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random65837, in (Android) Sandboxed Apps with own VPN and Firewall? [solved]

Android natively sandboxes, so that’s already done. When you’re already running Graphene there’s no reason to further move them to other users, or profiles.

The obvious issue is you’re still pushing data to data miners regardless, whether it’s in your name or not, it’s just as valuable to them.

LemmyIsFantastic, in How marketing companies use "Active listening" voice data to target advertising to the EXACT people businesses are looking for

Don’t really care. It’s not in the devices I use.

subignition,
@subignition@kbin.social avatar

Ah yes, toxic individualism

LemmyIsFantastic, (edited )

👌

God forbid someone have a choice on privacy and what tech they use.

subignition, (edited )
@subignition@kbin.social avatar

Ah yes, blaming other end users for "poor choices" instead of Evil Company obviously and openly doing evil things

LemmyIsFantastic,

Ahh yes, the nameless corporation with a nameless product that can’t be named creeping and spitting in the night.

This shit is just spooky bedtime stories for privacy zealots.

subignition, (edited )
@subignition@kbin.social avatar

So is it willful ignorance on your part then? Or have you some explanation for not paying attention to the myriad avenues of data collection and exploitation for the last fifteen years?

To use a very old example which pales in comparison to things which are possible now, here's a story from 2012 wherein Target's marketing efforts outed a pregnant teenager to her family with targeted coupons. Luckily her family was supportive in this case, however it's not hard to imagine real harm being done if the circumstances were different.

“[...] we found out that as long as a pregnant woman thinks she hasn’t been spied on, she’ll use the coupons. She just assumes that everyone else on her block got the same mailer for diapers and cribs. As long as we don’t spook her, it works.”

So to bring this to a slightly more relevant topic for 2023: are you really okay with mass surveillance being used to uncover and prosecute women who have been forced to travel out of states with abortion bans to seek lifesaving medical care? Just because you don't have to worry about it personally?

This is just one of many, many examples of the abuse of data collection in the modern day. Before you try and discard this post as an alleged strawman (or some shit) I encourage you to actually open your eyes and look, because these entities are not nameless, many of them are household names. Your "spooky bedtime stories" argument is an absolute farce and I honestly would prefer you to be trolling than genuinely this ignorant.

LemmyIsFantastic,

Holy shit, you pull in a massive edge case from 10+ years ago that has nothing to do with the topic at hand? Thank you for really driving home that you can’t name a consumer device that uses this tech.

subignition,
@subignition@kbin.social avatar

Thanks for removing all doubt that you are just here to troll. I wish you luck finding a more productive way to spend your time IRL.

LemmyIsFantastic,

Still can’t name a consumer product?

Duke_Nukem_1990,

Don’t feed the troll.

subignition,
@subignition@kbin.social avatar

Eh. Gotta let them dig the hole long enough to eliminate all doubt, plus pushing back on their nonsense is potentially valuable to third party readers later. Thanks for looking out, though.

Duke_Nukem_1990,

I had the “pleasure” before and recognized the name.

drem,

Do you think other people deserve this?

LemmyIsFantastic,

People are capable of making their own choice in privacy and tech. Nobody is forcing any of this in homes.

drem, (edited )

What if they don’t have time? What if they don’t want to read a 10 page EULA? It is their choice, but they most likely don’t know what they are accepting. You know what this means therefore you have the power to do something against this (if it is reasonable).

LemmyIsFantastic,

And yet, I’ve been able to do such a thing despite not having read a single tos. Not a lot of common technology uses this shit. It’s incredibly easy.

grue,

People are capable of making their own choice in privacy and tech.

Frankly, they often really fucking aren’t, which is why consumer protection laws are supposed to exist.

Nobody is forcing any of this in homes.

Note the weasel-words “in homes.” That’s because they are forcing it literally everywhere else.

miss_brainfart, (edited ) in How marketing companies use "Active listening" voice data to target advertising to the EXACT people businesses are looking for
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

One of the reasons why I like my desktop PC so much is that both webcam and mic sit in a drawer and are only plugged in for when I actually need to use them.

Android at least has the setting in developer options to disable sensors, which includes gyroscope, camera, mic and gps, I believe.

But core system services still have permission to override this setting. Which makes sense, you don’t want your dialer app to break when calling emergency services.

But it does make me think, is Androids’ sandboxing of an app enough to prevent it from abusing this possibility?

TheAnonymouseJoker, in (Android) Sandboxed Apps with own VPN and Firewall? [solved]
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

User profiles are an Android feature, NOT a Graphene feature. You can use user profiles in any Android phone in the last 6-7 years.

Denatured,

Those guys r dicks. I posted a comment in there Lemmy community to share my honest opinion and it was removed. But I don’t know why, who did that or even how find out.

kromem, (edited ) in How marketing companies use "Active listening" voice data to target advertising to the EXACT people businesses are looking for

This is BS. It’s a 3rd rate marketing group trying to game SEO for lead gen.

Go ahead and contact them, claiming to be a prospective client with a few hundred (insert niche retail or service here) stores and that you’re interested in their product.

At best they’ll end up revealing they have a SDK or some crap to do the active listening in your own app if you have one.

If this were real, more than this company would be doing it, and you’d see actual case studies around it.

Also, it’s 1000% not legal in half the US states given two party consent wiretapping laws unless the users are agreeing to it in some way, which again brings us back to that at best this is some shoddy SDK (and unlikely even that).

Edit: Looking at it closer and given the way it isn’t linked at all from elsewhere and is a one off mention of the services, I’m actually wondering if this was an April Fool’s page that they just never took down. It’s pretty funny if that, especially given the ridiculousness of a lot of the buzz word heavy language in the bullet points. Like the idea that they are actively listening to the voice data and then having AI analyze the purchase history of the users to then cross attribute ROI using your “tracking pixel” is hilarious.

Even just one of those steps is such a pie in the sky claim even for most billion dollar agencies.

MonkderZweite, (edited )

Also, it’s 1000% not legal in half the US states given two party consent wiretapping laws unless the users are agreeing to it in some way, which again brings us back to that at best this is some shoddy SDK

You are talking about advertising business, you know? They do business as long and as far as it isn’t yet illegal.

At least tracking via ultrasonic is a thing. calculator/game just needs to have the respective library.

Btw, store chains use Wifi/Bt for tracking, just so you know.

Seudo, in Google memes itself with an admission of spying on customers via a new ad on reddit!

Okay… And if you stand by your morals, more power to you. For me, it’s a worthwhile trade forfeiting my data (usually anonymised anyways) for the convenience of their free services.

I’m not ignorant. Any one who isn’t aware of where G’s revenue comes from has been living under a rock. The choice is clear, and if Google is making that even more obvious, I think that’s a good thing.

Keep fighting the good fight, but the majority of us will keep using google because these *exclusive scoops shouldn’t be a revelation to anyone.

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  • Denatured,

    Lmao

    JokeDeity,

    What services do they even provide these days that you can’t get better elsewhere? Worst browser these days, the search has gone completely to shit and all their web apps are dated and stale compared to alternatives.

    Denatured,

    Exactly!

    Solumbran,

    “I am not ignorant”

    That would have been the less insulting explanation.

    privacybro,

    found the fed lol. your post reads like a CIA commissioned propaganda pamphlet

    reverendsteveii,

    lemm.ee/comment/6088169

    What’s wild is there seems to be a contingent on lemmy that goes into posts like this just to say “who cares that they harvest all your data?”

    privacybro,

    exactly. yet somehow they are in a privacy group. green vibes.

    doublejay1999, in Privacy Win: EU Parliament Decides That Your Private Messages Must Not Be Scanned!
    @doublejay1999@lemmy.world avatar

    If a politician takes a decision, it’s not democratic

    BrikoX,
    @BrikoX@lemmy.zip avatar

    It’s not a direct democracy, but elected democracy is still democracy.

    TheOctonaut,

    Please attend a very basic civics class

    doublejay1999,
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    Learn English

    TheBat,
    @TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

    No. Non. Nein. Nie. Nei.

    Urist,
    @Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

    Representation is not anti-democratic

    privacybro, (edited )

    the illusion of choice :)

    Apollo2323,

    Wouldn’t you prefer the people to vote on something so important as your privacy?

    Urist, (edited )
    @Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

    Sure, but I vote for the party and people that aligns itself with my interests, so indirectly I do. I have also thought about attending some local meetings to talk with those representing me about some issues.

    I recognise that you may not feel represented well within your system. That does not imply a failure of representation as a system of government, but could speak to the implementation of yours.

    Aceticon, (edited )

    I used to be a lot more pro direct Democracy until I went through the whole Brexit thing whilst living in Britain.

    One look at the polls over there right now on the question “Is Britain better outside the EU” compared to what it was back at the time of the vote, should answer just how well informed the voting decision of a large percentage of people was back when they did cast their vote.

    Looking around after that, I started noticing how most people will not abstain when they fell they’re not well informed enough to make a decision but instead tend to feel they have to make a choice even though they’re ill-informed (or worse, have no clue they’re ill-informed), plus if there is one thing the Leave Vote in Britain showed me is that ill-informed voters are way easier to push to make a certain choice purelly with appeal-to-emotion and other manipulative non-rational “arguments” than the well informed.

    Representative Democracy has massive problems, but at least those people do it as their work (so do have the time to dive into issues and have easier access to experts), and I suspect that most of the problems of it can be solved or ameliorated by improving the process of selecting representatives and maximizing the independence of the Judiciary Pillar of Democracy (you see the worse kind of stuff in places with Justice Systems which aren’t independent or are weak, and/or voting systems mathematically rigged to promote a Power Duopoly by giving more representatives to larger parties).

    Aceticon,

    Even better, the EU Parliament is elected by Proportional Vote, so it’s one of the most democratic institutions in the World, even beating most national parliaments in Europe (most of which have some kind of electoral circles system that gives more representatives per-vote to large parties than smaller parties).

    Fracturedfox, in Privacy Win: EU Parliament Decides That Your Private Messages Must Not Be Scanned!

    I hope it encompasses enough so companies can’t worm their way around it.

    NegativeLookBehind, in Privacy Win: EU Parliament Decides That Your Private Messages Must Not Be Scanned!
    @NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social avatar

    To me this means:

    • They couldn’t figure out how to do it, or
    • It was too expensive to implement, and
    • They’ll just get the NSA to share the data with them at a fraction of the cost
    aniki,

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  • Coasting0942,

    Excuse me? You just pay the Appletree wizards for their magical rectangles. Simple

    SNFi,

    Yeah, they wanted to do something very, very impossible and easily to skip… XD

    NegativeLookBehind, (edited )
    @NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social avatar

    How is it impossible? Just proxy all the SSL connections, use MITM certificates and break/inspect the data, capturing it to your own PCAP Servers.

    EDIT: There’s more to it than that, but these are some of the fundamentals.

    aniki,

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  • NegativeLookBehind,
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    The people who care will.

    EngineerGaming,
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    Nah, better to I2P or Tor: they don’t need certs at all.

    starman, (edited )
    @starman@programming.dev avatar
    • They will focus on eIDAS now
    Perhyte,

    You forgot one:

    • They’ll quietly re-introduce it in another 6-18 months.
    NegativeLookBehind,
    @NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social avatar

    Ha, yes. I was thinking about that after I posted the comment.

    relevants, in How safe are grammar editing tools?

    Grammarly has a terrible privacy policy, so you are right to be cautious. Unfortunately I don’t have any good alternatives to offer as I only use spellcheck myself.

    war, in 🦆 VS 😈: Let’s regain ground on the toxic web ! – Framasoft’s 2023 report
    @war@kbin.social avatar

    Jesus, that page is a fucking mess. It's like they're actively trying to get people to leave the page.

    possiblylinux127,

    Right? They need to work on there PR

    andruid,

    Desktop or mobile? I’m on mobile and didn’t see anything wrong myself

    otter, in How safe are grammar editing tools?

    This one is recommended by Mozilla

    addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/…/languagetool/

    It DOES still need to send data somewhere to check

    Your privacy is important to us: By default, this extension will check your text by sending it to languagetool.org over a securely encrypted connection. No account is needed to use this extension. We don’t store your IP address. See languagetool.org/privacy/ for our privacy policy.

    I don’t want to confirm details I don’t know, so someone else should probably explain more on if this is good/bad

    bbbhltz,
    @bbbhltz@beehaw.org avatar

    You can run LanguageTool locally. While it isn’t as great as the paid version, I use this to check nearly everything I write for work in my native language, and in the other languages I speak

    caderek.github.io/gramma/ is a cli spellchecker that has the option of installing a LT server locally. Not ideal if you are writing things with Pages/Word/etc., but a possible backup.

    CodeGameEat,

    It’s on my to-do list, but you can also spin up your own language tool instance so that your data never leaves your house, since it is open source: github.com/languagetool-org/languagetool

    If you have a homeserver it can go there, otherwise you can also run it on your computer although I am not sure how much RAM it will use.

    Argongas, in How marketing companies use "Active listening" voice data to target advertising to the EXACT people businesses are looking for

    I'm so skeptical of companies, that I almost instinctively distrust any company which directly advertises to me. I would be doubly so if that ad came soon after discussing a need.

    drwho,

    You (and I) are unfortunately part of the small fraction of a percentage point that think and are inclined to act this way.

    JubilantJaguar, in Privacy Win: EU Parliament Decides That Your Private Messages Must Not Be Scanned!

    Quick politics primer. The EU Parliament is not all-powerful. It cannot even propose legislation (yet). The EU is still mostly a confederation so it’s the governments that hold the reins. But the EP has to say yes for anything to pass. And since it is essentially a consultative body, the EP also tends to contain at least a handful of earnest idealists and specialists (usually Germans) who know when to say no, and how to amend legislation. They are often from the Greens-EFA parliamentary group and sometimes from the liberal Renew group. That is likely what happened here, yet again. It is very important for EU citizens to vote for these parties and candidates in EU elections. The next election is coming up in 6 months.

    BrikoX, (edited )
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    More likely they were forced to change course due to public lobbying allegations and “expert” list comprised of big tech and cops being exposed.

    sturlabragason, in How safe are grammar editing tools?

    You can run your own instance of this?

    languagetool.org

    github.com/languagetool-org/languagetool

    LWD, (edited )

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  • Pantherina,

    Very true.

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