallet.

Jumuta,

voting with your wallet doesn’t work when most people would buy anyway (whether it’s because they’re ignorant, trapped to do so, etc)

The minority of people that actually care and know about privacy and software freedom is just a tiny statistic in Apple’s perspective, so voting with your wallet doesn’t work.

TWeaK,

“My actions mean nothing because everyone else won’t do it” is exactly what everyone else is thinking.

You’re making excuses. Be the change you know should happen. Don’t be a sheep.

Don’t buy puffa jackets. Seriously. They’re fucking everywhere now. Don’t do it, you don’t need it, they’re cheap and overpriced.

Jumuta,

I’m already taking actions, but I do it with the understanding that it won’t make much of a difference.

I’m sorry to break your bubble but most people just don’t care. They want their computer to play a video off the internet, and don’t care how long that takes as long as it works. Maybe they’ll care about things in the specific interests they have, but they won’t care about computers, software, and libre software.

We, people that care about software freedom are a minority and we need to accept that. And the only way to get things done when you’re in the minority is to borrow power from the majority, e.g. by passing legislation.

TWeaK,

Most people not caring isn’t a concern of mine. Apple being wealthy isn’t a concern of mine. What concerns me is that the products I use flourish and develop in ways that I like. I don’t use Apple, so I don’t particularly care about them - I just watch the drama from the sidelines.

You’re not bursting my bubble in any way, but you are being a little pretentious.

Jumuta,

That’s fair but I don’t see how that solution contributes to the content thread

TWeaK,

The solution is to realise that Apple aren’t the company for you and move away from them. Support products that fit your ethos. Don’t worry about the ones that don’t and leave them behind.

WhatAmLemmy,

Yeah, let’s ignore the entire history of labor, environmental, safety, and product regulations, and believe everything is the way it is because of our dogmatic free market feefees.

Jumuta,

free market works when the market is actually free.

As soon as entry costs are introduced into the market, the free market falls apart.

Think of the costs of building factories, rnd, lawyers, etc.

WhatAmLemmy,

Fucking lol. Your logic is undeniable!

TWeaK,

Lol for a moment there I thought I was going off the rails with my puffa jacket rant above, but your segway into “free market feefees” is far more unhinged.

WhatAmLemmy,

Username checks out

LWD,

Apple: opens its wallet

TWeaK,

Lol that’s basically the Brave attitude, drown out the controversy with a marketing campaign and pull in more new unsuspecting users than the ones you lose.

takeda,

Then deinvest?

What a fucking argument. “Yes, it is a problem, but it is too hard for me to do anything about it, someone else should fix it”

MigratingtoLemmy,

You cannot root out the evil from within such massive companies. Nvidia still has a stranglehold on the market with CUDA. Literally the only thing one can do is to employ their wallet towards more fruitful endeavours, like donating and purchasing Android in this case. People who are invested into Apple are going to have to face that they made a choice moving away from freedom, even though I understand that staying the odd one out socially isn’t a lot of fun. There’s nothing to be done here unless someone with a lot of money and lawyers sues Apple. Know anyone willing to do that?

pineapplelover,

I don’t. Many people do. To protect their very clear monopolistic goals, we need to protect consumers from this stuff.

umbrella, (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

boycotts barely work, and doubly so when the company has a legion of faithful fanbois and its among the biggest corporations on the planet.

grue,

Why do you hate consumer protection law?

refurbishedrefurbisher, (edited )

People should fully own the computers they buy, regardless of which company they buy from.

This means root access and a replacable primary bootloader, let alone just being able to install apps not on a curated market (what Apple calls sideloading). macOS and Windows both manage to allow root access, and so do certain Android devices (and obviously other OSs as well). Replacable primary bootloaders are more rare, though, especially in ARM devices due to efuse-based secure boot in the CPU that is impossible to turn off. There’s only one phone I can think of that allows for replacing the primary bootloader (Shift 6mq).

We shouldn’t allow for artificial restrictions placed by corporations on devices they sell, because as we have seen time and time again, companies copy each others’ restrictions, especially Apple. Same goes with game consoles, IoT devices, Smart TVs, etc. And before you mention the potential for piracy, DRM is an artificial restriction placed by corporations, and should also be removed from devices.

Anything less means that you don’t own the device that you paid for.

Apple is clearly attempting to comply with the EU DMA in bad faith so that they can maintain as much control over their users and app developers as possible.

bionicjoey,

And that’s coming from someone who has “applelover” in their username. They fucked up big time by pissing off even their most loyal fans.

(/j)

pineapplelover,

Honestly, I don’t know how many normies this will upset. Pretty much only techies follow this and the people being annoyed by it might just blame the app developer and not Apple. Time will tell

Zevlen, (edited )

The only way we can regulate any of these big assholes is to start making our own companies. And since there is no separation of big business and government… We need to build big companies ran by the people for the people who can also make policies.

Right now the Gov is for and by the Corperations and not the people… We need to change that ASAP!

sparky,
@sparky@lemmy.federate.cc avatar

I mean, this is basically malicious compliance. They did everything in their power to follow the letter but eschew the spirit of the law. Let’s hope the EU has teeth and keeps applying pressure.

headset, in Privacy Checkup Quiz: How well do you protect your privacy and security?

I have an iphone and use brabe browser. I just need a tshirt that says “privacy” and i’ll be untraceable.

lemmyuser30,

Idk why you are down voted, this is some good comedy.

Gooey0210,

This is not comedy, this is what according to the quiz privacy is

CorrodedCranium, (edited ) in What is the community's opinion on Session and Session Automated Software?
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

I posted about preferring Session over SimpleX chat before and it seems like the big gripe is the crypto currency tie-in with Session

possiblylinux127, (edited )

The crypto tie in is either the greatest idea in a while or is going to turn out to be a massive disaster.

For now I’m hesitant to say either way. I though about running a node on Lokinet a while back ended up not doing it due to cost.

To be honest with you I would be way more trusting of something that had servers that could be setup easily.

There is also Jami but Jami seems to be riddled with issues and is lacking a security audit.

LWD, in What is the community's opinion on Session and Session Automated Software?

Simplifiedprivacy dot com needs to be blacklisted from Lemmy communities, it’s a blog trying to sell some really silly services.

As for Session, they’ve never made an original product that I’ve ever seen - they took Signal and Monero, peeled off the labels, and made them (especially Signal, IMO) worse in both aesthetics and privacy protection.

And the company behind this is in Australia, a country where you need to weaken products (by adding backdoors) upon government request.

Yesbutnotreally,

I agree. I do trust session as well, even if their “marketing” on mastodon is rather unprofessional.

It does however hurt serious actors when they get mentioned on sites that spam and claim to be serious like the one you mentioned. I hope that the mods here will clear up their spam posts

possiblylinux127,

Session is very much not a clone of Signal. They forked it way back and the entire back end and front end are different. Session uses the lokinet behind the scenes which stores messages encrypted and routes traffic. Session isn’t completely decentralized to my knowledge as its a work in progress but for now it is harder to block or censor compared to signal.

Even if you have your doubts, its been audited and found to be reasonably secure so it shouldn’t be a security risk. I still don’t use it due to its lack of invites but if they add stable calls I might just switch. For now I use it to send data between my devices.

iAvicenna, in Cops Used DNA to Predict a Suspect’s Face—and Tried to Run Facial Recognition on It
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

wow nice to know that from DNA you can predict whether or not a person has a beard, or their style of hair

dan1101,

Or what they look like from lifestyle and health factors.

hansl,

Even from a perfect witness (and witnesses are very imprefect) you wouldn’t be able to predict if they have a beard or not. That’s why you always multiple variations of the person when they actually distribute renditions.

Wage_slave,
@Wage_slave@lemmy.ml avatar

I was was wondering what I’d look like with a sick tat on my face. And behold, the DNA and AI winning combination knew it, before I ever got it.

Mugmoor, in How Do I Avoid Giving Home Address to Bank?
@Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

If you’re this concerned, why are you using a bank at all? You strike me as a cash under the mattress type.

pineapplelover,

Dude I just don’t want my name, phone number, and address all over the public web. Why am I getting so much hate for this?

viking, in How Do I Avoid Giving Home Address to Bank?
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Banks require a physical address, that’s part of basic KYC (know your customer) requirements and part of anti money laundering / anti terrorism funding laws.

So they won’t accept P.O. boxes. While those mail forwarders can work, some will also blacklist them over time.

And really, ask yourself the question if you want your cards, PIN, and general correspondence about your finances mailed to a random third party where some underpaid person opens up and scans your letters all day…

Not quite sure what you mean with whitepages btw., your bank is not signing you up anywhere.

pineapplelover,

Somebody is. Either way. I don’t want to let strangers online my phone and home address. Ideally, I would want a p.o box type thing or mail forwarding. I don’t care for them scanning my packages.

ursakhiin,

Unless your government id has a PO box on it you’re likely not going to get the results you’re looking for. As somebody else mentioned, that info is public record.

shortwavesurfer, in How Do I Avoid Giving Home Address to Bank?

Get paid in Monero.

pineapplelover,

If you want to buy a home and get loans this may not be the way to go.

jemikwa, (edited )

If you’re paying property taxes, you’re going to be in a database. At least here in Texas, all addresses (home, business, empty land) are in the county’s appraisal and tax database that’s publicly searchable.

GammaGames,

Depending on your state a bunch of homeowner tax data is freely available online

jemikwa,

Right, and the data in Texas contains your address and name attached to it. It’s all public, you can’t avoid it. I don’t know about other states but I assume it’s the same

shortwavesurfer,

You can get loans through Aave On ETH, Polygon, etc, But yeah, buying a home would be a bit difficult.

ShepherdPie,

You can’t buy a home either or else there will be a public record of your name and address.

SpaceNoodle,

Ah yes, the eternal solution to privacy concerns: pyramid schemes.

M500, in Mozilla says Apple’s new browser rules are “as painful as possible” for Firefox

I like how just about everyone I who’s looked at this is basically like, “fuck apple”.

There are a few fanboys, but they are way less common than usual.

I’m hoping Apple picks up on this and reverses course.

MrMcGasion,

They won’t care, they have the consumerist crowd locked down. The crowd that buys dozens of Stanley Tumblers so they have one that matches any outfit. There might be more of us who care than there used to be, but the average iPhone buyer doesn’t care and Apple knows it.

sparky,
@sparky@lemmy.federate.cc avatar

I mean, I’ll take a stab at speaking for Apple fans, and in fact developers. (I’m an ex-employee.)

There are a lot of things we like about the user experience on their platforms, and we appreciate their general interest in privacy while not engaging in the dirty data mining / advertising business of Google and Microsoft. There is a polish on their platforms that is best in class.

But I don’t believe any of us actually support the App Store lockdown situation. It’s probably the biggest black mark on their record. I think they got it right on macOS, requiring the binaries to be notarised (signed digitally) in such a way that malware can be blacklisted. This is a useful security feature. But developers are free to distribute however they want and third party stores like SetApp and Steam coexist happily with the App Store.

100% of their arguments about keeping the App Store as the sole distribution chain are bullshit because macOS is the proof. It’s pure rent-seeking behaviour.

porous_grey_matter,

But the privacy is just a facade, right? Like with that recent scandal about the government requesting push notification info, Google of all companies was actually only handing it over with valid warrants while Apple was giving it to any law enforcement who asked.

ursakhiin,

They are absolutely mining data.

erez, (edited )
@erez@programming.dev avatar

There is a polish on their platforms that is best in class

As someone who was an Android user and tried switching to an iPhone, I see lots of weird bugs and behaviors I never had with Android. Sure, the OS is slightly better, and rarely crashes, but everything else is a little bit worse.

Literally every Google app is better than Apple’s. Be it Google maps, keyboard, mail, calendar, etc. But because they aren’t made for iPhone, there’s all kinds of little bugs, mostly visual/UI related.

And then there’s all these nonsensical decisions that make my life harder. Hotspot can’t run with wifi on, you can’t record your calls (very useful when talking to banks, government, etc.), can’t even arrange the icons in “home” screen to fixed locations or make them smaller.

I finally figured out that when Apple fans talk about polish, they just mean it looks pretty and feels high-end. Which, sure, I can concede that. But that’s not what I actually care about.

Anyway, rant over, sorry to take it out on you!

yessikg, in Custom ROM Fire TV Stick
@yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I started using the Projectivy launcher

Trincapinones,

Thanks! I’ll check it out

Trincapinones,

I have started to use it but I have realized that it is not open source, should I trust it? And, my firestick moves a bit slow in the menus (it is a 2nd gen) is there a way to debloat it?

yessikg,
@yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I don’t trust anything by default. There are settings for hiding apps, that might help

homesweethomeMrL, in iPhone Apps Secretly Harvest Data When They Send You Notifications, Researchers Find

Headline: iPhone is harvesting your data!

Article: Facebook, LinkedIn, and TikTok are harvesting your data.

solarvector,

It’s pretty clear that it’s Apps, not iPhone. But also… iPhone is responsible for holding application developers to their terms of service. It’s absolutely appropriate to criticize them for failing to deliver what they’re selling in terms of claims to a more private ecosystem.

homesweethomeMrL,

Do the android versions also harvest data?

They do.

So why call out iphone? Because they’re supposed to manage every telemetric aspect of the 2.24 million apps on the app store?

Sure, ok. This connectivity is allowed, This connectivity isn’t. Sounds great, how do they find that information out? Super magical quantum computers probably.

Alexstarfire,

Why call out the company that claims they protect privacy when they fail to protect privacy? No idea.

homesweethomeMrL,

Privacy isn’t a concrete object. Like you can buy a six pack of freedom and a bag of privacy. Pretending Apple’s responsible for all apps’ behavior is bullshit.

Alexstarfire,

It’s fine if you’re cool being lied to. I’m not. Though, it’s hard to find any company that isn’t lying to you one way or another.

helpImTrappedOnline,

If they make an example of the big rule breakers, the rest will fall into line, making it easier to spot the little trouble makers…think of it like form mods. Sure they can’t catch everything, but by constantly allowing garbage through, that’s all they’ll get. If they enforce the rules then less will attempt to break them.

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