Cowbee

@Cowbee@lemm.ee

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Cowbee,

Capitalism is fundamentally hierarchy established in property rights. Doing away with hierarchy does away with Capitalism. Unless, of course, you’re arguing for Anarcho-Communism or something.

Cowbee,

Yep, that’s why decentralization is so important, and why leftist organizational structure ie decentralization and democratization of production is going to be so critical moving forward.

Cowbee, (edited )

What history? What economics? Vague gesturing and feigning superiority without actually saying anything is peak.

Edit: turns out the economics was just Sowell all along, lol. Guess we have an AnCap over here.

Cowbee,

This person had no moral guide. Past-tense!

Cowbee,

Pretty much, though Star Trek may look wildly different. There are many “good” outcomes, but none of them will be a continuation of Capitalism.

Cowbee,

Do you consider drastically improving upon previous conditions to be a miserable failure? Ignoring that Communism has never existed, and only specific forms of Marxism-Leninism have existed, and ignoring that MLism is only a fraction of all of Communist ideology, even MLism drastically improved upon previous conditions.

I’m not even close to a tankie, but I’m genuinely curious what you mean by what you’ve said.

Cowbee,

FOSS isn’t a political ideology itself, no. That’s like saying Mutual Aid or Worker Democracy aren’t political ideologies. Technically correct, but that wasn’t the point, all of those are leftist structures.

Communism is a political ideology, and I don’t think it can be globally considered fringe. Perhaps in the US, but not globally.

Cowbee,

Sure, it’s easy to get into and install for anyone used to Windows.

Cowbee,

Yes, but not in the same sense of “government sponsored bot propaganda,” and in the same sense as News and Worldnews are propaganda.

Hexbear is made up of users that genuinely seem to believe in their ideologies, rather than being sponsored by some state like others have implied.

Cowbee,

Not defending tankies, but do you think people on hexbear are paid to do so, or just have different political views? If your definition of propaganda is posting about your own specific political views, then pretty much everything is propaganda.

I could say that I think FOSS and decentralization are good principles, and that can be considered leftist propaganda.

Cowbee,

Unfortunately, the time for a better candidate was last election cycle. Incumbency advantage is too critical to give up.

That being said, voting harder won’t ever move America to the left, that has to be done at the grassroots level.

Cowbee,

Are you saying Biden caused the war in Ukraine and Trump caused $2 gas, without causing $3-4 gas today?

Do you understand that the economy has momentum that takes years to fully manifest? We don’t live in a command economy, lmao.

Cowbee,

Holy shit you’re legitimately a lunatic, to be referencing fucking WE as a source.

Either way, nothing you’ve pointed to means Trump’s terrible economic choices for short term gains and long term disaster didn’t also impact gas prices, or even the majority of the impact.

Please, keep consuming anti-science brainrot and continue to persist in your white-supremacist echo chamber. I’m sure one day you’ll hate your way into happiness!

Cowbee,

I think a lot of Marxists take sympathy with Lenin, and Lenin’s vision, they don’t necessarily like what the USSR became under Stalin. The principles of Soviet Democracy, for example, are appealing to many Lefitsts. “All power to the Soviets!”

That being said, ultimately the USSR serves as a great example of why Vanguardism can be good in overthrowing a bad system, but must be held far more accountable, or even dissolve after revolution. I know many MLs would probably shit on me for saying that, citing the CIA paper saying Stalin wasn’t a dictator, but I still think ultimately the form of government under Stalin and those who came after him is very dependent on who is in power. A more decentralized system would have checks against such issues.

My 2 cents as a leftist that isn’t an ML, but has spent time reading about the various leftist tendencies.

I’ll conclude it by saying I would have loved it if Lenin continued to live and stay in power, I wonder what the USSR would have looked like, maybe even today.

Cowbee,

You don’t actually have any points, though. Your whole thing is that “good thing bad because it hurts my feelings,” lmao.

Cowbee,

It’s a for-profit, Capitalist business that runs it, ergo its Capitalist. The user base is largely liberal, which is still pro-Capitalism. You tend to see more Anarchists and Communists on Lemmy by proportion.

Cowbee,

Lmao, none of what you just said actually meant anything, beyond you hating humanity and deepthroating Capitalist boot.

Cowbee,

Yes, so you’re proving the Communists and Socialists in this thread correct. Across all Capitalist systems, the bourgeoisie are still the ones calling the shots. Therefore, a better system would be a more decentralized, worker owned system, perhaps along the lines of Socialism or Anarchism, to reach an eventual state of Communism in the far future.

What exactly do you take issue with Socialism, Communism, and Anarchism here? You appear to be advocating for a more top-down system like Capitalism, than a bottom-up system. Your argument appears to uphold your criticism.

Cowbee,

Pretty sure that’s everyone’s ideal, across all forms of leftism, except perhaps Le Guin’s Anarchist societies she writes about.

Cowbee,

Couple things: tiered income would likely exist in early stages of Communism, and certainly in almost all forms of Socialism. Marx makes it exceptionally clear that both intense and skilled labor are represented as condensed unskilled labor.

Either way, there are examples of anti-capitalism. Chiapas and Rojava are more Libertarian Socialist. There’s also countries like Cuba, Vietnam, and Laos, who appear to be attempting to reject Capitalism still and still operating on some basis of Marxism-Leninism Socialism. China relies on Capitalism as their dominant mode of production, but claims to be Socialist by 2050, though that remains to be seen.

The nations you think of as “Communist” are typically Communist in ideology, but are building towards it through Socialism. Just as Feudalism gave way to Capitalism, so to do Marxists believe Capitalism is a necessary stage before Socialism, which is a necessary stage before Communism.

Cowbee,

Why did Napoleon take power after the French Revolution if Capitalism doesn’t have dictators every time a revolution occurs?

Cowbee,

Fair, lol

Cowbee,

Absolutely. Free flow of information without pay wall allows humanity to collectively build upon itself.

Cowbee,

It would be even nicer if Conservatives stopped being Conservatives. The Overton Window needs to be moved way more to the left.

Cowbee,

Wow, you are an awful person, lmao. You require people to remain in destitution because you anecdotally dealt with rude people? Perhaps they were rude because you’re an awful person?

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