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adonis, to RedditMigration in Did Karma really matter that much in Reddit?
@adonis@kbin.social avatar

I was a karma-whore, now that Reddit is dead, I'm just a slut.

W1ldW1ngs,
@W1ldW1ngs@kbin.social avatar

here's an extra up doot

Motecuhzoma,

Here, have some internet points you slut

adonis,
@adonis@kbin.social avatar

ohh yeaaaah.... mhhhmmm... grlgrlgrlgrlgrl

athos77, (edited ) to RedditMigration in Does anyone regret deleting their Reddit account?

14 years, 17 accounts, ~2000000 karma. Nuked everything: deleted comments and submissions, de-modded myself, unsubbed from everything, gilded various protest content using the coins I'd been given over the years, bought a cool Apollo app t-shirt, walked out and walked away. Nope, don't miss it; I'm exploring kbin and tildes, and getting my meme content from imgur. Which is ironic in a way, because the sole reason imgur was created was because reddit refused to allow native images.

Are you having regrets? It's okay to have regrets.

Lemmyfunbun,

What is kbin and tildes?

TelKaivokalma,
@TelKaivokalma@kbin.social avatar

Always weird to read comments like this while on Kbin. Kbin is another "threadiverse" instance. Like Lemmy or whatever.

LegendofDragoon,
@LegendofDragoon@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, it becomes so second nature that I'm on kbin that it's a weird kind of dissonance, like someone asking what's Reddit on Reddit.

EnglishMobster,
@EnglishMobster@kbin.social avatar

I love everyone always saying "Lemmy, what's XYZ?" or whatever not realizing there's a good chunk of people not on Lemmy.

It does get annoying when I see Lemmy-specific questions in my feed, though.

Very_Bad_Janet,

Kbin is a part of the Fediverse and is similar to Lemmy. I have a kbin.social account and am replying to you from kbin. (I subscribe to a lot of Lemmy communities via kbin).

Tildes is not a part of the Fediverse. It is a text-driven private forum basically created and run by one person. You need an invite from a Tildes account holder to join. It's its own little island. am on Tildes a lot and really like it.

Openminded-skeptic,

Isn't the founder of Tildes a former Reddit admin with a pretty well-known account? Or am I remembering that wrong?

Amongog,
@Amongog@kbin.social avatar

Kbin is a different software than Lemmy, although similar.
It has only been around a few months (unlike lemmy that has years in development).

It offers what seems to me a more centralized view of the fediverse, with federation to lemmy servers and mastodon servers as well.

It has access to the microblogging feature, that is like sending a toot from mastodon.

I've found it to be a more familiar experience to Reddit, and honestly, I prefer it over lemmy.

Due to it being so new, it has many missing features lemmy might have, like mobile apps (the API is still not public, and it's being worked on).

HOWEVER, Kbin has a great community backing it up.
I'm currently posting this from the amazing Artemis beta app for Kbin, the first of its kind.
This is due to the incredible job @Hariette has done!!

readbeanicecream, to AskKbin in So why do you perfer Kbin over Lemmy?
@readbeanicecream@kbin.social avatar

Came for the UI. Stayed for the granular settings (including turning federation on and off) and the content just seemed higher quality (though that is very subjective)

numbscroll,
@numbscroll@kbin.social avatar

Which UI?

ETA: asking since people will see this across the fediverse, and may not realize where you posted this

readbeanicecream,
@readbeanicecream@kbin.social avatar

@numbscroll Good point. Kbin.

@SamXavia

Jaywarbs,

Just the mobile website works pretty well by itself. I’m using the Artemis beta now and I like it a lot too.

numbscroll,
@numbscroll@kbin.social avatar

I can’t wait for Artemis!

dandan,
@dandan@kbin.social avatar

Hi from Artemis 🫡

It's pretty great.

numbscroll,
@numbscroll@kbin.social avatar

🥹

SamXavia,
@SamXavia@lemmy.world avatar

Fair enough, I seem to find it confusing as of the moment but I’ll give it a proper go to see if I prefer it in the end.

HidingCat,

How is it confusing? I've tried both and neither were hard to use, I purely picked Kbin for aesthetics.

be_excellent_to_each_other, to RedditMigration in Does anyone regret deleting their Reddit account?
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

I deleted a 10+ year old account a couple of years ago. The accounts I deleted when the ruckus started were those I'd been using since then.

That 10 year old account a couple years ago bugged me awhile because I had the conceit that anyone at all on Reddit recognized my name or cared what I had to say. Eventually I got over that.

As a result, I felt almost no sting from wiping and deleting the younger ones. Maybe 5 minutes of feeling a little weird about it until I realized I'd given up exactly nothing.

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

@be_excellent_to_each_other I follow you now :) +1 karma hhehe

be_excellent_to_each_other,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

Aw thanks!

LegendofDragoon,
@LegendofDragoon@kbin.social avatar

I do feel like I recognize people here more probably because of the avatars. I see you around a lot, and I recognize Nepenthe, catch 42, and otomechan based on their avatars.

Funnily enough I always think you're Ernest for half a second before I realize I've done it again.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

Hah I could see how the avatar is similar at first glance. :-)

vsp, to RedditMigration in Haven't touched reddit since July 1st
@vsp@lemmy.world avatar

I’m still grieving the Reddit that was.

Now, I’m excited for the threadiverse that could be.

Halogen2744,
@Halogen2744@kbin.social avatar

It hurts to lose everything we had, but leaving is the only way to have better platforms in the future.

Chariotwheel,

It's also not that bad. Most okder users went through plenty of online communities.

Halogen2744,
@Halogen2744@kbin.social avatar

True enough. I'm just a young lad who grew up in the age of social media centralization, so this is my first real platform migration.

Candelestine, to RedditMigration in now that i don't have a reddit account, i guess i can tell you guys about secret communities

There’s shitloads of secret communities everywhere. Discord is particularly popular. The reason they exist is that average people are only averagely intelligent and averagely interested in most topics, so if you want a higher level of content than average, you have to go where they can’t find you.

When a dance club is cool, nobody knows about it. When everyone finds out about it, those cool people go somewhere else. Being cool, itself, implies being something different enough from normal to necessitate its own word to differentiate it. Think hipster.

Average people made McDonalds the worlds most successful restaurant. Not everybody wants to live on big macs though. But on the internet, where the users control the content, they find your cool burger place and accidentally turn it into a McDonalds because they don’t know the difference.

In my experience, most people outgrow the secret clubs phase eventually. But I’m sure not everyone does. Who doesn’t like feeling special, no matter how unjustified it is?

BananaTrifleViolin,

Yes and no. Invite only clubs risk become extreme echo chambers because they self select their members. Arguably much of social media often becomes echo chambers as people self select what they want to see. But if you then add in secret invite only clubs you're creating echo chambers within echo chambers.

Beware the alure of exclusivity, it can be false gold.

mysoulishome,
@mysoulishome@lemmy.world avatar

Eternity club was all boring selfies and what’s you’re favorite movie and shit.

Wolf_359,

Popular club sucked too.

I got added to it for a top post once. I opened the popular subreddit and the top post was something like, “Well, I’m here. Now what?”

I knew immediately it was dumb.

I think “secret” communities can be good when they’re for a specialized interest. But they don’t even have to be secret. Even just niche is great.

For example, the discord for the game PolyBridge is fucking incredible. I mean, it kind of sucks right now because they just released PolyBridge 3, so a lot of new people have (temporarily) joined.

But there are regulars who post hourly years after PolyBridge releases. There is even this one person called Arglin who posts absurdly complex essays on geometry and new discoveries within the game. They could be dissertations on mathematics.

If anyone is still reading this, I have to tell you about the Linkage Repository. This document is insane. For an Indie studio’s bridge building game lol.

original2,

i understand that sentiment, but making a successful reddit post isn’t the best way of finding people of above-average intelligence

flicker,

The first thing I said when invited to Eternity Club was a Groucho Marx quote; I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.

Gargleblaster,
@Gargleblaster@kbin.social avatar

I joined several of those clubs just to see what was happening.

They were all the same thing. Cat pics, personal photos, and inane discussions.

And then left.

cassetti,

In my experience, most people outgrow the secret clubs phase eventually. But I’m sure not everyone does. Who doesn’t like feeling special, no matter how unjustified it is?

** looks around at the Free Masons, Skull and Bones, and Illuminati **

Awwab, to RedditMigration in Did Karma really matter that much in Reddit?
@Awwab@kbin.social avatar

I used the top karma holders lists to remove their posts from my feed since it was usually people posting the same thing in multiple subs. I would often have only a few posts before the marker for page 2 would show up.

Jajcus, to RedditMigration in Instead of deleting your Reddit account, consider using chatgpt to make comments instead

Then people who still prefer Reddit to Lemmy could do the same to us and would be totally justified. Do not make internet even worse than it is now. You don't like a service – don't use it. Do not make it worse for everybody else.

Jon-H558,

bot wars and internet dies

lemonflavoured,
@lemonflavoured@kbin.social avatar

This does make me think you could almost write a Terminator like story as an allegory for bots taking over the Internet.

lvxferre,
@lvxferre@kbin.social avatar

Then people who still prefer Reddit to Lemmy could do the same to us and would be totally justified.

There's a big difference: unlike Reddit, Lemmy and Kbin aren't actively pissing off the people who manage the place.

Do not make internet even worse than it is now.

That means not leaving your content in Reddit, where it'll attract more people to drop their content there, only to be erased in the future. Because no matter what we do, Reddit is going down and all info there is going with it.

Also worth noting that most content in Reddit is archived anyway, up to March/23 (when Reddit killed Pushshift access), so the actual loss of info would be next to zero.

kglitch, to AskKbin in So why do you perfer Kbin over Lemmy?

I rage quit Lemmy when I saw the developers of it defending genocide. Previously I had heard about that through the grapevine and thought I could hold my nose and use Lemmy anyway but when I read the actual discussion it made me sick.

Plus I know the language kbin is written in so I can contribute better to kbin.

herpderpedia,
@herpderpedia@kbin.social avatar

This is when I came over to kbin. Never saw it myself but was warned of it.

The kicking-off point was that I actually had created two communities and made a post in each one talking about how I was toying with the idea of using the Reddit API to mirror posts into them from the subreddits of the same name and then they magically disappeared (I assumed deleted by admins). So I dug into it and asked @feditips and was told they don't recommend Lemmy for those same reasons.

Turns out it was a weird nuance of language settings that hid them from me, despite being a mod of the new communities. So they are still there, but now I'm SERIOUSLY questioning the capabilities to moderate if I couldn't see posts because of language selection, especially my own posts.

tentphone, to RedditMigration in Does anyone regret deleting their Reddit account?

Zero regrets. So far the content has been better and people have been nicer, the experience on Lemmy app I use is very similar to the 3rd party Reddit app I was using, and the official Reddit app is so much worse than both of them that I am not at all tempted to use it.

elscallr,
@elscallr@kbin.social avatar

Ngl I miss all the niche communities from reddit that actually had content. Like there's nothing for The West Wing or The Wire on the lemmybin. Last hype shit for Starfield on the largest Starfield Magazine was like 3 days ago.

Not that I really need or get that much out of that content but it's shit I like to talk about. And sure I can create the communities or post the content, but it's like yelling into an abyss right now.

That'll change as more people join, of course, it's just a part I miss.

RheingoldRiver,

I've joined a ton of new discords in the past few weeks. they're keeping me together until the threadiverse takes off.

ivanafterall, to RedditMigration in Haven't touched reddit since July 1st
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

Is the title supposed to sound like a Narcotics Anonymous meeting or am I just projecting?

Chariotwheel,

In a way social media is a drug and most of us were addicted. At least I was on Reddit, because I liked being there. So not using it, especislly when it was kind of a habit may not be easy for many on virtue fo that alone.

ivanafterall,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

were addicted

Prezhotnuts, to RedditMigration in Did Karma really matter that much in Reddit?
@Prezhotnuts@kbin.social avatar

Karma is all about gamification. Made up points to make you feel like your contribution was worth something. You can see it in pretty much all social media platforms.

You never really care about checking others, but I bet you'd probably take a peak from time to time at your own.

I never cared, but I would be lieing if when I post blew up I wouldn't notice all those upvotes.

writeblankspace,
@writeblankspace@geddit.social avatar

True. For those who don't really look at Karma, the upvotes still mattered. It feels nice when your post blows up and people liked your contribution.

Coelacanth,
@Coelacanth@kbin.social avatar

While I agree with everything you said, it did also serve a tangible purpose on some subreddits as a barrier-of-entry to prevent bots from posting OF spam or whatever or stop new troll accounts from being able to post.

Nougat,

I'll go and look at how my recent comments and submissions are doing, but that's more to get a sense of how my outlook aligns with the outlook of the general readership. And when the alignment is off, I'll look at other comments to see what is getting traction.

By this process, its become clear to me that the outlook of Reddit The Userbase (as opposed to Reddit The Company) has become much younger in recent years. All too often, when my positions are heavily downvoted, neighboring comments expressing more popular (populist?) positions make me think, "Yeah, I used to think that ... thirty plus years ago."

Wisely,

It also encouraged dumb posts. I could post a long informative comment answering a question directly and get a couple upvotes.

Then if I posted something stupid like "never insult the mac and cheese" it got over 5,000 upvotes and awards.

Madison_rogue,
@Madison_rogue@kbin.social avatar

So true...my well thought out comments mostly flew under the radar. Stupid ones, or low effort ones received the most upvotes.

It's such an odd measure, and people in different subreddits were all over the place with their upvotes. I often couldn't make sense out of it.

May,
@May@kbin.social avatar

I didnt like to check the karma on my comments bc what if i got downvoted or worse... what if someone replied to me and id have to engage in conversation?! :0

Madison_rogue,
@Madison_rogue@kbin.social avatar

What would you do if you had to engage in conversation?

Dick, to RedditMigration in It feels a lot nicer here on lemmy / kbin
@Dick@lemmy.world avatar

Oh yeah. I’m loving it. I feel like my comments and posts get a lot more attention and the engagement is a lot better than Reddit. It definitely feels like a community is brewing but I’m loving the increased interaction.

mathesonian,

I see you :)

LanternEverywhere, to RedditMigration in I don’t understand people who say they can’t figure out Lemmy or KBin

It makes no sense to me that there are separate forums for the same topic that have the same names other than "@instance". IMO there should be a single place that is /politics which has the same posts and comments regardless of which instance you're logged into. If these instances are "federated" with each other then they should act like a single shared space. Or at least that's how it seems like it should work to me.

BaroqueInMind, (edited )
@BaroqueInMind@kbin.social avatar

Hell no, I do not want this to happen because then you have lemmy tankies and exploding-head fascists all dog piling into normal discussions, saying preposterously stupid shit to spoil what you read as you scroll through the comments.

hardypart,
@hardypart@feddit.de avatar

That's a matter of moderation, not the technology behind the platform.

Chozo,

I'm not sure how federation does anything to prevent that from happening, though. They can still do that on your instance, from their instance.

At most, I suppose an instance could defederate from a troublesome instance that's doing this, but the more that happens, the more fragmented the Fediverse becomes, and it starts to defeat the purpose of federation in the first place.

LanternEverywhere, (edited )

Then as a user you would be free to click to filter out comments from lemmy, and the top mod of /politics could choose to "defederate" from lemmy for that forum, and users at lemmie would be free to create /politics_tankies or whatever.

Zouden,

Wait so do communities not have mods?

LanternEverywhere,

I don't know about other places, but at kbin each forum has mods.

EnglishMobster, (edited )
@EnglishMobster@kbin.social avatar

Reddit was the same way.

You have /r/gaming. /r/games. /r/truegaming. /r/videogames. /r/videogame. Etc.

Each community was slightly different in subtle ways, but some people were subscribed to multiple (basically identical) communities. Others self-sorted into different communities based on moderation style and community vibes.

Not to mention that your idea of how federation should work kind of ignores moderation and community preferences. Communities hosted on Beehaw are tightly moderated. There may be other communities that want something less strict. How do these two reconcile with one another? What happens if a conversation is removed on one instance but kept around on another?

If local mods only have local power, they can get quickly overwhelmed as you effectively need a mod team on every single instance. Smaller instances wouldn't necessarily have the manpower to have their own dedicated mods for literally everything.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

There is no problem with similar communities. It wasn’t a problem on reddit and it won’t be a problem here.

Kichae,

Well, instances are all different, independent websites. As an admin, if I can't name a community whatever I want on my own website, I'm probably not participating in this ecosystem.

Plus, 1000 times more posts get posted to r/bigsub than you or anyone ever reads, and 10,000 times as many comments. It creates an environment where no one is actually discussing anything, and are just jockeying for attention.

You won't actually miss anything except for big vanity numbers by just choosing the community you like best for a topic and just... Ignoring the others.

Sharpiemarker, to RedditMigration in banning and defederating communities

Let's not sugar-coat this: do not tolerate fascists and bigots in your spaces. Period.

spicy_biscuits,
@spicy_biscuits@kbin.social avatar

PERIOD

1chemistdown,
@1chemistdown@kbin.social avatar

This.

pizza_rolls,
@pizza_rolls@kbin.social avatar

I agree 100%

If you want to tolerate Nazis, bigots, fascists, etc under the guise of "free speech" then this is not the instance for you. And I hope we maintain that moving forward. Y'all can have your own hellhole somewhere else

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

A clear-cut and uncontroversial rule that will see little to no opposition, yes.

And in many cases it's also clear-cut and uncontroversial whether someone is a fascist or a bigot.

But in other cases, you're going to run into trouble. A particular case in point; I don't like the Disney Star Wars sequel trilogy. I have, in the past, been immediately called a sexist when I've mentioned that fact. But I personally don't care one whit about the gender of the trilogy's protagonist, I just think they're bad movies. Maybe there are other people who actually do care and that's the reason they don't like those movies. Maybe there are people who don't believe me when I say I personally don't care about the gender of the trilogy's protagonist. So, is https://reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/ a bigoted community? If there was a Fediverse equivalent, should it be blocked? Different people will argue different ways.

I can think of lots of other scenarios, I won't make a big rambling list because I'm sure I'll step on a landmine eventually. I'm just arguing that seemingly simple straightforward "rules" that are easy to agree with can still end up mired in complexity when people try to implement them in the real world.

SJ_Zero,
@SJ_Zero@lemmy.fbxl.net avatar

“No nazis or bigots” is a nice slogan, but if people turn off our brains and turn off our humanity and just start mindlessly chanting slogans that justify the punishing of our enemies, then there’s no difference between us and the typical German in 1938.

It doesn’t take a lot to end up in a bad place if we think we’re purely good and in the right and our enemy is purely evil.

PM_me_your_vagina_thanks,

lmao fuck off. Tolerating nazis leads to more nazis. The only way to get rid of them is to stomp them out.

SJ_Zero,
@SJ_Zero@lemmy.fbxl.net avatar

Are you familiar with the Salem witch trials, the werewolf trials in France in the 1500s and 1600s and the Satanic Panic of the late 80s and early 90s? Those people thought they were morally justified in anything they did against the accused because they were fighting against literal Satan.

World War 2 ended 75 years ago. Virtually everyone who was a Nazi is dead of old age.

So who are you stomping?

Tyrannosauralisk,

There are plenty of white supremacist fascists out there. People often call them nazis because we don't give a shit about splitting hairs regarding if they are a member of the actual Nazi party or if they're just closely related scum.

Killakomodo,
@Killakomodo@kbin.social avatar

lol you are delusional if you think Nazi ideology is dead.

Killakomodo,
@Killakomodo@kbin.social avatar

also funny that you only bring up horseshit things as your dodge with witches, werewolves and Satan, you know all not real, but Nazis and bigots are real so it seem a weird comparison

ScrumblesPAbernathy,
@ScrumblesPAbernathy@readit.buzz avatar

We're not talking about punishing anyone, we just don't want to hear or see their bigotry. They can have their space and we can choose not to interact with them.

SJ_Zero,
@SJ_Zero@lemmy.fbxl.net avatar

That’s a fair point.

Jo,
@Jo@readit.buzz avatar

There is a really, really big difference between "we want to kill you" and "we do not want to be killed by you".

Don't tolerate fascists. However comfortable that centrist illusion is, you are signing your own death warrant and that of millions of others (most of whom will suffer the consequences of your actions long before they get around to the people who feel safe enough to argue that fascists must be tolerated).

pizza_rolls,
@pizza_rolls@kbin.social avatar

Ya we should have thought harder about who the bad guys REALLY were in WW2

FFS

Ghost33313,
@Ghost33313@kbin.social avatar

That's a bad faith argument they used against you for having a good opinion that they disagree with. In my personal head cannon I ignore the prequels and sequels because they cheapen the original plot. Rogue One I'll take though.

frontporchtreat,

Very well said.

Anticorp,

The concern you raised cannot be overstated. Accusing someone of bigotry or hate because their opinions of a subject are different has become a common invalidation and attack strategy. Another example is the Little Mermaid movie. By most accounts it's just not a very good movie. But you'll likely be called a racist by certain groups if you state that you don't like it. I haven't seen it. I don't have an opinion on it. But I witnessed the resulting arguments unfold across the internet. It is okay to dislike works created by or starring POC. It is not okay to dislike them because they were created by or star POC. Some people seem to find it impossible to differentiate between the two.

pizza_rolls,
@pizza_rolls@kbin.social avatar

I don't feel like there is as much gray area here as you're making it out to be. There is a big difference between

"The new star wars movies are bad cause they are WOKE!1!1!1!1!1 Women are bad!"

vs

"The new star wars movies were an incohesive mess due to changes between writers and directors for all 3 films"

But also it's not like we will be defederating whenever people get in a slap fight, people are still going to have shitty opinions on any instance and get downvoted for that. This is for a pattern of behavior being tolerated and prolific.

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

The whole reason /r/saltierthancrait exists is because the folks at /r/starwars largely refused to make that distinction. It could be that "misogynist" was simply a convenient weapon to bludgeon the people who disagreed with their taste in movies and they didn't genuinely believe that everyone who disliked those movies were misogynist, but the weapon was deployed nonetheless and resulted in a schism.

These words are just too convenient sometimes.

mrnotoriousman,

Yeah I have no doubt someone called him a sexist for not liking the new SW, but from what I've seen across communities online 99% of people are easily able to distinguish between someone critiquing films over being a misogynist. And there was def rampant misogyny in some places when they got released.

blazera,
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

we should defederate from kbin for hosting fascists and bigots

wahming,

Satire doesn't work as well on fedi when everybody has to check what instance they're on AND what instance you're posting from to figure out if you're serious

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