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Potatos_are_not_friends, to piracy in After 23 years, developer reveals he snuck a cheat code past Sony that turns a cult-classic horror game into a godsend for retro enthusiasts

To be clear, when a developer submits a finished game for publication, it’s supposed to reveal all of its cheat codes, but this particular one was never disclosed for the simple reason that Sony would’ve undoubtedly kicked it back to development for removal. Apparently, Piper isn’t too worried about letting his secret out into the wild more than two decades later.

There’s a bunch of debug/dev features hidden in production software that I stay quiet with from companies i worked for. Revealing them would probably make me unemployable. Or worse, slapped with a lawsuit.

So I’m glad this guy was probably retiring or switching careers.

Telorand,

We have lots of software that “just works” at my job, that do things the “approved” methods can’t achieve. Sometimes, you gotta do what you gotta do so you don’t wind up wasting a lot of time later.

blanketswithsmallpox,

Reveal them. I’ll give you one Christmas cookie.

WarmApplePieShrek,

Reveal them anonymously.

Hubi, to piracy in After 23 years, developer reveals he snuck a cheat code past Sony that turns a cult-classic horror game into a godsend for retro enthusiasts
@Hubi@lemmy.world avatar

Huh, I have this game and a unmodded PS1 lying around. I be sure to try this after the holidays.

9point6, (edited )

Good luck getting a copy if you don’t already have one, scalpers have already raided everywhere.

Edit: apparently the Christmas drinking has affected my reading comprehension

Still a warning for anyone else thinking the same

Hubi, (edited )
@Hubi@lemmy.world avatar

Holy fuck, I had no idea. I just checked the prices online and they are absolutely insane. Why is it so expensive? I got the game and the console for like 20 Euros about 10 years ago. It’s not in great condition though.

Edit: Oh, it’s just so expensive because of this video? That’s pretty crazy.

Norgur,

Because scalpers expected this to be in demand after the news broke and set their bots to buy every cheap copy by unknowing private sellers in order to create a oligopoly and heavily gauge pricing

JanoRis,

But isn't the whole point to play a burned copy of the game?
This seems like scalping concert tickets to a concert that allows you to copy tickets in the printer.

loutr,
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

No, the point is to use a legit copy of this game to run burned copies of other games.

BreakDecks,

Which is silly for scalpers to try to profit off of this. You may get some short-term profits, but there are plenty of ways to circumvent copy protection on PS1 that are much cheaper and easier to work with than this.

It’s also seemingly just an experiment that a dev decided to sneak into the game, so there’s no guarantee that the loaded game will actually play reliably.

I’ll wait for the hype to cool off and some real data about performance to exist before I consider buying it.

9point6,

Oh yeah, this is a bubble, but fwiw, there should be minimal compatibility issues possible from my understanding as this is essentially the change disk mechanism we see in several games, but without the check that the correct disk has been inserted. Of course there’ll be edge cases (and I’m gonna imagine there might be some late stage additional copy protection in some games that doesn’t rely on the boot up checks), but on hardware as simple as the playstation it’s going to be pretty much: if you’re running the executable, you’re running the game as if it’s passed the checks

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

No, the legit copy of the game allows you to play pirated copies of other games. It bypasses the piracy check in the console and allows you to swap discs to a pirated copy of whatever other game you want.

Fiivemacs,

Loads emulator and laughs.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

While I agree, there are entire communities built around retro consoles. But that also means legit copies of retro games can be difficult to come by.

themeatbridge,

Sure, but at these prices, it’s less expensive to get a modded PS1.

IWantToFuckSpez, (edited )

The price is only high because the scalpers set the price that high. Whether they can find a seller is another question.

This like when a penny stock suddenly jumps up because one idiot bought it at a high price when supply was low.

yamanii,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Reminds me of cube ninja at the beginning of the 3DS homebrew.

roguetrick, to movies in Henry Cavill's Highlander reboot is moving forward with John Wick director at the helm

Cavill is such a goddamn nerd.

TheDarkKnight,

In the best possible sense

Wrench,

I’m honestly a bit conflicted about discovering this is a thing. My gut reaction is that highlander the series does not need a reboot. Leave it be.

But Henry Cavill? I could actually see that work. The immortal characters will need much more fleshed out back stories for today’s standards, but damn, I can’t believe I’m actually curious about a highlander reboot.

Edit - ugh. Just realized this was a reboot for the movie. Meh. Not enough time to develop and interesting world with intertwined immortal histories with complex alliances.

Anticorp,

If anything, movies have less backstory today than back then, not more. They jump right into the action, foregoing character and plot development.

Surdon,

I think that’s the real problem, they often shove tragic, supposedly heavy backstories on us with no time devoted to actually developing it and giving them weight- we are TOLD to care, instead of given actual reason to. If the movie can’t invest in their backstory, why should I?

CoderKat,

Yeah, over time, I’ve come to care a lot less for movies. For most things, I’d rather have a TV show so that there’s more time to get invested in characters and do world building. Plus more bite sized viewing sessions.

Modern TV has such high production values that movies have lost their biggest competitive edge. Plus showrunners have more options for how to perform the show. No longer do shows need to be bloated with far too many episodes. Public opinion has also changed, so they don’t even try to get away with bullshit like clip episodes anymore (mind you, those were mostly for sitcoms in the first place). Streaming has also made shows more accessible than ever.

Obi,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

I like movies that really tell you that one story in a way only a movie can (not sequels of sequels etc), but I hear you for a lot of genres.

Statlerwaldorf,

I don’t understand why today’s standards require background for everything. We don’t get Ripley’s backstory in Alien and it’s not needed. Even in Aliens, we only get her backstory (her having/outliving a daughter) in service of the plot and themes.

I hate being forced to sympathize with characters because of their tragic backstory. Why not write a compelling character through their actions? Tight plots with no filler are where it’s at for action movies.

themeatbridge, to movies in Henry Cavill's Highlander reboot is moving forward with John Wick director at the helm

If there was one actor that would get me psyched for a Highlander reboot, it’s Cavill. I wonder if he can do a better Scottish accent than Lambert…

NaibofTabr,

OK, but who is going to replace Sean Connery?

toiletobserver,

Gary oldman

hydrashok,

Gerard Butler or Ewan McGregor

ScrollerBall,

Better question: who could possibly replace Clancy Brown?

themeatbridge,

Nobody can replace Clancy Brown. Just give him the role again.

mycatiskai,

Maybe Lambert?

scottywh,

I think that would be great personally.

coffee_poops,

Maybe an actual Spaniard?

CitizenKong,

I vote for Pedro Pascal, but only if he does a Scottish accent.

themeatbridge,

Or an Egyptian.

MolochAlter,

Get Pedro Pascal for the love of christ

mihnt,
@mihnt@lemmy.world avatar

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  • SatansMaggotyCumFart,

    How about Danny DeVito.

    pyrflie,

    You can and I will respect you for it.

    pendulum_,
    @pendulum_@lemmy.world avatar

    “Hmmmm.”

    themeatbridge,

    Fuck.

    dutchkimble,

    So what you’re saying is, there can be only one

    TedZanzibar, to piracy in After 23 years, developer reveals he snuck a cheat code past Sony that turns a cult-classic horror game into a godsend for retro enthusiasts

    This reminds me of working for a UK developer back in the PS2 days. From what I remember, one of the coders there wrote a tool that enabled the comparatively cheap QA test kits that would only boot from a CD/DVD to appear to dev PCs as full blown dev kits (that cost 4 or 5 times the price) and boot code pushed to them over the network.

    They didn’t have as much memory or processing grunt so there was still need for a few proper dev kits, but it saved them a fortune in hardware costs. Pretty sure it was an open secret that Sony reluctantly allowed, and most of the UK dev studios were using it at one point.

    tetris11, (edited ) to baldurs_gate_3 in Baldur's Gate 3 player decodes the Infernal writing tattooed on Karlach's horn and finds a cruel reminder of her backstory
    @tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

    Direct link to source: reddit.com/…/i_finally_figured_out_what_is_writte…

    Note that no real proof or breakdown is actually given.

    This is an article reporting on absolutely nothing.

    Bbbbbbbbbbb, (edited )

    For those wondering, someone translated this from the Infernal scribed on her horn.

    “My champion, the Demonsbane. My blood is her strength!”

    Karlach also has Zariel tattooed on her body among other things.

    www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/…/kaiigcv/

    tetris11,
    @tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

    Where’s the proof, though?

    Jorgelino, (edited )

    It’s Infernal. The language is detailed in the adventure module Descent Into Avernus. You can also just find the infernal alphabet on the forgotten realms wiki. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/a/ab/Infernal_script.jpg/revision/latest/thumbnail/width/720/height/900?cb=20230711053323

    That is to say that it’s very possible to translate it. Now as to whether OP’s translation is accurate or not, i have no idea, cause i have better things to do than read fake text out of an NPCs horn.

    tetris11,
    @tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

    Wow, thanks for the follow up

    Fades, (edited )

    OP posts lots of articles that have little substance to many subs, not surprised in the least

    To be fair though, they do post a lot of quality too. Seems they should slow down and read what they post a little more carefully

    stopthatgirl7,
    @stopthatgirl7@kbin.social avatar

    I read the article. I read everything I post first.

    But don’t worry. I won’t waste your time by posting here anymore.

    LyingCake,

    Girl was stopped

    metallic_z3r0,

    You can waste my time by posting here, I’ve seen many of your contributions and I greatly appreciate your efforts. I don’t usually say anything though. That other guy can fuck off.

    papalonian,

    A lot of people have been hyper critical about the content people have been posting, and even more upset when it’s one person posting a lot. I don’t know where they expect to get content from.

    stopthatgirl7,
    @stopthatgirl7@kbin.social avatar

    Especially since the people who seem to complain the most never post anything themselves.

    PrincessLeiasCat, to piracy in After 23 years, developer reveals he snuck a cheat code past Sony that turns a cult-classic horror game into a godsend for retro enthusiasts

    Not all heroes wear capes.

    ULS, to piracy in After 23 years, developer reveals he snuck a cheat code past Sony that turns a cult-classic horror game into a godsend for retro enthusiasts

    Kinda fitting to have resurrection in the game title!

    ThePantser, to movies in Henry Cavill's Highlander reboot is moving forward with John Wick director at the helm
    @ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

    If they get rid of the theme song I will never forgive them. But most likely we will get a cover by some popstar.

    echoplex21,

    It will definitely be an edgy subtle orchestral version of it during the climax of the movie. You’ll love every second of it

    Anticorp,

    It better not be!

    NESSI3,

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  • ThePantser,
    @ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

    I do like BB version of the song but it’s too old to be used in a new movie. It has to be the OG version or a new cover to be used in a new movie, that’s been the formula.

    someguy3, (edited ) to piracy in After 23 years, developer reveals he snuck a cheat code past Sony that turns a cult-classic horror game into a godsend for retro enthusiasts

    How exactly can a code on a game affect the system itself?

    Serinus,

    The PS disc copy protection is only checked when the system is booted. You can load one legit disc and swap it live for a burned disc, but it’s difficult because the disc is spinning the whole time.

    This cheat code on a legit disc just stops the disc from spinning for a short time, allowing you to much more easily swap to the copy.

    WarmApplePieShrek,

    Can you install a switch in line with the disc motor so it stops spinning or does that trigger an error?

    affiliate,

    i don’t really know, but an educated guess is that it has to do with how old the console is, and how micro optimized/hacky things had to be at the time. for example, morrowind would reboot your xbox during loading screens. there was probably quite a lot more control given to developers in the olden days, whereas now things are more sandboxed. but i would be happy to be corrected on anything i’ve said here.

    Takumidesh, (edited )

    youtu.be/uRB7iUCX4KQ?si=4tJcrjmnaSSRfdyf

    This video does a great job explaining how it works.

    It has to do with system calls for stopping the disc that multi disc games would use.

    Edit: I’m a dummy and didn’t realize this video was posted in the op.

    someguy3, (edited )

    “There’s been great tricks that [Xbox] taught us,” Howard said. “My favorite one in Morrowind is, if you’re running low on memory, you can reboot the original Xbox and the user can’t tell. You can throw, like, a screen up. When Morrowind loads sometimes, you get a very long load. That’s us rebooting the Xbox. That was like a hail Mary.”

    That’s interesting but that’s still in that one game. This thing sounds like it allows you to play burned roms forever afterwards, which means it really affects the system itself.

    mateomaui,

    It’s essentially the same as using a boot cd before using a copied game, which also was a thing then.

    consolecopyworld.com/psx/psx_utils_bootcd.shtml

    andrew_bidlaw,
    @andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

    As I understand it, it has lax checks if all disks are original. Some games required many, Pt.1 was on one, Pt.2 was on another, and a memory card sewed this monstrosity together whenever you switch disks - as it had no HDD, no install options.

    Designing a game around that was hard and probably meant frequent checks, delays, and also a player having incomplete game if only one disk is missing or scratched if they want to play again - and you swapped them back and forth. So that dev implemented zero-check on a second disc after the first one is checked, a command to kill a game and start anew, and with that you can put whatever you burnt on your CD, leaving the console clueless it’s not your actual disk 2. It still needs you to boot with original Aliens first and put code, so it’s not exactly stealing anything directly, but oh god it’s an interesting vulnerability.

    I haven’t heard of something akin to that, besides weird cartridge combos on old consoles where you put one into another or other heresy like plug-in cartridge readers, hardware extenders, etc. It seems Sony was convinced the first check is there, and it’s ok, but never thought you can abuse it up that great, and had no further investigation was put.

    For a console that aged, that had hardware jailbreaks and emulators for years, I don’t feel they’d hurt him now. Twenty years is too much even for them. They’d still sell mini-PS1 without any problem as it has no disk reading capabilities and won’t care.

    kn0wmad1c, (edited )
    @kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

    When Playstation reads a disc, it looks for a special sequence on the disc that tells the Playstation “hey, this is a Playstation game. You should load it.”

    That sequence is proprietary and isn’t on burned copies of games. This is anti-piracy protection, and makes sense from a monetary standpoint.

    When you put Alien: Resurrection in the console, which has that sequence, the Playstation is told that “hey, this is a real Playstation game. You should load it.” The game loads, then you can put in the cheat, which tells the game to stop loading from the disc momentarily while another disc is loaded (think “please insert disc 2 from final fantasy”). At this point, you can pop in your burned copy of the game, then press a button to continue loading from disc, at which point the game tells the system “hey, this new guy is with me. Let him through”, and the Playstation loads the new game from the disc.

    Iamsqueegee, to movies in Henry Cavill's Highlander reboot is moving forward with John Wick director at the helm

    Oooh! Which Scotsman will they get to play a Spaniard?

    Zorque,

    *Egyptian posing as a Spaniard

    Default_Defect,
    @Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

    “What is haggis?” he said, Scottishly.

    ZombiFrancis,

    The greatest casting ever made can never be replicated.

    Subverb,

    Worse: Mickey Rooney as a Japanese man in Breakfast at Tiffany’s

    As bad: John Wayne as Genghis Khan in The Conqueror

    ZombiFrancis,

    Oh those are definitely worse.

    But Connery, playing an Egyptian pretending to be a Spaniard while also being the only one with a recognizeable Scottish accent amidst a an entire cast of non-Scottish people playing Scots? That was something special.

    Subverb,

    Oh I agree. Fun movie and character though.

    No worse than a Russian submarine captain with a Scottish accent though. 🤣

    AGD4, to baldurs_gate_3 in Baldur's Gate 3 player traps themselves in Hell by casting Silence on the Devil himself

    Man, that takes me back to the unforgiving text adventure games of yore. A simple screw up in any of the early Sierra titles, or Zork or even the Hugo titles, will condemn you to an unwinnable game without telling you.

    TheFonz, to movies in Henry Cavill's Highlander reboot is moving forward with John Wick director at the helm

    HERE WE AAAAAAREEEEE!

    Tippon,

    BORN TO BE KINGS!

    TallonMetroid,
    @TallonMetroid@lemmy.world avatar

    WE’RE THE PRINCES OF THE UUNIVERSE!

    fluxion, to movies in Henry Cavill's Highlander reboot is moving forward with John Wick director at the helm

    I’m sold

    stephfinitely, to movies in Henry Cavill's Highlander reboot is moving forward with John Wick director at the helm

    I didn’t know I wanted this until this moments.

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