It’s not up to Reddit to decide what is libel under the law (yet), that’s the court’s job, but even if it were on Reddit what would you expect them to do? Ban the people? They’ll make new accounts. IP ban? VPN.
Your real goal here is to make the people stop posting what you say are lies, and the only real recourse is legal. Find a lawyer, you might be able to get someone to work on contingency if your case is solid.
even if it were on Reddit what would you expect them to do?
Supposedly they have dedicated “anti-evil” teams that deal with this type of thing.
Ban the people? They’ll make new accounts. IP ban? VPN.
Reddit can deal with that much easier than lawyers can. It would be a continual, massive money-sink to use legal action to continually take down the new accounts. Whereas reddit can track trends and things that are occurring on their own website much easier. They already deal with stuff like this on a regular basis in regards to spam, etc.
that’s the court’s job
Find a lawyer, you might be able to get someone to work on contingency if your case is solid
It doesn’t appear that defamation is something lawyers take on contingency. They all asked for a retainer and hourly rate and made it sound like it might not even be possible even after spending tens of thousands of dollars.
Ideally you’d be able to simply go to a judge and show that the info was defamation and get an order for reddit to take it down, but apparently it doesn’t work like that, and you have to hunt down the individual people behind the accounts and be able to get them to court.
They all asked for a retainer and hourly rate and made it sound like it might not even be possible even after spending tens of thousands of dollars.
Yes, much like HTML the law is an interpreted language and it’s never certain how a judge or jury will interpret it, no matter how good an argument your lawyer makes.
Reddit can deal with that much easier than lawyers can. It would be a continual, massive money-sink to use legal action to continually take down the new accounts.
Betraying your naïveté there; you have it backwards. Reddit are the ones that would be playing whack-a-mole with accounts. Proper legal discovery (yes, against Reddit, they will respond to a subpoena) would get the IP addresses and maybe personal info of the posters. Trivial to find which company owns an IP using a tool like mxtoolbox.com. Then, subpoena the ISP for the subscriber that IP was assigned to in a window of time, around when the comment was posted, your lawyers contact them with a scary letter and hopefully they stop. If they don’t, you then have to go to court to get a court order or injunction or whathaveyou. And if they still persist, then you have to go to court again to enforce the previous judgement and probably apply stricter consequences.
That’s how it works. Yes, it’s expensive, and yes that bars some from getting justice. Yes that sucks, and I wish it was different. But it is the (legal) solution to your problem.
Taking legal action stops the problem at the source, thus no need for whack-a-mole. The law is less about prevention and more about remedy, because this isn’t Minority Report.
Regardless, if you’re now going to make the argument that Reddit has or “should have” more power to stop this kind of thing than the US legal system, then I’m gonna have to bow out. I’m sorry there’s not a more satisfying answer than the one you’ve gotten. Good luck.
Yes, I was a public figure on reddit. And even if I wasn’t, it’s irrelevant. You don’t need to have a reddit account for scammers to post libel about you and your business.
Any suitably large company or web platform might be subject to a legal request like this. For once, it seems like users and reddit are on the same side here.
Lemmy’s only defense at the moment is obscurity, it too could face these court battles if it gained more prominence or attention.
Can we make an enshittification graphic that you can put a website/product on and track it as it goes through the enshittification cycle? We gotta move Reddit from stage 1 enshittification to stage 2 enshittification (going for an IPO).
Stage 2 involves a disorienting attempt to portray everything as fine with the website/product when in actuality enshittification is aggressively accelerating.
That’s a pretty cool idea for a website, tracking the enshittification of major sites and products. I’d read it but I’m sure it’d be a lot of depressing, hard to monetize work for those involved to run.
And I’m sure inevitably, the site will become harder to run as more and more companies enter the shit list. Over time - features will be cut to save effort. List entry will be out sourced. The company itself, of course, will not see the irony. Finally - a new website emerges to track the enshittification of enshittification tracking websites. And the prophecy continues.
Do we really have to go through this shit again? As long as you refuse to make watching movies convenient and reasonably priced, people will pirate. You were already so close, but then you got greedy and fucked it all up again so here we are.
They really had achieved the dream. They made a streaming account affordable and more convenient than pirating, so they had tons of customers, with piracy a long lost pastime for people like me. Then they got greedy like you said, and annoying, and many of us dusted off our sailing gear.
The arrs are amazing. I had been out for a while. It’s more fun than streaming. Random stuff shows up that I wasn’t expecting when it downloads a new show or moviess that I like.
Radarr, sonarr, prowlarr and others. Apps that monitor your library, your preferred shows and movies and download them automatically for better quality or just new releases. Particularly good for tv shows.
These companies are just mad that their movies sucked and didn’t make any money, so they’re saying they’re losing profit from piracy… what profit?!?! No one wants to watch Hellboy 2019 for free, much less put in the time and effort to pirate that garbage. And if they are, then I feel like having to watch any fragment of that movie is punishment enough.
Honestly, I don’t see a problem with pirating a movie that came out 5+ years ago. After a movie has left cinemas and can only be seen via DVD/blueray are the studios really making much money back from those? They’re definitely not making any money on DVDs/bluerays bought from secondhand stores.
They already know who I am lol. I don’t hide it at all, straight raw dogging it without VPN or anything. Thankfully they can’t do anything because they would lose money pursuing me.
It’s a human thing, this is all social media. It’ll happen here as well if enough people join a conversation and especially if the userbase expands. Everyone just want to have their say/get attention without checking the other comments.
Stating obvious shit like it was some hidden piece of wisdom? Inability to handle subtleties like “lying” vs. “saying an incorrect statement”? Voting system? People repeating the same shit over and over, without reading the others’ comments?
EDIT: I’m highlighting that this YT comment section shows a lot of things to hate in Reddit. In some aspects they’re behaving exactly like redditors; in some they’re actually doing it better, even if YT is a cesspool of idiocy.
Point 1 & 3 basically. Every thread where there’s an obvious subtext it seems like the top 5 comments are telling you about it while patting themselves on the back for figuring out while seemingly not having read any of the other comments.
I left Reddit forever because they were going out of their way to actively make the site worse for literally no other reason than corporate greed. Then they were unbelievably smug about it and insisted it was actually a good thing somehow. Then they tried to gloss over the whole thing by letting everyone play graffiti artist on a virtual wall for a few days, after which they pretended everything was normal again.
Went back recently and found that the “back” functionality was broken. Literally, going back out of a post didn’t take me to the main feed, it brought me back to the new tab screen.
How does a site as big as reddit screw up basic navigation?
…and how six months later, it all amounted to jack squat and Reddit is back to business as usual. Exactly how Reddit correctly figured outraged internet warriors would get all worked up for a while and then lose interest.
Yeah. You’re missing bots regurgitating old posts into new ones, and ai bots responding to that. You’re missing the thousands of samesies “What [movie/video game/song] do you like but everyone hates” You’re missing obvious troll posts like “AITA for defending my 6yo from nearly being a rape victim?”
I have been back occasionally when searching for some specific thing, and sometimes I checked r/all and my former favorite subs. My overall observation:
Top subs already sucked before the API changes, still looking bad. I don’t have too much comparison, as I wasn’t following them anyway, but I would be surprised if they improved
My former favorite niche subs went downhill, with lower frequency and quality of content. I assume this is due to some mods and powerusers leaving
Overall, reddit is still useful as an occasional information source for checking public opinion/sentiment on specific things, but for me, it’s appeal as a general “time-waster” social media, where I keep scrolling for an hour and leave comments is gone.
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