Most of yhe subscribed communities seem to be working on your instance. When did you subscribe to permacomputing@lemmy.sdf.org? was it after the upgrade to 0.19.x?
I moved from Lemmy.ml because I liked the name of Lemmy.world and it ran a newer Lemmy version which meant I could make communities. I moved from Lemmy.world because they defederated from piracy communities they didn’t even host (but for some reason still kept the small piracy community they DID host) From thelemmy.club...
“There’s a big issue with how Lemmy works, here’s how I think decentralization should be approached instead.”
Again, I feel like you’re making the wrong point in the wrong place. My understanding is that you came to a project designed with the ideals of federation, and you complain that it shouldn’t be federated. That should probably be done as a fork of Lemmy, or an independent competitor.
It seems to me like you’re in ideological conflict with Lemmy’s developers, where you see no value in what Lemmy seeks to create. That’s completely fine, of course, but I really feel like you’re making your case in the wrong place.
Having terabytes of information possibly disappearing because one person gets in a car accident on their way to work isn’t an improvement vs a centralized system hosted on AWS.
Federation does not mean terabytes of information disappearing - to my understanding, posts, comments and votes are already duplicated across the instances. What would be lost is ownership of communities/posts, and accounts created on that instance, as well as things like image posts where the images are stored on one instance.
However, if images weren’t stored as links in those posts, accounts could be fully migrated, and communities could be migrated or even just federated with other communities, nothing would have to be lost.
Communities would be moderated by their creator, server admins could decide not to host content from any communities they don’t want to host, if no server admin wants to host your community then you’re free to host it on your own server or to fix the problems with it.
I feel like that structure wouldn’t work, just looking at how much defederation is happening, server owners wouldn’t want to be affiliated with certain content at all. It did also remind me of the fact that ActivityPub is not just Lemmy - you can also interact with mastodon and kbin on Lemmy, which is rooted in the federated approach.
There’s illegal content on Lemmy right now, even instances that don’t want to host it need to clean up their images folder because of it, so it’s not as if the way it works right now is any better for that and it’s not as if there’s no instance admin ready to host that content.
True, I feel like the issue only gets worse as you blur the line between different instances more, but I have no data to back that up.
User credentials can be stored securely. Do you think your instance admin has a text file with your password written in plain characters?
I feel like you failed to address my point, that with the current security standard, data leaks are still considered a threat to your password security. Even in the best case, getting access to hashed passwords means being able to brute force it without any rate limits. Maybe I’m wrong, but you’d need to either prove that password hashes leaking are not an issue at all, or figure out a way to provide trusted decentralized authentication server architecture, or figure out a way to store the passwords where leaks are not an issue… Or give up on using passwords and require a different authentication method, like public key authentication.
The third credential I was suggesting is just one solution […]. I’m sure much more intelligent people could come up with another solution.
It’s a bit hypocritical of me, since I mentioned smarter people than me working on something, but I feel like if you’re strongly suggesting Lemmy should be majorly reworked in this way, there’s some expectation for you to provide a solution, not just say that somebody will figure it out.
I think maybe not all apps show the automated cross-post link - I’m not seeing it right now on Jerboa. But yeah I think basically your instance checks the link against all other links it has (both local communities and federated) then it just adds cross-post links for each one, as well as a link to the new post in the old posts.
That would be the different email providers in the analogy. Each instance has its own set of communities (subreddits). But if the instances are federated with yours, then you can see the communities of those other instances
Yeah how each instance and community handles moderation is a little different, both a benefit and curse of the federated model. Lemmy.world is most “Reddit-like” in communities and moderation philosophy.
Be sure to read the community sidebar rules and instance rules you post to if you aren’t sure. Then again, people who break the written or unwritten rules tend to have the stuff removed, warned and then banned only if they don’t knock it off.
So don’t take it too hard on yourself, especially since it seems you understand their reasoning.
As a general tip, when you do actions on other servers using your lemmy.ca account, you stay on lemmy.ca and attach things at the end e.g. lemmy.ca/c/memes@sopuli.xyz or lemmy.ca/u/admin@beehaw.org. That’s how you maintain your identity without giving away your username/password directly to the other sites.
An ejabberd instance can handle 2 million concurrent users. The free software XMPP server is used by the likes of League of Legends, Fortnite, Zoom. If it’s a good enough for them, it would easily handle your community, big or small.
They come and go. They’re random clutter. We only need a few big instances that hosts a majority of the communities and that’s it. Why do we need so many smaller ones?
Seems like what a lot of people want is a hybrid of Usenet and Reddit, but what we have is more like a bunch of reddits that are willing to talk to each other. Certainly better for governance and redundancy and as a kind of organic load balancing in a cash-poor ecosystem, but the "killer app" would be (optional?) persistence of communities outside of instances.
You need to inform your instance that such a community exists. Usually, it's enough to type the URL https://kbin.social/m/OriginalDocuments into the search bar while logged in on Reddthat.
I’m a nobody, but I’m officially supporting this decision of the devs to remove karma (user score aggregates) from the API. Because karma brings on a plethora of problems¹:
It is gamification of the system. As hinted by their PR, this is not healthy.
It leads to less varied and less interesting content, due to the fluff principle.
It feeds echo chambers, by giving people yet another reason to not confront them, even when moral and sensible to do so.
It shifts the focus from the content to the people, detracting from the experience of what boils down to a bunch of forums.
It is yet another reason for people to congregate in oversized and unruly communities, instead of splitting into smaller ones.
Re-enable it at the API level and continue hiding it in Lemmy-UI if that is your personal stance on the matter.
A lot of those issues will affect negatively your user experience, regardless of you using the karma feature or not. Simply because other people use it.
And it’s also the sort of "lead acetate"² feature that makes clueless users annoy the shit out of interface developers, until they add it. “I dun unrurrstand, y u not enable karma? Y u’re app defective lol l mao” style. With app devs eventually caving in.
As such, “leave it optional” is probably a bad approach.
Considering how easy it is to spin up troll accounts or amass multiple troll accounts across multiple instances, removing a useful metric for identifying them at a glance is, IMO, irresponsible.
This is a poor argument. It has some merit in Reddit³, but not in Lemmy.
You aren’t identifying trolls by karma. You’re assuming that someone is a troll, based on a bad correlation. Plenty users get low karma for unrelated reasons (false positive - e.g. newbie user unknowingly violating some “unspoken rule” of the local echo chamber), and plenty trolls get past your arbitrary karma wall³ (false negative).
So relying on karma to decide who’s a troll is not as effective as it looks like, and it’s specially unfair to newcomers, thus discouraging the renovation of the community. IMO it’s a damn shitty moderator practice.
Since trolling is mostly an issue when you get the same obnoxious troll[s] coming back over and over and over, under new accounts, to post gaping anuses again, and mods have no way to detect if the troll came back, mods should be upstreaming this issue to the admins of the instance of their comm - because the admins likely have access to your IP⁴, and can prevent the user from creating a new trolling account every 15 days.
And, if for some reason the admins are uncaring or uncooperative, the mods should be migrating the comm to another instance.
What Lemmy needs is not to enable shitty moderation practices. It needs better mod tools to enable good moderation practices:
the context of the content being reported should be immediately obvious, no clicks needed
there should be a quick way to check all submissions/comments of a user to your community
there should be a way to keep notes about users, and share them with the rest of the mod team
some automod functionality. Such as automatically reporting (not removing!) content or replying to the user based on a few criteria defined by the mods.
e.g. #2: If someone posts a particularly toxic comment but their score is high, I’m more likely to read through their history and conclude they’re having a bad day or something. Without the score, I will not read through and likely just ban them and move on.
IMO this is also a shitty moderation practice. Should I go further on that? [Serious/non-rhetorical question.]
NOTES:1. Since this is already a huge wall of text I didn’t go deep on each of those claims, but I can do so if desired/requested. 2. It’s sweet but poisonous. 3. Because in Reddit you can’t “migrate your sub to another Reddit instance”, and the only instance there happens to be administered by arsehats who give no fucks about you or your sub. It’s a dirtier situation that warrants dirtier solutions. 4. Anecdote exemplifying this claim: from 2020~22 I had multiple trolling accounts in Reddit, to shitpost in cooking subs (for some puzzling reason they’re cesspools). Guess how many times this sort of “you need more karma to post here” barrier locked me out? Zero. It’s simply too easy to comment some shitty one-line in a big community (I used r/askreddit for that) and amass 500, sometimes 2k karma points in a single go. 5. If instance admins do not have access to the IPs of the users engaging with their instances, regardless of where they registered in, that should be fixed.
and I will not ask for the meaning of 20047 or the Englishy greenish color 😉
It’s NO in ASCII and I’m not a native English speaker… and this thing doesn’t have auto correct, underline or suggestions 😒 (Jerboa).
The correct way to share a community on Lemmy (so that apps recognize it as a Lemmy community) is with an exclamation mark, as in your last example. The search in Jerboa (as is with other apps) is broken, doesn’t work like it should. Use the web UI search on your instance, you’ll find the community.
An “instance” is a techie way of saying it’s a copy of that thing
(disclaimer: I’m not a lemmy expert, just techie.)
A Lemmy instance is just the server where accounts and set of communities lives. e.g, Lemmy.world or Lemmy.ml, etc. Each instance can “federate” content from other instances, which is a way of publishing content to servers you otherwise wouldn’t see. You can see content and communities from other instances as well as comment on those other instances even though you don’t have an account on each one.
There’s close to 30.000 communities on the Lemmyverse, most of them on servers/instances different than yours. You’re on lemmy.world, one of the most “general” instances that took on a lot of the migrating users so there’s going to be a more “reddit” style userbase there.
Check out lemmyverse.net/communities and look for other communities for your favorite topics. I’m sure you’ll find different communities with different type of users. For instance, I browse !technology from several instances. Many of those communities I don’t bother commenting in, simply because it’s not my crowd. If there’s a good post I want to discuss with likeminded people, there’s always the cross-post function.
I'm trying to contact a user on lemmy, but can't dm them (it's not clear to me if this is a bug or if dms don't work across instances or software, but either way it's not working). My next workaround would be to ping them in a microblog post, but lemmy doesn't have a microblog section. Would a lemmy user receive a notification...
I think they're specifically wondering if using @<username>@<instance> mention syntax will result in a notification popping up for the user on Lemmy.
I've been wondering that too (in the context of threads though) -- and if it does work, are there limitations regarding visibility between instances that people should be aware of. e.g. what happens if I @ someone in a post to a community on a lemmy server that is defederated from their home instance? Or, in a community that no one on their home server has subscribed to? Will they still get a notice?
I guess I don't really have a good mental model for how @ works on the Fediverse.
In fact I am an admin, and I already messaged you on Sunday to ask for evidence to back up this report and you didn’t provide any. If you could provide even a single link to CSAM posted on one of our communities, I would be happy to investigate further. But if you keep making these serious claims backed up with zero evidence then I’m just going to have to assume you are trolling. Also FYI our instance has automatic scanning and blocking of image uploads for CSAM.
Some optimization needs to be done to get better score at search engines.
i don’t think having same kind of community in multiple instances with different content is good solution.
On the first point: If we have more people, we will have more content and more visits, and search engines will rank us higher. Hard problem to solve. A bit chicken and egg. Glad you raise it.
On the second point: This really frustrated me. I had issues knowing which manga community to join. In addition, multiple instances means multiple communities and means more fragmentation. If we could bring us all together…
I honestly think we need to revive many communities related to questions, interesting topics, and overall “lets-have-a-chat-on-something” (preferably not related to what I mentioned above, or at least that touches a broader audience).
Have you subbed to the various AskLemmy/Ask[instance]/NoStupidQuestions/Out of the Loop communities across here?
To my own amusement, I found sh.itjust.works has several question communities that I tossed some posts to here & there.
Also although I haven’t sorted out what I might want to post in them, there’s these chat communities for other discussing other topics besides those you highlight getting plenty enough discussion:
I think he’s talking about similar communities from different instances. Like “books” on lemmy.world is separate from “books” on lemmy.ml. So people will end up migrating to the larger one for more users to share with. I feel like it’s not a big deal since I can subscribe to all of them while being on a single instance.
That's exactly how I wrote the community links in my original post on kbin though. i.e. the literal text I posted for the first sentence is: I was introduced to the boykisser/girlkisser meme over in !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone recently, and today the power of memes compelled me to make this. I think something is not getting translated correctly when sending the message from kbin to lemmy. Maybe kbin is converting it to a link first and then sending that to lemmy instead of the literal text of my comment?
Related to linking, is there a syntax for instance-relative post linking? (Or even just a good recommendation for how to link threads without driving people insane?)
There are lots of weird kbin/lemmy interaction quirks. For the community linking, you need to include the instance as well. So if you wanted to link the community this post is in (using lemmy syntax) it would be written as !animemes@ani.social (note that you don’t need to include linking markdown, it will automatically be parsed as a link) even if you are on ani.social.
As for bot accounts not federating, that is especially frustrating for the !episode_discussion community since it means that kbin users just see a vast desert of a community that contains zero posts.
🎶To be fair🎶 .world isn’t without it’s own problems, mostly getting DDOS’d all the time, so if you’re gonna look for an instance, I’d try to pick a lesser-known one than .world or the other big ones. Probably being a hypocrite here, since mine is arguably the biggest meme community on Lemmy right now, but I think that’ll change given time.
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I might move again. (Or not) (lemy.lol)
I moved from Lemmy.ml because I liked the name of Lemmy.world and it ran a newer Lemmy version which meant I could make communities. I moved from Lemmy.world because they defederated from piracy communities they didn’t even host (but for some reason still kept the small piracy community they DID host) From thelemmy.club...
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China is flooding Taiwan with fake news and disinformation ahead of a major election. Here’s how it’s fighting back (feddit.de)
Cross-posted from: feddit.de/post/6763982
we're still trying to figure out if they go to the same floor or not. (lemmy.eco.br)
Is Sh!tposting still anything goes? Had a Classic Art meme joke deleted as the moderator thought it was anti-abortion? It was much more about a joke and a shitty one at that. (lemmy.ca)
As the title states. I am unable to message the moderator that deleted the Post as I am not on the same fed.
venture capitalism goes brrr (feddit.de)
What is the point of small instances?
They come and go. They’re random clutter. We only need a few big instances that hosts a majority of the communities and that’s it. Why do we need so many smaller ones?
OriginalDocuments - the actual thing, without editorializing (kbin.social)
Original Documents...
Please reconsider removing user aggregate scores from the API (github.com)
Is your proposal related to a problem?...
Unix and Linux System Administration Handbook?
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What's a food you forget you like? Then you eat it, and wonder why you don't buy it more often?
This post brought to you by cucumbers.
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What are Lemmy's unwritten rules?
I’ll start. Non serious answers also welcome...
Can lemmy users see when they're mentioned in a microblog post from kbin? (kbin.social)
I'm trying to contact a user on lemmy, but can't dm them (it's not clear to me if this is a bug or if dms don't work across instances or software, but either way it's not working). My next workaround would be to ping them in a microblog post, but lemmy doesn't have a microblog section. Would a lemmy user receive a notification...
Yo, ho! Yo ho! A pirates life for me... (i.imgur.com)
cross-posted from: lemm.ee/post/15615735...
F#€k $pez (lemmy.ml)
Why? Are we not doing enough? (file.coffee)
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choose... (feddit.de)
mememaker (media.kbin.social)
It's not fair (startrek.website)
(sorry if anyone got this post twice. I posted while Lemmy.World was down for maintenance, and it was acting weird, so I deleted and reposted)