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H3L1X, in It hurts all over
@H3L1X@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, that is the most common response I get. Not quite sure what the best approach to deal with that is.

bionicjoey,

Show them the John Oliver Ed Snowden interview where he says the government has people looking at your sexts

InputZero,

I imagine that for a very small minority of the population, that’s actually their kink. Writing sexually explicit and politically suspect text messages in order to force some unwitting federal employee to participate in some deranged message-au-trois. The world is filled with all kinds of people.

Lamb,

I am literally this. Just let us be tbh.

splendoruranium,

I am literally this. Just let us be tbh.

Are you absolutely sure that you flat-out “don’t have anything to hide” and would readily and truthfully furnish me with every information I asked of you? :P

Lamb,

I wouldn’t mind you finding out any information about me. I would mind you feeling entitled to me putting in effort and time to answer you. I’ve read all the suggestions people here posted and none made me reflect or get anywhere near changing my mind. Privacy centric people just have to accept not everyone is like them. I respect your need for privacy. I don’t understand why you obsessively require me to hold the same belief.

splendoruranium,

I wouldn’t mind you finding out any information about me. I would mind you feeling entitled to me putting in effort and time to answer you. I’ve read all the suggestions people here posted and none made me reflect or get anywhere near changing my mind. Privacy centric people just have to accept not everyone is like them. I respect your need for privacy. I don’t understand why you obsessively require me to hold the same belief.

I don’t think anyone requires you to hold any specific beliefs, nobody within this comment chain anyway.

It’s a bit akin to meeting someone on the street and being told “It’s nighttime!” while the sun is out. I’d definitely be interested in understanding why that other person considers it to be nighttime and I would at the very least be disappointed not to get a conversation out of it.

Three different fictitious requests:

  1. “Can you spare some change?”
  2. “Would you let me skip ahead of the queue please? I have an urgent appointment later on.”
  3. “Will you let us share your user data with our partners in order to improve our services?”

I’m assuming here - and please correct me if I am wrong - that you would be likely to acquiesce to 3. in most contexts, maybe even more likely than to acquiesce to 1. or 2.?

Lamb,

Privacy sentiments are subjective beliefs, not an objective fact like nature.

I genuinely don’t see a point in engaging with you, even just based on what I stated above where you use your personal beliefs in line with objective, provable elements of the natural world. So I’ll choose not to. Cheers. 👍

splendoruranium,

Privacy sentiments are subjective beliefs, not an objective fact like nature.

I genuinely don’t see a point in engaging with you, even just based on what I stated above where you use your personal beliefs in line with objective, provable elements of the natural world. So I’ll choose not to. Cheers. 👍

While I obviously cannot force you to continue a conversation you do not wish to have, I’m a bit perplexed by what you’re saying here and at what point “belief” entered the conversation. If you’re saying that data, personal and otherwise, has no real, objective, provable value then surely that would go against all physical evidence? There must be some kind of misunderstanding here. Well, cheers ✋

nikscha,

Just give me your phone and password then. Surely you won’t mind me going through your pictures and texts while streaming on twitch.

authed, (edited )

send me a naked picture of yourself might work

ISOmorph,

“Can I please use your phone?” and then just start scrolling through their texts and pictures

omnissiah, (edited )
@omnissiah@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Going to try this next time.

Or online; “send me a selfie of you”

h3ndrik,

Let me scroll through your phone, see if there are some nice pictures or chats, the google search history, browser history… Uuh what’s that Lovense Buttplug App for? Do you have any medical conditions or mental health struggles? How do you approach people on Tinder? What’s your salary?

root,

“I too have nothing to hide but that doesn’t mean that it is something I want others to see”

leraje,
@leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Ask them when you can install the bug on their phoneline, open their mail and remove their bathroom door.

H3L1X,
@H3L1X@lemmy.ml avatar

Worth a try, I suppose.

Professional_Human,

Offer to install a security camera in their restroom, duh

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Better in every room, even the bathroom

H3L1X,
@H3L1X@lemmy.ml avatar

Hah, fair enough, most people don’t seem to understand that it is so close to that though.

Sho,

“The rights we enjoy today may become illegal tomorrow”

H3L1X,
@H3L1X@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, I tend to like that response, sometimes it works but people seem to think it would never happen here…

Sho,

True, you just can’t reason with some ppl.

BearOfaTime,

“The you won’t kind providing me with your full birth name, ss#, address, mother’s maiden name, bank account number, pin, computer login, phone login” etc, etc.

Suddenly they’ll be worried about privacy.

Metal_Zealot,
@Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

You unfortunately can’t teach something like this to someone who doesn’t even understand the consequences of it. Or care. Leading a horse to water n all that.

splendoruranium,

You unfortunately can’t teach something like this to someone who doesn’t even understand the consequences of it. Or care.

You can absolutely explain it and teach it and make people care. It’s just not easy. I’ve only ever encountered uninformed “I have nothing to hide”-responses to equally lackluster throwaway explanations . It’s a very difficult and abstract topic, it doesn’t come naturally! Don’t treat privacy concerns as equivalent to pointing out dirt on someone’s clothes, treat it like calculus. Successfully conveying it requires time, conversation and didactics.

ScrambleVerdict,

I once saw the explanation that when someone is looking through your window at your house you also close the blinds or even call the police even though you have nothing to hide.

hiramfromthechi,
@hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world avatar

I got someone to use Signal recently, because I don’t text outside of it. Last week, she asked me why that is. I sent this Bruce Schneier essay on the eternal value of privacy to someone who knows absolutely nothing about tech, and she understood.

I’m gonna try it again next time it comes up with someone else. I think this essay does a really good job of putting it into perspective, so I’m hoping this is the silver bullet I can continue to send when someone asks.

Overall, in general, I try to keep it in real world terms. Why do you close the door when you go to the bathroom? Why do you lock your doors? Why do you have curtains/blinds? etc., along with what some other intelligent people responded here.

H3L1X,
@H3L1X@lemmy.ml avatar

Thank you for that article, it is brief, to the point and easy to understand. I will try giving that to people in the future.

ober,
@ober@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Generally I’ve found the people who say this get privacy and secrecy confused. You close the door when you go to the bathroom because you want privacy, not because you have anything to hide. Everyone has a pretty good idea what you’re doing in there but you close the door anyways. Secrecy would be if you were cooking Meth in the bathroom and wanted to keep it a secret.

ChaoticEntropy,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

I’ll never tell.

PropaGandalf,

That’s the right response!

GameMuse,

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LoveSausage, in Am I running the risk of getting my Google account banned for logging into the Aurora Store or a custom rom like GrapheneOS?
@LoveSausage@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Regarding email you can use k9 email and set it up with your Gmail.

Zerush, in Multiple Adblockers in a row - does it make sense or is it even harmful?
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

It don’t make sense, most adblocker use the same sources, if not enough, most of them perm`ts to ad own filters, even from other adblockers. Aditional extensions can be other privacy tols, like script nlocker or fingerprint spoofer, like Privacy Badger, Canvas Blocker, JShelter, etc., and others like Link Unshortener, URL Cleaner, things like this, complementary to the adblocker. Use several adblocker only slow down browsing or even can breaksome pages.

Zerush, in What should be used for anonymous usernames?
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Random nicknames are not recommended, they are unique identifiers, it is better to use nicknames of famous people or movies, video games, etc., because it makes it difficult to find them on the web, especially if different ones are used on each site.

privacybro,

this is a really good idea

davel, in It hurts all over
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar
privacybro, in (Android) Sandboxed Apps with own VPN and Firewall? [solved]

if you’re willing to go advanced for a bit of extra convenience, then install a mobile browser that has proxy support and proxify that web browser then dedicate the browser to the web version of whatever service you want to use.

turkelton,

Also a nice idea, thanks.

nik282000, in What should be used for anonymous usernames?
@nik282000@lemmy.ca avatar

Go to reddit, pick a username from the front page, use that. Any searching into your use of it will lead to that front page post and its reposts on click mills.

heavyboots, in Call Congress to Stop KOSA (US focused)
@heavyboots@lemmy.ml avatar

Unfortunately my senator is the traitorous Sinema, so she’s worse than useless. Just got an email from her rationalizing this power grab today after writing her and asking she not support it a few months back. 🙄

thenexusofprivacy,
@thenexusofprivacy@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Oh well, thanks for trying.

Pyr_Pressure, in New Outlook update sends passwords and mails on private servers to MS. Ulrich Kelber, TheCommissioner for Data Protection of Germany plans to submit inquires on Tuesday

It’s such a stupid fucking name too.

I tried it, and then it wouldn’t load any previous history or emails so I contacted support to try and see if I did something wrong during setup.

Labelled it as trouble with “outlook” because it’s… The “new” outlook, no?

They went through and tried to diagnose my issue for awhile before telling me they couldn’t do anything because the Outlook (new) isn’t actually outlook it’s relabeled windows mail and I setup my ticket wrong.

So how are you supposed to differentiate outlook vs outlook (new) when they are supposedly completely separate programs?

Evotech,

That seems like supports issue

ArmoredThirteen, in Google memes itself with an admission of spying on customers via a new ad on reddit!

Are they trying to relate themselves to the cyberpunk corps? Who tf greenlit this

Denatured,

I know right. Like wtf.

random65837, in Google memes itself with an admission of spying on customers via a new ad on reddit!

However, the fact that they are now using this as a reference in a marketing meme is insulting.

Google is now making jokes at customers expense,

Google sucks but they’re not doing either of those. You’re missing the point and using privacy minded thinking to misunderstand.

Are you not familiar with the whole “I spy” thing? Ie: they see something you don’t see, they know something you don’t know?

I assume you’re not in the US and not familiar with that?

jacktherippah,

Still funny though.

404,

Question still stands: who tf greenlit this? No chance they don’t know the other connotations

random65837,

I highly doubt they’re worried about less than the 1% not seeing the obvious meaning of what they said. They’re marketing to the masses, which would very much know and pick up on the “I spy” thing.

ekky43,

That just expands the question: do they not know about other countries?

Many of us have certain connotations with google, and while we know the game in our native language, it’s not the first thing we think about when thinking “Google says: I spy”.

JungleJim,

Probably why they published it in English and not your native language so you wouldn’t be confused and think they meant it that way. Too bad somebody will always go the extra step to be offended.

random65837,

Sorry, I disagree, I don’t make the assumption that they’re considering a statistically insignificant group of people that hate them, or possibly countless other countries when using a well know saying in their marketing.

ekky43,

Are you assuming that Google, which, as far as I’m aware, is an international company providing service to a multilingual userbase, has less than 1% non-native English speaking users?

I mean, I don’t care much how Google advertises itself, even companies I do like sometimes make an unlucky promotion and that’s fine, but I do find the arguments in this comment thread to make some wild assumptions.

JungleJim,

What seems like a wild assumption is that an ad in one language would be designed with what another language might think of the ad in mind. Why would a Chinese person care about a Mexican ad for Coca-Cola? You’ve found something to enjoy being upset at.

random65837,

Are you assuming that Google, which, as far as I’m aware, is an international company providing service to a multilingual userbase, has less than 1% non-native English speaking users?

I’m assuming nothing, nor did I ever say their English speaking data sources are less than 1%. That would be the privacy crowd that would be the ones to take simple marketing using a well known term and go into paranoia about it.

However, if I were to assume anything, it would be that an ad in English, would be geard towards English speakers, not others.

li10,

I thought it sounded really out of place still, but I guess it’s a reference to Cyberpunk’s expansion being stealth/spy based.

Denatured,

I assume you’re not in the US and not familiar with that?

No, other side of the world. No, not familiar with that.

Dark_Arc, (edited )
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

It’s a very common game here, especially for children (and has been for decades)… Here’s an example youtu.be/8N2Ha1FuBr4?si=XN9QeSYPrg1JzBuR

It’s very similar to where is Waldo if you’ve heard of that, except “Waldo” can be anything the person who’s running the game wants it to be.

Denatured,

Thx for showing me that. I had no idea. Still to me, someone who lives on the other side of the world opposite of America, to see the phrase “I spy… Do you…” From Google felt a lot like, well, my post says it all.

Appreciate you educating me on that.

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

All good, culture is weird. Definitely a strange reference by Google to begin with

CmdrShepard, (edited )

I am familiar with that and don’t believe your take is accurate. When asking this question, it’s followed with a description of the thing you spy.

“I spy… do you?” is the text of the ad and the text following that doesn’t make it make any more sense either, “Game more than you thought you could.”

CameronDev, in How marketing companies use "Active listening" voice data to target advertising to the EXACT people businesses are looking for

Almost every OS nowadays has some form of microphone detection right? So if this was on, you would be aware of it? And to jump ahead, even google is incentivised to prevent this company listening in, as they are direct competitor.

I wonder if this company is just trying to fleece advertisers with a made up tech? The “Claim your exclusive territory before your competitor” feels like the high pressure tactics that other scams use?

I might go disable the microphone in my TV remote anyway :/

MonkderZweite,

Except if the biggest advertiser has a set of background services with basically root access on your phone running…

CameronDev,

Oh, absolutely. Google/apple/MS definitely could do this. But some no-name company? Not really.

PupBiru,
@PupBiru@kbin.social avatar

OSes have protections built in, yup, but that’s no guarantee. we like hardware switches because there’s physically no way that the mic/cam can be in use: software is always 1 bug or exploit away from not doing what it’s supposed to

Deckweiss,

pinephone!

CameronDev,

Yup, for sure, but while a nation state can risk exploitting a zero day to turn on your microphone, an ad tech company certainly can’t. As soon as it get patched they’d be ruined.

drwho,

Minimal risk for them. The state of monitoring as a whole is such that they can use such an 0-day for a couple of years before anybody notices it. It’s far more likely that the vulnerability is noticed and patched without anyone even realizing that it’s been actively exploited.

CameronDev,

They are literally publically claiming that they have a zero day (or at least a zero day level capability). Google/Apple would be all over it trying to fix it. Cyber security researchers would be all over it as well.

NSA can get away with using 0 days for years because they keep quiet about them, and dont use them frivilously.

cobra89,

Lol you are the only person with a brain in this thread. This entire service they’re advertising sounds like a scam.

People really think these apps are bypassing the Android OS protections that show the microphone icon when the mic is listening?

And what apps are widespread enough that it can capture a wide enough range of people to target the things their customers would want while also not getting discovered or someone working for the app disclosing it?

None of this passes the sniff test.

PupBiru, (edited )
@PupBiru@kbin.social avatar

hey i never said that i believe it… you’re right it sounds like BS, or more likely as someone said: sounds like an april fools page that got left up

but it’s good to be wary of software in general, and to know its limitations

Sentrovasi, in Google memes itself with an admission of spying on customers via a new ad on reddit!

I (charitably) think the fact is that they may also have misunderstood Cyberpunk to be more about hacking than it actually is, and are using "spy" despite a lot of CP2077 not being necessarily about remote hacking cameras at all.

indigojasper, in Google memes itself with an admission of spying on customers via a new ad on reddit!
@indigojasper@kbin.social avatar

my bet is one of their bots made this and they don't even know this ad is out in the wild until someone brings it up

webghost0101,

Its either this or its not real. I cant believe a human would green light this unless this is their final task before taking a better job.

random65837, in Call Congress to Stop KOSA (US focused)

Where are the actual examples of how it would hurt kids?

thenexusofprivacy, (edited )
@thenexusofprivacy@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

From www.stopkosa.com

First, KOSA would pressure platforms to install filters that would wipe the net of anything deemed “inappropriate” for minors. This = instructing platforms to censor, plain and simple. Places that already use content filters have restricted important information about suicide prevention and LGBTQ+ support groups, and KOSA would spread this kind of censorship to every corner of the internet. It’s no surprise that anti-rights zealots are excited about KOSA: it would let them shut down websites that cover topics like race, gender, and sexuality.

Second, KOSA would ramp up the online surveillance of all internet users by expanding the use of age verification and parental monitoring tools. Not only are these tools needlessly invasive, they’re a massive safety risk for young people who could be trying to escape domestic violence and abuse.

Here’s more on how the Heritage Foundation says they’ll use it to censor LGBTQ content, and about how KOSA denies young people freedoms of expression and privacy

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