Yes, I was a public figure on reddit. And even if I wasn’t, it’s irrelevant. You don’t need to have a reddit account for scammers to post libel about you and your business.
It’s not up to Reddit to decide what is libel under the law (yet), that’s the court’s job, but even if it were on Reddit what would you expect them to do? Ban the people? They’ll make new accounts. IP ban? VPN.
Your real goal here is to make the people stop posting what you say are lies, and the only real recourse is legal. Find a lawyer, you might be able to get someone to work on contingency if your case is solid.
even if it were on Reddit what would you expect them to do?
Supposedly they have dedicated “anti-evil” teams that deal with this type of thing.
Ban the people? They’ll make new accounts. IP ban? VPN.
Reddit can deal with that much easier than lawyers can. It would be a continual, massive money-sink to use legal action to continually take down the new accounts. Whereas reddit can track trends and things that are occurring on their own website much easier. They already deal with stuff like this on a regular basis in regards to spam, etc.
that’s the court’s job
Find a lawyer, you might be able to get someone to work on contingency if your case is solid
It doesn’t appear that defamation is something lawyers take on contingency. They all asked for a retainer and hourly rate and made it sound like it might not even be possible even after spending tens of thousands of dollars.
Ideally you’d be able to simply go to a judge and show that the info was defamation and get an order for reddit to take it down, but apparently it doesn’t work like that, and you have to hunt down the individual people behind the accounts and be able to get them to court.
They all asked for a retainer and hourly rate and made it sound like it might not even be possible even after spending tens of thousands of dollars.
Yes, much like HTML the law is an interpreted language and it’s never certain how a judge or jury will interpret it, no matter how good an argument your lawyer makes.
Reddit can deal with that much easier than lawyers can. It would be a continual, massive money-sink to use legal action to continually take down the new accounts.
Betraying your naïveté there; you have it backwards. Reddit are the ones that would be playing whack-a-mole with accounts. Proper legal discovery (yes, against Reddit, they will respond to a subpoena) would get the IP addresses and maybe personal info of the posters. Trivial to find which company owns an IP using a tool like mxtoolbox.com. Then, subpoena the ISP for the subscriber that IP was assigned to in a window of time, around when the comment was posted, your lawyers contact them with a scary letter and hopefully they stop. If they don’t, you then have to go to court to get a court order or injunction or whathaveyou. And if they still persist, then you have to go to court again to enforce the previous judgement and probably apply stricter consequences.
That’s how it works. Yes, it’s expensive, and yes that bars some from getting justice. Yes that sucks, and I wish it was different. But it is the (legal) solution to your problem.
Taking legal action stops the problem at the source, thus no need for whack-a-mole. The law is less about prevention and more about remedy, because this isn’t Minority Report.
Regardless, if you’re now going to make the argument that Reddit has or “should have” more power to stop this kind of thing than the US legal system, then I’m gonna have to bow out. I’m sorry there’s not a more satisfying answer than the one you’ve gotten. Good luck.
Any suitably large company or web platform might be subject to a legal request like this. For once, it seems like users and reddit are on the same side here.
Lemmy’s only defense at the moment is obscurity, it too could face these court battles if it gained more prominence or attention.
Reddit, which filed confidentially for its IPO in December 2021, is planning to make its public filing in late February, launch its roadshow in early March, and complete the IPO by the end of March, two of the sources said.
Should be interesting to see people pick apart the filing. I think it’s obvious why they left such a narrow window from reading the filing (which was 2 years ago, before the API change and all the backlash) to the actually offering. However, I don’t think it will be short enough for them to not be held over the fire.
Just wait, they will be heavily moderating the discussion about the filing on their platform.
Can we make an enshittification graphic that you can put a website/product on and track it as it goes through the enshittification cycle? We gotta move Reddit from stage 1 enshittification to stage 2 enshittification (going for an IPO).
Stage 2 involves a disorienting attempt to portray everything as fine with the website/product when in actuality enshittification is aggressively accelerating.
That’s a pretty cool idea for a website, tracking the enshittification of major sites and products. I’d read it but I’m sure it’d be a lot of depressing, hard to monetize work for those involved to run.
And I’m sure inevitably, the site will become harder to run as more and more companies enter the shit list. Over time - features will be cut to save effort. List entry will be out sourced. The company itself, of course, will not see the irony. Finally - a new website emerges to track the enshittification of enshittification tracking websites. And the prophecy continues.
Do we really have to go through this shit again? As long as you refuse to make watching movies convenient and reasonably priced, people will pirate. You were already so close, but then you got greedy and fucked it all up again so here we are.
They really had achieved the dream. They made a streaming account affordable and more convenient than pirating, so they had tons of customers, with piracy a long lost pastime for people like me. Then they got greedy like you said, and annoying, and many of us dusted off our sailing gear.
The arrs are amazing. I had been out for a while. It’s more fun than streaming. Random stuff shows up that I wasn’t expecting when it downloads a new show or moviess that I like.
Radarr, sonarr, prowlarr and others. Apps that monitor your library, your preferred shows and movies and download them automatically for better quality or just new releases. Particularly good for tv shows.
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