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vox, (edited ) in BVG out here recommending the best 2FA Apps!
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2fas

Dark_Arc, (edited ) in The state of open source SMS messagers
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You definitely shouldn’t invest time in SMS. Without RCS (or some custom messaging protocol support), “texting apps” are pretty much a dead market.

RCS is both more secure and more user friendly than SMS can be by design. Once the iPhone gets RCS support in the coming months/years, this will be especially true.

Anticorp,

If you message cross-platform from Android to iOS, and you can’t get everyone to agree upon a 3rd party app, then you’re kind of stuck with sms. This isn’t a problem that is going away in the near future. Apple relies on their locked messaging platform to influence their users into thinking iOS is the best. The users then pressure all of their friends to get iPhones too. It’s an effective strategy for them. Very few iPhone users seem to understand the games being played.

Dark_Arc, (edited )
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digitaltrends.com/…/apple-iphone-getting-rcs-2024…

Maybe try searching what I said first…?

fadedmaster,
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In fairness, even the author of the article you linked didn’t think that’d ever happen. I’m somewhat up to date on most general tech things and missed this announcement too (though to be honest I don’t follow Apple announcements anyway).

priapus,

There is no open source RCS messaging app afaik

LWD, (edited )

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  • Dark_Arc,
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    You’re right, I’ve updated my reply… Hopefully someday that will be a generic RCS feature not exclusive to Google and/or Apple and Google will work to make the E2EE work between their two systems.

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  • Natanael,

    If the MLS group messaging encryption protocol can get finalized any day soon then they might use that

    nymwit,

    Samsung messages has Google’s RCS implementation and E2EE, too.

    smeg,

    Plenty of services still unfortunately rely on SMS for 2FA, so we’ll still need a client to receive them. Doesn’t really need to be able to send them though, I don’t think any human has sent an SMS message deliberately for about 12 years!

    petrescatraian,

    @smeg Me and my friends use it as a fallback for mildly urgent stuff. If anything is more urgent, then we call each other.

    @Dark_Arc

    scoobford,

    I don’t think any human has sent an SMS message deliberately for about 12 years!

    sweats nervously in American

    spacecowboy,

    I don’t know anyone in Canada that isn’t a new Canadian that uses anything other than the default sms app on their phone. (FBM and Insta and what not don’t count in my example).

    SMS is alive and well in Canada.

    smeg,

    My condolences. But seriously though, what if you want to have a group chat, or send a file?

    spacecowboy,

    Plenty of group chats that mix iMessage and sms, just through iMessage, or just sms group chats.

    Most new Canadians I interact with have WhatsApp, however, as I understand that’s quite popular abroad.

    smeg,

    SMS doesn’t have group chats does it? Unless your client is just sending the same message to everyone and grouping together the responses?

    scoobford,

    I don’t know about the underlying technology, but every client I’ve used for the past couple decades supported groups.

    However, they absolutely sucked. There was no way to leave. Unless someone made a new group without you and everyone used that, you’d keep getting messages.

    apis,

    SMS is my primary mode of contact with the rest if the world. I use Signal as well, but most people I know only use SMS.

    smeg,

    So how do you have group chats or send files with your non-Signal contacts?

    apis,

    It has never occurred to me to do either of those things, and apparently hasn’t to anyone I’m in contact with either.

    Though I don’t use group chats or send files in Signal either, so there’s that.

    Jomn, (edited )
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    You don’t x)

    More seriously, in these cases, I often rely on emails instead. But I don’t really use group chats a lot (even with my contacts that are on Signal), nor send many files, so it’s not features I really miss. And SMS works with everyone, so it’s always my default if the contact isn’t on Signal.

    smeg,

    Blimey, you and I have wildly different use cases, I don’t think I’ve sent an email to someone who wasn’t a business for decades!

    nymwit,

    Group chats work over SMS. I use cloud links for large files or just SMS/MMS for pictures and you just live with the low quality if texting with an iPhone user.

    smeg,

    SMS doesn’t have group chats does it? Unless your client is just sending the same message to everyone and grouping together the responses?

    nymwit,

    I mean, maybe? I’ve used group texts with every sms client on every android smartphone I’ve ever used. Don’t know how it works on the backend.

    wintermute, in The state of open source SMS messagers

    I’m using this ohne after Signal dropped SMS support

    jws_shadotak, (edited )

    That’s simple mobile tools, which op was referring to as the sellouts.

    GnomeComedy, (edited )

    That’s the app OP is talking about ‘selling out’ to advertisers.

    miss_brainfart, (edited ) in The state of open source SMS messagers
    @miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

    The simplemobiletools apps are being forked by one of their bigger co-developers, so I’ll just use that as soon as it’s available.

    Until then, as long as you got the build from F-Droid, there shouldn’t be anything to worry about.

    techognito,
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    github.com/FossifyOrg

    link to the new fork

    MagneticFusion, in The state of open source SMS messagers

    There is P-SMS which is a fork of QKSMS, that is what I use

    Asudox, in The state of open source SMS messagers
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    I use QUIK. It’s pretty minimalist and quite nice to use.

    Lemongrab,
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    QUIK is a fork of QKSMS but updated. Partison SMS is another fork

    Asudox,
    @Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah

    rustyriffs,

    Where can these be found?

    Asudox,
    @Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

    Both can be found in GitHub. I use Obtainium to get QUIK releases.

    Caboose12000,

    obtainuim looks really useful for keeping these updated, but is there a reason they aren’t just on f-droid? until now I thought that was considered the norm or standard for open source android apps

    Natanael,

    F-Droid either requires app developers to set up their own repository (and point users to them) or to follow the F-Droid repo rules (the F-Droid devs compile and sign your app, not you)

    timbuck2themoon, (edited )
    rustyriffs,

    Thank you

    Transcendant, in The state of open source SMS messagers

    I’m happy with my version of simple messenger, I’ve not updated it for a while… Am I good to keep using that? Can you explain more what you mean by selling out?

    miss_brainfart,
    @miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

    The lead dev sold simplemobiletools to Zippo Apps (or whatever they’re called), a company known for buying apps and stuffing them full of ads, trackers and bullying people into buying subscriptions.

    That news came a bit out of the blue, and while I understand why he sold it, the fact that he sold it to such a fuckface company that goes against everything his apps stood for is… yeah

    Transcendant,

    That’s very disappointing to hear. I’ve upgraded to the latest Fdroid version, and I guess that is where the updates will end!

    digger,
    @digger@lemmy.ca avatar

    One of the developers is forking the whole project.

    Transcendant,

    What an absolute legend!

    digger,
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    If you’re looking for it - https://github.com/FossifyOrg

    Carter, in The state of open source SMS messagers

    There’s just no point in developing an app for a dead service. Just use the AOSP messaging app when you need.

    _haha_oh_wow_, in At COP28, 12,000 surveillance cameras are causing privacy concerns
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    I’m a lot more concerned about this whole thing being poisoned by wealthy oil barons with no regard for anything but profit, but what do I know?

    jacktherippah, in The state of open source SMS messagers

    There’s no privacy in SMS messaging anyway. I use the messages app from AOSP. A little ugly but it works just fine.

    wincing_nucleus073, (edited ) in Epic Win Against Google

    Epic Games is a hellhole of antiprivacy, CCP dick sucking, invasive spyware nightmares.

    This isn’t a win. Just evil satanic corps trying to get one up on each other

    dotslashme, (edited ) in CVS, Rite Aid, Walgreens hand out medical records to cops without warrants

    I might be pretty stupid, but why would police even want medical information? In what way are medical records a help in any police duty?

    Edit: thanks for the responses. My only comment is that these examples are fucking terrifying.

    520,

    Helps a cop gain evidence against a perp.

    "You're on this medication, we got it from X pharmacy. You shouldn't have been driving while on it, should you?"

    Jarlsburg, (edited )

    I worked at a pharmacy and the only time it actually happened was when a patient tried to sell their Vicodin to an undercover cop outside the store. The cop came in and asked for the information about the prescription and we gave it to him.

    princessnorah,
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    Freely admits on the internet to violating someone’s right to due process. But they were a druggie, so no biggie right?

    Jarlsburg, (edited )

    Yeah, I didn’t say any of that but ok. HIPAA/employers actually require you to give law enforcement information in a variety of situations, including specifically the situation I mentioned:

    To report PHI that the covered entity in good faith believes to be evidence of a crime that occurred on the covered entity’s premises (45 CFR 164.512(f)(5)).

    HHS - When does the Privacy Rule allow covered entities to disclose information to law enforcement

    mx_smith,

    Is that without a warrant? It wouldn’t be hard to impersonate a cop or even a cop with a grudge against someone to come find out what medications they are taking to dig further into someone’s lives and ruin said life.

    Jarlsburg,

    Yes, without a warrant. It’s in the Privacy Notice in any retail pharmacy.

    Impersonating a cop is a pretty big step that’s illegal in its own right but we did have moms trying to see if their adult daughter was on birth control, but that’s pretty easy to stop. Just lock their profile and ask the patient to make up a passcode or only deal with them in person.

    GnomeKat,
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    bootlicker

    HootinNHollerin,
    @HootinNHollerin@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Tell him to come back with a warrant

    Imgonnatrythis,

    Finding weaknesses. If a person has breathing difficulties they can save time and don’t need to put their knee on their neck for so long.

    SamsonSeinfelder, in CVS, Rite Aid, Walgreens hand out medical records to cops without warrants

    It is crazy how in a country where everyone sues everyone all the time things like that happen. I had assumed that such a system would lead to a more robust system where every manager to ceo is vetting their business against these problems to not get sued. Apparently the liberal system of suing anyone all the time does not at all replaces a governmental body that defines strong consumer protection rights. Reading this, Turbotax and Wells Fargo News teaches me that a suing society is not cleansing itself from predatory behaviour.

    JudahBenHur,

    Your “everyone sues everyone all the time” presumption is not fact based.

    theguardian.com/…/america-litigious-society-myth

    Here is a list of the top 5 most litigious countries by capita: 1. Germany: 123.2/1,000 2. Sweden: 111.2/1,000 3. Israel: 96.8/1,000 4. Austria: 95.9/1,000 5. U.S.: 74.5/1,000. The Top 10 also includes the UK (64.4); Denmark (62.5); Hungary (52.4); Portugal (40.7); and France (40.3).

    As you can see, the risk of lawsuits in the U.S. is less than in Germany, Sweden, Israel, and Austria, and not much greater than the other countries listed in the top 10. Simply stated, Americans are not as litigious as many believe. While the large verdict against McDonalds for serving hot coffee received enormous publicity, that judgment was significantly reduced on appeal and the plaintiff spent the left of her life being ridiculed.

    eaccny.com/…/dont-let-these-10-legal-myths-stop-y…

    pandarisu,

    My perspective is that people in the USA are more likely to THREATEN to sue, which a lot of the time is an empty threat, and a lot harder to quantify

    JudahBenHur,

    Oh right. Did you get this perspective from movies and tv or have you heard a lot of American people threaten to sue one another in real life

    mx_smith,

    People don’t sue as much as you think, we don’t have the money for lawyers.

    Drusas, in CVS, Rite Aid, Walgreens hand out medical records to cops without warrants

    For those of you who think you are using a local pharmacy, you might want to check whether or not they're owned by one of these. They buy out local pharmacies without obviously rebranding. And then they kill the store. At least, that's Rite Aid's MO.

    Milarepa_07, in Anytype as an alternative to Notion or Obsidian

    I just installed it. In need to look more in to it. But thank you for mentioning it. Never got really in to notion and

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