Can we make c/politicalmemes and keep this sort of content there? It’s clearly a point of division in the community, we should be more accommodating for apolitical folks.
There’s no such thing as ‘apolitical’. The very idea of leaving politics to our superior politicians is what brought us and keeps us in this state.
This is not at all a political issue however. This is about not being a trash human being. Being racist is not a political opinion, it’s spreading hatred in the world and being a waste of skin.
I’m not arguing for or against of what the post says, I’m only saying that the designated place for funny cat pictures is probably not the right place for a meaningful discussion, sharing opinions, education or anything else but funny cat pictures.
When i browse c/memes I want to see easily digestible posts that will make me exhale through my nose, not deep, thought provoking walls of text.
If you think this post is deep and thought provoking then I don’t know what to tell you. It just makes fun of american conservatives and that’s it. This post is literally just “conservatives dumb”, as easily digestible as I’ve ever seen.
Comrade, we all know lead poisoning and the need for safety gear are capitalist propaganda! Now, get back in the mines! Production must increase 50% this year, and your state-appointed union representative says it can!
Capital successfully fought to put lead into American’s blood and lungs for a century after it was known to be poison. To this day they’re still fighting to keep it there.
What is it with these commie types that they believe communism will leave everyone to become hippies who can do whatever they want and all required resources just magically arrive when they need.
It really is watching children believe in Santa Claus
They I have good or bad news for you, depending on your stance. We don’t. You may, depending on the company which you work for, but generally speaking most people don’t.
Yes, yes, YES. Capitalism is evil, pitchfork and torches! Reality check: Capitalism is also the very big reason why you have a computer on your desk or in your hands in the shape of a phone to write about the evils of capitalism. Capitalism is at its core about the freedoms to share and acquire resources in the most efficient way possible. Does it have big BIG problems with runaway effects where a single person can suddenly pheewwww shoot into the sky and start resource hogging? Absolutely. Should that be legally limited and curbed? Absolutely! Is that currently done well? Absofuckinglutely not!
But none of that means that “communism will save us”. Dear god, please please don’t be THAT naive, don’t believe in santa claus.
If you want to spend your free time in a commune to help hippies or whatever it is that you want to do, I applaud you. Seriously, well done. But you WILL have to work for a home. You WILL have to work for food, and that computer you have in your hand to curse the evils of capitalism. And you have to work so that when we all do that, that resources get moved over the world so that the farmer gets his equipment that he needs to farm the grains that he sends to a supermarket that gets bought by a baker which you then buy in the shape of a bread loaf… We all work together.
Again, is there a shit tonne of abuse going on? Of course. Nobody denies that. Is that abuse being curbed? Nope. Should we hang the ultra rich that have been abusing this system? Nah, lets not hang people. I’m not for violence. But should we tax them 100% of their income until their posessions are within a reasonable range? Absolutely.
But communism is not the answer, please learn some history about the “successes” (meaning ALL failures, no exceptions) of comnunism. Read about the famines, the suppression, the torture, the corruption and the crap that comes with that to make it work. I like my freedom. I don’t need piles of cash and people generally should not be allowed to have piles. You do that with laws and taxing and enforcing. Lets focus on that instead.
Look, capitalism clearly does not work. Everything Marx and Lenin ever wrote about capitalism has come true. It is destroying our world more and more every day. Whatever you might say about communism, we do not know for a fact that it will ruin the lives of everybody, involved or not. No matter how bad you might claim communism is, it isn’t the thing that’s currently destroying our societies. So it is by definition better than capitalism.
You must have read the instance wrong of who you’re replying to. What’s with all of this I don’t believe anything being said anywhere crap… why even go on the internet and talk to anybody? You might as well be role playing in a chat some where.
With the major news going on right now there’s tons of people that don’t believe anything being said. Even if there’s photos and videos showing what they’re saying they don’t believe. It’s mind boggling.
What evidence do you need of anything sitting at a keyboard and not doing anything about anything though? I just don’t understand any of the arguments going on between people that aren’t going to do anything about anything other than typing on a damn keyboard.
Up untill Davel, every single user I got a reply from relating to stuff I said on that thread was either a Hexbear or Lemmygrad user and every user since Davel has been aswell.
What you said was that they were “coming after you”
I’m just making the point of stating that my conversation with you has not been “aggressive” nor has it mentioned the topic at hand. And I’m from hexbear.
I just mean that usually when I say something controversial, the people arguing against that are from all over the place, but in this case the opposition seems to be coming from these two instances almost exclusively. Even in this thread, that’s been posted on lemmy.ml there’s still a disproportionate amount of Hexbear users replying. I can’t say for certain, but it sure feels like they’re looking for me rather than just stumbling across this post.
Lol I browse All, I see a thread with lots of comments, I drop in. Nobody’s looking for you, get over yourself. Take the L. Sit out your 30 days and ply your debate pervert shit somewhere else in the meantime, the Internet is a huge place.
I’m not sure what that community would even be. I’m not interested about being surrounded by bunch of yes-men. I want my community to call me out on my bullsht because I’m going to do the same for them.
Well not really. Mostly people are just being mean and/or saying I’m wrong but no one is trying to change my mind. When I made the first post that got me banned I had just woken up and had only skimmed thru the news, but the more time passes and I look into it the more comfortable I feel with my original conclusion. At the moment it seems almost certain that it indeed was a malfuncioning Hamas rocket shot from Gaza strip and there’s plenty video evidence to back that up.
Proof you haven’t even done the first iota of investigation into the federations you talk the MOST shit about; as if you did, you’d see half the time we’re locking horns with each other over who’s got the materially correct line. No investigation, no right to speech.
We’re active in political threads since we’re both explicitly leftist instances (grad is ML, Hexbear is leftist of different stripes). Hexbear doesn’t have down votes so if we see something we disagree with, we say something. There’s not really a ‘downvote and move on’ mentality, so you’re likely to get multiple users replying to a post.
Yesterday, at 7:00 PM, Al Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza, which is our partner in the Diagnostic Cancer Treatment Center, was hit by two Israeli rockets. Fortunately, the extent of the damage was limited.
Today, the hospital has received orders from Israeli authorities to evacuate the facility, including patients, staff, and 3,000 Gazan people who have sought shelter within the hospital’s premises.
We call the international community and all humanitarian organizations to take action to prevent the evacuation orders for Al Ahli Arab Hospital and the other 22 hospital, as this action poses a significant risk to the lives of numerous patients.
here is a 2014 article regarding Israel bombing hospitals
The third floor of the Al-Aqsa hospital in Deir al-Balah was struck by Israeli shelling, killing four people and wounding dozens, according to the Gaza Ministry of Health spokesperson.
“Today’s attack on the Al-Aqsa hospital is the latest in a series of attacks on and near medical facilities in Gaza, which have been struggling to cope with thousands of injured people since the Israeli offensive began on 8 July,” said Philip Luther, Director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme at Amnesty International.
I don’t mind a disagreement. Not at all. Infact I enjoy a good debate as long as both parties are doing it in good faith. This thread isn’t about that.
My suspicion lies with the entity which has air supremacy and has been dropping shitloads of bombs already. It’s not surprising that people like you will contort into any position which suits your interests.
I see more and more toxic behaviour here. I get that this war/conflict gets to us. And everyone has strong opinions and the debate is emotional. But it reminds me more of the toxic atmosphere that used to be part of Twitter.
I suppose the mods of political communities are having a bad day since the conflict escalated. And they are part of the debate, sometimes maybe making their decisions emotional, instead of neutral and based on reason alone. I -personally- think a 30-day is a lot, even if it is spreading misinformation. But I didn’t have a look at the facts here.
Judging by your comments in general, you seem quite an argumentative person. I usually don’t like people focusing on negativity and (for example) debunking a single argument out of a post and then concluding they’re right and someone else is entirely wrong. It leads to us having unproductive and stressful conversations, once we manoeuvre ourselves to opposing sides that lose the ability to communicate productively and grasp the bigger picture and the context that things are set in.
So. Please whoever is in the right or wrong, make Lemmy a nice place and not a clone of the toxicity and argumentativeness on Twitter. And don’t yell at people too much.
OP, please be aware you’re often a very argumentative person and a big part of your way of talking to people is opposing them.
please be aware you’re often a very argumentative person
I’m well aware of that. It’s the reason I’m on Lemmy on the first place. I love a good, long debate but I still try and be polite and listen to the counter-arguments and engage with what people are saying instead of attacking them as a person.
Judging by the comments here, I’d say it isn’t working. (That doesn’t mean it’s necessarily your fault at this point.)
All I want to say is: You and the people outright attacking you here are setting the tone of the conversation. I don’t feel entitled to lecture anyone on how to spend their time on the internet. For me, this thread is too toxic and not my vision of what Lemmy should be like.
Unfortunately, the really toxic people have arrived here, targeting you and spreading hate. I don’t think this going to become a productive conversation after that. And I really don’t have good advice here. I’m going to flag the comments that are hatred and then I’m out. I’m going to focus on some more productive things somewhere else. I wish you the best. Hope Lemmy strives to become a space for diverse opinions, constructive debate and not hatred and small-mindedness.
B-but I just want to have a civil debate about why genocide is ok, why won’t anyone be nice to me? Wyahhhhh, such toxicity! People are so small minded if they can’t accept ethnic cleansing :(
There’s a user in this thread calling us the genocide deniers while Israel unceasingly and unrepentantly destroys Gaza and its people. Like. No self awareness. No historical awareness. Just ‘Oh I have a more nuanced view of the situation’. Nuance my fucking gooch.
Dudes, Duderinas and people from all around… While I said something in the meta-debate here, I’m not engaging in the underlying argument. What are you trying to accomplish here? The people you are talking about are suffering horrible atrocities. All you can think about is hating on each other on the internet… (There has to be a better way to deal with the situation.)
Social sanction has been a part of human community dynamics since we first progressed past grunts and gestures; and you’re gonna ask a sealioning question like that.
It’s only ever the whites going to bat for Israel’s commission of genocide, too-- why? Because what Israel’s doing is 1:1 with what the colonizer pilgrims did to America. So no, I am never going to support that; because given my way, my lineage NEVER would’ve been stolen by crackers in the first place. I’d rather still fuckin be Afrikan than have to be lumped in with these murderous settlers.
Lemmy isn't a place for debates and arguments. If you don't follow the direction of the topic, don't bother inserting yourself into the conversation.
You need to be nice and supportive of whatever is posted, else you're going to have a bad time.
Read their code of conduct and you'll find that it's a moderator's discretion to ban anyone they believe is disruptive, regardless of the rules.
So unless a moderator goes on a deranged banning binge, you're automatically in the wrong.
If you can't accept that, i suggest you make your own instance, with blackjack and hookers.
From their point of view, only you think there's something to be solved.
A major point of federization is not having to deal with the undesirable rabble. To have your own little slice of the internet where everybody gets along.
You don't get along, so you don't belong. Instead, you are very welcome to find or make an instance where you do belong and can engage in conversations freely.
Lemmy's solution is to make the problem go away, which is why in its eyes, there is nothing to solve.
I think the idea that this is a negative but to me it is not. If a domain or magazine is run poorly then folks then I don't want to go to it. I just want the individual ability to block at all levels working well and would love it both ways. I learned my lesson from mmo's. A completely horrible cesspit of a chat can become pretty decent with just a dozen or so blocks. People who block everyone on a whim. Well thats great as I doubt their discourse is going to be beneficial. folks that don't ban even though someones pushing the line will be rewareded with a richer experience.
This seems straightforward. You posted your opinion (which is inherently true - no one but you has access to your inner mind, so we must take it on faith you are honestly presenting your opinion to us) and the mod misrepresented this as fact so it could be labeled as misinfo.
But I doubt posting here will fix that. Mostly what you seem to have managed is to attract genocide supporters from Hexbear to troll you. As I understand it, the best way you can handle this on Lemmy is to simply find similar threads on a different instance to engage in discourse in.
‘Genocide supporters’ you crackers have supported Israel’s commission of apartheid for 30+ YEARS but let someone pipe up that it’s wrong and they’re the genocide supporter. Please go fly yourself by your ankles; you don’t deserve your humanity.
There unfortunately is no system in Lemmy (atm) to do this smoothly. When I was on lemmy.world, I used their system they had set up separately and that worked well, but for most instances, the only process to do something like that is to DM an admin directly, which will of course have greatly varied results, and that’s if the admin isn’t supportive of the abusive mod in the first place.
If you scroll through the community bans of World News@lemmy.ml, you’ll see there’s a mod going crazy handing out months long bans for having the wrong opinion on the current conflict. Mods aren’t beholden to anyone but themselves, so if that’s how they want to mod then that’s how it’s going to be. Thankfully, Lemmy has hundreds of communities discussing the conflict so you might find better mods in one of those communities.
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