In some countries where facebook found a way to become āfreeā even without a data plan, facebook is literally the internet for a lot of people who canāt afford it. And that makes it even more dangerous.
Iām 18 and fine with my parents knowing where I am so we can coordinate mealtimes and stuff. I really donāt care for having a third party spy on me 24/7 though. We just Signal each other āIām at xyz location, be back soonā and thatās plenty enough.
That sounds far more (and acceptably so in my view) stochastic tho, like, do they have on-demand ālets see where lol is right now even though I have zero need to know currentlyā or is it just like u verbally check-in when they Signal u?
We just verbally check in and Iām totally fine with saying where I am. I believe the important thing here is trust. If, hypothetically, we were able to set up something privacy-respecting that communicated my GPS location to my parents 24/7, I wouldnāt be a fan of it. Itād feel like my parents are monitoring me because they donāt trust me to be truthful about my whereabouts.
If you actually need to, u can āshareā as like a thing to attach your actual GPS location in Signal, no different from sharing a pic or file or dictation
I never cared that my parents knew where he was because I was never trying to do anything particularly nefarious and my parents werenāt completely buttheads.
But this was pre mobile phone days (my first phone was a Nokia Ngage), so if I went out they wouldnāt be able to contact me in an emergency so it made sense to say oh Iām going to x house here is ther phone number. Now that mobile phones exist maybe that requirement no longer exists.
That is a trust based transaction when parent asks where their child is going as well.
Putting tracking malware and using surveillance all the time is invasion of privacy, teaching the child that surveillance is okay, and completely lacking a trust relationship, which is bad within a family.
I am Gen Z and Iām not fine with that. I chose to go to college far from where I grew up so that I would be independent and free and do stuff on my own accord, like buying a motorcycle.
I have an organ donor on my license. But Iām not trying to kill myself, Iām just following my heart.
It seems like fewer people in my generation have motorcycles because 1) we have less money (although you can save by replacing a car with one) than previous generations, and 2) the older generations constantly push the narrative that having a motorcycle is equivalent to having a death wish, which circles back to the point that they shouldnāt be spying on us all the time.
Youāre taking a line and putting it on the road against planes.
Follow your heart all you want, my math teacher in high-school had a motorcycle. Broke his collar bone, fractured his skull, broke his leg and had road rash. Much like smoking cigarettes, youāre allowed to take your life into your own hands. Donāt convince yourself that youāre somehow doing otherwise.
You sound so paranoid about safety I get the feeling you literally live in a suit of bubble-wrap. If they wanted your finger wagging theyād have asked you for it
And you are talking like people who ride motorcycles have a 100% death toll. Which is demonstrably false.
I donāt ride them, Iām 29 morbidly obese and have a shit sense of balance. I just canāt stand people who try to spread fear based on personal trauma they experienced instead of being factual about the real dangers of the world.
What makes you think learning from someone elseās stupid decisions qualifies as trauma? Oh, this must not be a lesson you learned growing up.
When you see someone do something stupid you go āno, Iām okā, and your life is better for it.
You wanna die young, or cripple yourself? Go for it, be my guest. Donāt delude yourself into thinking it isnāt on the table because ānot everyone who rides motorcycles diesā.
What makes you think learning from someone elseās stupid decisions qualifies as trauma?
I donāt. I think someone you care about dying in a motorcycle accident counts as personal trauma.
When you see someone do something stupid you go āno, Iām okā, and your life is better for it.
See, this is what I mean. Motorcycle riding isnāt an inherently stupid thing, or at least no more stupid than driving a car or riding a bike. There is inherent danger in all forms of transportation. I donāt see you railing against the people driving two ton land torpedoes that we call ācarsā and killing people on motorcycles or those who walk.
Donāt delude yourself into thinking it isnāt on the table because ānot everyone who rides motorcycles diesā.
The only one who suggested it.ā isnāt on the table" is the strawman in your head
This is why I said youāve got some personal trauma. You are insisting you donāt actually care about the safety of someone who you spent time out of your day to yell at for wanting to drive a motorcycle, then call anybody who says you are being excessive childish for not agreeing that motorcycles have a 100% injury and mortality rate and that the person who you supposedly donāt care about is doomed to end up like the teacher who supposedly isnāt a source of personal trauma for you
Edit to add: Iāll forgive your ad-homenins because itās clear you need some therapy to overcome the death of that teacher you knew.
Thereās significantly less chance of getting fucked for life if yiu actually wear proper safety gear. Doesnāt stop the danger of others, though. But it can lower damage.
Scariest visual novel i ever played was about kids having their privacy personally violated (that is, not generic analytic data, but someone knowing that kid specifically was doing so and so) and just not caring about it.
There are more secure location sharing apps out there that are end to end encrypted. My family uses Zood location www.zood.xyz when we are out and about and needing to coordinate our locations. It is handy to use sometimes but it doesnāt do all the spy stuff the other apps do.
I self-host Hauk, although I could not polish all the bugs myself, it works pretty well.
We have location sharing on 24/7, it was consensual on both sides, and it is great when coordinating.
I am 27, tho, back in my teenager days there was no location tracking easily available, but Iād use it in a heartbeat. Better than getting asked if I am already on the way home or still at the party.
I mean, just carrying a cellphone with mobile reception is almost like a 24/7 GPS tracker although obv no parent is generally going to be able to (not should they be able to) like warrant or subpoena that shit from the network carriers/towers
Iām a gen zer and I would absolutely freak out. Iād rather not going out rather than being spied 24/7 by my parents. Seriously, this is the best way to kill trust between children and their parents. Now even the social relationship between parents and children has to be extremely toxic and anxiogenic as a basic minimum requirement
That cant be realāholy shit. Thats worse than picking on kids that dont have an iPhoneā¢ļø or any phone or donāt have āthe blue bubblesā from using iMessage (which nobody should ever use honestly)
Fight the system, if someone laughs at you for having a green bubble, just counter by saying you are special and they are just normies like everyone else with blue bubble.
I go even further and say āif you want the real and sick blue bubbles, get Signalā.
Otherwise, enjoy getting spied on and having all your data handed over from Apple and also iMessage is dogshit. Half the time it doesnt even get delivered/received and you have to literally call or message the person through some real stable means of communication to troubleshoot
Imma not even get started on iMessage --> skeleton key/zero-day purpose (this is conjecture but I vehemently reject any argument to the contrary)
Yeah, those people are delusional, but thatās what you get when you raise kids in a world where having expensive shit is more important than teaching them frugality, money saving, and being nice to each other.
Blue bubbles go brrrr, doesnāt matter the kid doesnāt have attention span due to watching TikTok all day, or eating junk food cuz parents order fast food and have frozen pizza every day for dinner.
Burying bodies in my garden eating shitty food in order to sate my hunger for human flesh which usually makes me go on a killing spree to calm my cravings for blood less productive.
See the thing is Iām fine with it because I know my parents wouldnāt have spied on me 24/7. If they were helicopter parents and DID check where I was every hour of the day I wouldnāt be fine with it.
My parents have always been VERY restrictive about anything but computers (just because they donāt understand them). However, I asked them if they would do it and they told me thatās damn outrageous
I know itās just some rag bait nonsense, but I know as a fact most teens would never want their parents to constantly know where they are and monitor them constantly.
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