Math is literally made up. There is no physical basis for math. Math is just another language used to describe things. The universe doesn’t care whether there’s “2 particles” or “1 particle and another particle” or “1 particle + 1 particle”. It doesn’t make these distinctions. Math only exists as long as there is an intelligent species which uses it. If there are no intelligent brains capable of using math and with a knowledge that it exists, math stops existing.
Except there is math in nature, such as fractals, the Fibonacci sequence, and the wave behavior or sound and light. Sure nature doesn’t have any awareness of doing math, but it is there. Not all math is made up just for our understanding.
That’s kinda the point though. Math is a language inspired by reality. It describes the logical relationships between things in an abstract format. Physical sciences like physics or chemistry build off it by adding rules and units to more accurately describe or predict real-world relationships, but at the end of the day, it’s all made up. Nature isn’t doing math to create a fractal any more than you’re doing math when you move your fingers or toes. Math doesn’t create a fractal, it describes it! You can then use that description to create a fractal, but the fractal isn’t math.
This conversation reminds me of the first couple times i surfed Reddit over a decade ago. It was so cool to be in a place where intelligent and interesting discussion was happening… Wish i could contribute something useful to it, but i just want to thank you all for carrying that kind of energy into the '20s 🥂
You mean logic. Math is describing this in formulas. Some even make up nonsense with formulas. Wasn’t there a scientific ‘proof of god’ with flawed logic years ago?
No, I mean, I remember there being a further expanded version that adds more steps between social sciences and philosophy. I haven’t been able to find it though.
I think AI belongs in the same box as electronics, which is just black magic with a cover story to make it seem like science.
You know how electronics sometimes release smoke when misused? Yea, that smoke is actually what makes the component work, and it’s a hell of a chore to put the smoke back in when it first has escaped!
Or do you know that planes actually “fall up into the sky” when they have enough speed? Ever looked at a jet fighter? Yea, the wings are actually just decoys.
Perhaps the memes would be better placed in witchymemes, or maybe we should make a new community for real, black magic, magus bullshit, “science”.
(Disclaimer: I’m an engineer, the examples above are jokes we like to tell each other. I know how that stuff actually works, and I’m obligated to make this disclaimer so you don’t realize that most engineers actually are modern day mages.)
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