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Trabic, to science_memes in All is fair in love and war. (See body for part 2)

The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only, there is no parking in the white zone

tias,

Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.

Trabic,

It’s really the only sensible choice. If it’s done properly, therapeutically there’s almost no danger involved

happybadger, (edited ) to science_memes in Corvids...
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livescience.com/crows-understand-concept-of-zero.…

www.jneurosci.org/content/41/22/4889

ABSTRACT: Different species of animals can discriminate numerosity, the countable number of objects in a set. The representations of countable numerosities have been deciphered down to the level of single neurons. However, despite its importance for human number theory, a special numerical quantity, the empty set (numerosity zero), has remained largely unexplored. We explored the behavioral and neuronal representation of the empty set in carrion crows. Crows were trained to discriminate small numerosities including the empty set. Performance data showed a numerical distance effect for the empty set in one crow, suggesting that the empty set and countable numerosities are represented along the crows’ “mental number line.” Single-cell recordings in the endbrain region nidopallium caudolaterale (NCL) showed a considerable proportion of NCL neurons tuned to the preferred numerosity zero. As evidenced by neuronal distance and size effects, NCL neurons integrated the empty set in the neural number line. A subsequent neuronal population analysis using a statistical classifier approach showed that the neuronal numerical representations were predictive of the crows’ success in the task. These behavioral and neuronal data suggests that the conception of the empty set as a cognitive precursor of a zero-like number concept is not an exclusive property of the cerebral cortex of primates. Zero as a quantitative category cannot only be implemented in the layered neocortex of primates, but also in the anatomically distinct endbrain circuitries of birds that evolved based on convergent evolution.

SIGNIFICANCE STATEMENT: The conception of “nothing” as number “zero” is celebrated as one of the greatest achievements in mathematics. To explore whether precursors of zero-like concepts can be found in vertebrates with a cerebrum that anatomically differs starkly from our primate brain, we investigated this in carrion crows. We show that crows can grasp the empty set as a null numerical quantity that is mentally represented next to number one. Moreover, we show that single neurons in an associative avian cerebral region specifically respond to the empty set and show the same physiological characteristics as for countable quantities. This suggests that zero as a quantitative category can also be implemented in the anatomically distinct endbrain circuitries of birds that evolved based on convergent evolution.

edit: The idea of zero is always one of those things that seemed like it didn’t need big brain mathematicians to develop, like the Pythagorean theorem being a common sense thing you naively get if you’ve ever walked somewhere with a diagonal shortcut. You have a practical need to understand the absence of something numerical if you are a social animal dealing with resource scarcity. If I forage 10 handfuls of berries and need to distribute that to my group of little monkey-ass things, I don’t eat unless I understand that I can give away 9 handfuls but not 10. Even if I knew nothing else about mathematics I’d know 10-10 equals some kind of total absence of berries, with those still existing as a category without a quantity.

Nakoichi,
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This reminds me of Kropotkins mutual aid a factor of evolution.

Karyoplasma,

Isn’t the Pythagorean theorem less about the fact that a diagonal is shorter than taking a corner (which is indeed obvious) and more about calculating how much shorter it is?

TrudeauCastroson,

The reason this corvid study is different from intuitively knowing that 10-10=no berries is where this 0/empty set is represented on the numberline.

Considering 0 as a number vs the empty set are two different concepts. It’s the difference between having a bank account with $0, vs having no bank account. They don’t close your account when you have $0, so it’s still an amount of money.

Crows considering 0 on the numberline, and differently from the empty set shows they have a more abstract concept of numbers than we thought.

Idk who authored this study, seems like a very specific kind of person who is both into number theory and neural pathways of birds to design.

Raine_Wolf,

Or Anthropology. Right now, we have realized that New Caledonian crows have entered an equivalent to the early stone age in humans. Therefore, we can gain a lot of insight both about the nature of technological progression and of the very nature of intelligence (and the differences between mammalian and avian intelligence) by doing these studies.

corrupts_absolutely, to science_memes in Corvids...

makes zero sense

corrupts_absolutely,

i meant zero makes sense

moistclump, to science_memes in Behold: Pufferfish Bones

I wonder if you can go like

https://i.imgur.com/8lX23R8.jpg

1847953620,

gotta find the hidden button

gatelike, to science_memes in Hummingbird feet

when worlds collide

HiddenLayer5, to science_memes in On bats.
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Makes me feel better that bats are as uncoordinated as me.

Ddhuud,

Now hold on a minute…

LazaroFilm, to science_memes in easy as π
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1 and 0 if written in binary

emptyother,

It shouldnt really just be high and low voltage.

Unless its fiber optics, then I assume its light strength? Hmm… Waves that are modulated… And now I fell down a wikipedia hole.

LazaroFilm,
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Unless it’s on a carrier frequency…

someguy3, to science_memes in Pigeons

Had to say it out loud.

GarfieldYaoi, to memes in $1 grilled cheese
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no-choice

This capitalist is alright.

drre, to science_memes in Correlation, maybe causation?

a regular on retraction watch (highly recommended): retractionwatch.com/?s=gueguen

eran_morad, to science_memes in What does a PhD mean?

Eh. It was a stupid misadventure, but it led ultimately to me meeting my wife and making a good amount of money. I managed to eke out a win.

pigup, to science_memes in fly like paper get high like Exocoetidae

I didn’t believe these were real until I saw several generic gray fish literally fly out of the water by flapping their wings??? It was in the Atlantic Ocean. They’re really fast too.

SuckMyWang, to science_memes in KNOW THE SIGNS

It’s too late for these people. I don’t usually agree with the conservatives but I think they might be right about this.

unreachable, (edited )
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conservativeshomo erectus

SuckMyWang, (edited )

More like homo impotentus.

Edit. I see, they both work in their own way

outer_spec, to science_memes in Greebles!
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These gliberals with their new genders… back in my day greebles only had two genders, PLOK and GLIP!!!

Norgur, to science_memes in Survey says: You're louder than the bullfrogs.

Dude! You're doing it all wrong! Colorado TOADS are hallucinogenic, not bullfrogs! Stop slabberinf the poor insect-munchi-boiis!

FuglyDuck,
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Pretty sure bullfrogs will eat whatever it can get in it’s mouth.

Also, I’m pretty sure I have no idea what the difference between a toad and a frog.

moonsnotreal,
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Toads can live outside of water for longer, and generally have bumps all over their skin. Frogs live almost entirely in the water and have smooth skin.

AtmaJnana,

(uhm, ackshually…) Toads are a type of frog. Better lick them all, just to be sure.

fossilesque,
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The Classic Taste Test. Kid Tested, Elder God Approved.

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