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artvandelay, to upliftingnews in Giant kites could pull ships across the ocean – and slash their carbon emissions

Stroke! Stroke! Stroke!

Agent641,

New super-economy class of cruise ship passenger just dropped.

No money to afford a spot on the climate refugee cruise hyper-ships? Pay your way by turning the screw and paddling! Nutrient cubes included in package, so long as you stay in the tail.

rm_dash_r_star, to upliftingnews in Giant kites could pull ships across the ocean – and slash their carbon emissions
@rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee avatar

Big difference is a modern sailboat like a ketch or sloop can maintain a straight course as much as 45 degrees into the wind. A Victorian era square rigger is greatly more limited with a range about 60 degrees off either side of downwind. A kite would be even more limited, probably within 45 degrees so it would only be useful when going mostly downwind. Still if it’s cheap and easy to deploy it’s free energy when it can be used. An interesting parallel is the spinnaker sail used on a typical sailboat flies much like a kite and can only be used within a similar downwind range. It’s a very powerful sail when it can be deployed.

eestileib, to upliftingnews in Giant kites could pull ships across the ocean – and slash their carbon emissions

The trouble is that it takes decades to create an effective sail captain and crew, and it’s insanely hard dangerous work. Read some accounts of how sails were actually managed back in the day, and it’s terrifying (at least for people without a head for heights, gaaah).

baked_tea,

The good part is you can program a computer to manage the whole system, with human in the loop.

667,
@667@kbin.social avatar

Depends on the kind of sail. If they’re using any kind of spinnaker or kite sail, it requires human hands.

grue,

Maybe read the article? It’s talking about a new kind of sail that’s literally a giant kite attached at the end of a line and kept flying hundreds of feet in the air above the ship by computer control. Not a spinnaker or kite sail; something closer to a parafoil.

grue,

That’s why this is different and they aren’t talking about going back to fully-rigged sailing ships.

(Actually, who are we kidding? They couldn’t care less how hard and dangerous the work was. The real reason they like this new design because it doesn’t have masts to get in the way of loading cargo.)

DoomBot5,

To be fair, a lot of the work can be automated or remote controlled with today’s technology

Chickenstalker, to upliftingnews in Giant kites could pull ships across the ocean – and slash their carbon emissions

I have been seeing such claims since watching them on Beyond 2000 tv program in the 1990s.

Phanatik, to upliftingnews in Giant kites could pull ships across the ocean – and slash their carbon emissions

That's gonna be one giant fuck off sail to pull a cruise liner.

holycrap, to upliftingnews in Giant kites could pull ships across the ocean – and slash their carbon emissions

Ships powered by wind? It’ll never work.

oo1,

blow me! they must be tacking crazy.

LeonidasFett,

Next thing they’ll claim that the wind can be used to generate electricity. Stupid climate terrorists.

eltimablo, to upliftingnews in Giant kites could pull ships across the ocean – and slash their carbon emissions

ITT: people getting mad that someone tried modernizing an old idea in an attempt to do something good.

Aesthesiaphilia,

No one's mad, we just think it's funny

sixfold, to upliftingnews in Giant kites could pull ships across the ocean – and slash their carbon emissions
@sixfold@lemmy.sdf.org avatar
Delphia,

youtu.be/DtxUfJmbyvA

Nah my guy, think more Waterworld.

BrainisfineIthink,
@BrainisfineIthink@lemmy.one avatar

Omg patent that giant Kite design quick, you’ll make a killing!

JJROKCZ, to upliftingnews in Giant kites could pull ships across the ocean – and slash their carbon emissions

We’re re-inventing sails now are we?

Delphia,

Its honestly not a bad idea. When Sails fell out of fashion, canvas was the height of technology, nobody gave a fuck about emisions and tanker fuel was cheap AF.

If the owners of tanker/container fleets can see a $20,000 reduction a year in fuel costs by fitting a modern well designed $10,000 sail that costs $5000 a year to maintain. They will.

If multinational trillion dollar industries can find ways to save money AND go green at the same time. Good.

WarmSoda,

You’re not going to see any boats pulled by giant kites across the ocean.

bstix,

They’ve been doing just that since 2008.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Onego_Deusto

WarmSoda,

Interesting. So that one ship has done it for 15 years, and no one else huh. It must be a huge success!

bstix,

There are several others.

Its not exactly difficult to find. newatlas.com/marine/new-aden-supertanker-sails/

Maersk has also had one ship fitted with rotor sails: maersktankers.com/…/norsepower-rotor-sails-confir…

WarmSoda,

I like how you think I care enough to try finding any others

sizzler,

Why are you being toxic in a conversation about ship sails? Just check yourself for a minute.

WarmSoda,

Relax.
Besides, they’re kites. Not sails.

sizzler,

You’re a kite.

WarmSoda,

No one’s ever said that to me before… So, uh… are you, like, are you seeing anyone?

Comment105,

Yeah but the guy and the guy he talked to haven’t seen it and aren’t gonna see it because they’re not gonna go be out in the middle of the ocean looking at passing cargo ships, so he’s not really wrong

BluesF,

Doesn’t seem like the fuel savings are quite as significant as they advertise (5-15% Vs 10-35%) but still a worthwhile achievement.

Selmafudd,

Yeah how the fuck would you get the kite up initial?? And what happens if the wind dies and it lands in the water…

lud,

Yeah how the fuck would you get the kite up initial??

You could probably launch it using a airgun or something.

Selmafudd,

Yeah but what about after it hits the water. How do you dry it before loading back in?

lud,

I dunno anything about kites but maybe the wind is always strong enough up there so that it never falls.

I would suspect that a ship with these kites has an alternative method of traversal if the kite needs to dry or whatever. If that’s even a problem at all.

ConditionOverload, to upliftingnews in Giant kites could pull ships across the ocean – and slash their carbon emissions
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And horses could be used to pull platforms on 4 giant wooden wheels, that could cut carbon emissions too!

M0oP0o,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

But drastically increase plop emissions

HappycamperNZ,

Interestingly, cars were seen as cleaner due to the lack of street poop.

Something Something full circle

M0oP0o,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

The joke is people forget how bad and messy horse powered transportation was, not saying gas is great but not “oh god the shit” levels.

historic-uk.com/…/Great-Horse-Manure-Crisis-of-18… <a href=""></a>

oo1,

i've no useful comment to add, but for those who don't click

Horse carcasses therefore also had to be removed from the streets. The bodies were often left to putrefy so the corpses could be more easily sawn into pieces for removal.

amio,

Cities must've been... fragrant places, for a lot of history.

HappycamperNZ,

Give it 50 years - we will be shocked we used to walk around in streets with 100s of 1000 of little gas burning engines coming past us.

Tangent5280,

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say - yes, you’re right, but it sounds like you’re trying to say that the kites on ships is not a good idea.

M0oP0o,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

I think it was a joke about the silly reidea, but not sure where you got the take that it was a bad idea.

InLikeClint, to upliftingnews in Giant kites could pull ships across the ocean – and slash their carbon emissions
@InLikeClint@kbin.social avatar

I'm not crazy right? That's what sails are.

Twodozeneggs,

“What differentiates it from other wind solutions,” says Bernatets, “is that the wing is not just pulled by the wind and countered by the ship.” Instead, it flies in figure-of-eight loops, which multiply the pulling effect of the airflow to give what he calls “crazy power.”

“Plus, we fetch the wind 300 meters above the sea surface, where it’s 50% more powerful,” adds Bernatets. The combination “explains why the power is tremendous for a system that is very compact, simple on the bow of the ship, and can be retrofitted on any ship, not just new ships,” he says.

baked_tea,

You can as well buy what you describe for your home / industrial plant

kitepower website

TheWoozy,

Does “crazy power” provide “ludicrous speed”?

Katana314,

No, in fact they’ve been engineered to make sure that doesn’t happen. If you go to plaid way out on the ocean, it’s a horrific mess to clean up.

paysrenttobirds,

But this one’s really big

grabyourmotherskeys,

It goes to eleven (knots).

aesopjah,

Are the kites potentially a next level of efficiency for sail? Not in an overall sense, but as a supplement and in the sense that you can still design boats for maximum hauling.

Gotta wonder how much a kite would add in terms of lowering the fuel usage really though, doesn’t seem like it would make much of dent. Nor are the ships designed to take that weird force angle presumably

mookulator,

Also the kite in the photo would only be able to pull the ship as fast as the wind speed. The idea behind a proper sail is that you can go faster than the wind speed if it comes at you sideways.

KairuByte,
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This isn’t accurate. The kite is typically moving in the air, generating drag. This can easily surpass wind speed. You see the same effect in kiteboarding (both water and land varieties.)

mookulator,

Interesting. Thanks for the correction!

grue,

Gotta wonder how much a kite would add in terms of lowering the fuel usage really though, doesn’t seem like it would make much of dent.

The article says 20%. It’s even included in the excerpt copied to this thread…

Tangent5280,

Ships designs are good for a variety of strains - they’re built to get tossed around in storms after all.

Also about the sails comparison - I think the kites are retractable and redeployable, ending up with a variable, lower ship profile.

Water also has super high drag forces - it sounds efficient to counteract the constant water drag using constant air drag instead of constantly burning fuel.

bfg9k,
@bfg9k@kbin.social avatar

Reject engine

Return to Wind

BastingChemina,

Cargo ship with sails are also being developed and built.

The difference I imagine is that be a kite can be retrofitted into an existing ship. Or on a new ship without too many modifications.

CapitalismsRefugee, to upliftingnews in Supreme Court blocks $6 billion opioid settlement that would have given the Sackler family immunity | CNN Politics

What the fuck? The Supreme Court made a decision that protects American citizens? Did they misunderstand the question?

Buelldozer,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

Why is everyone so surprised? SCOTUS makes the “correct” decision quite often.

Independent Legislature Theory? Shot down.

VRA? Upheld.

Racially Biased Admission Criteria? Junked.

Indian Child Welfare Act? Upheld.

YaaAsantewaa, (edited )

AA was not racially biased, it was necessary and it still is

“After California banned race-conscious admissions in 1996, the proportions of Black and Latino students at UCLA, one of the most elite school’s in the state’s system, fell drastically. By 2006, a decade later, only 96 Black students enrolled in a freshman class of nearly 5,000. They became known as the Infamous 96.”

npr.org/…/supreme-court-affirmative-action-harvar…

Defending that is seriously messed up. Everyone agrees that AA wasn’t perfect, but it was the most effective way of diversifying student bodies. Racist Republicans got what they wanted, it’s as simple as that.

gargantuanprism, to upliftingnews in Supreme Court blocks $6 billion opioid settlement that would have given the Sackler family immunity | CNN Politics
redchlorophyll,

This goes really hard

TheMightyCanuck,
@TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works avatar

Where can I get one!!

gargantuanprism,

The seller of this shirt got a cease and desist from the sackler family lawyer and went on to make another shirt with that email exchange wherein he asked the lawyer to relay the “kill yourselves” message to his clients 🔥

So unfortunately they are unavailable forever but it looks like there are plenty of copycat sites that will print it, but probably not long sleeve or with the back graphic

Draces,

They deserve it but don’t advocate violence here please. I don’t want to see this become where that heads

weasel5053, to upliftingnews in Supreme Court blocks $6 billion opioid settlement that would have given the Sackler family immunity | CNN Politics

The one thing that can be predicted with absolute certainty is that the Sackler family is going to be fine.

Introversion, to upliftingnews in Supreme Court blocks $6 billion opioid settlement that would have given the Sackler family immunity | CNN Politics

Sounds like the Sacklers forgot to buy some vacations for SC justices.

Zorque,

There's still time, the SC blocked it so they could consider the case, not because they actually have a problem with it.

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