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library_napper, to news in China's population drops for second year, with record low birth rate
@library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

Nice

PhlubbaDubba, to news in China's population drops for second year, with record low birth rate

Bet good money to see a full court press from China discouraging turnout in the 2024 election.

A Trump win is far better prospects for them being able to invade Taiwan before the demographics of it become impossible to overcome than a Biden win, and white TikTokkers aren’t gonna be convinced to vote Republican, expect a LOT of disinformation about how Biden doesn’t do anything or how he’s exactly the same as Trump and any other crock of shit you hear the twits spit out whenever they want to explain why not voting isn’t handing Trump the win or why doing that isn’t a fucking first order act of betrayal of the disemprivileged.

furrowsofar,

The international situation is the biggest argument against Trump. Another 4 years of incompetence and self serving is something we cannot really have right now without huge consequences. Kind of feels like all the arguments in the US are just a distraction from the bigger issues.

DrRatso, to news in Some wealthier Chinese say they can't afford marriage as economy slows

I did not fully get from the article what exactly it is that makes marriage too expensive? Surely getting a marriage certificate is not prohibitively expensive? And shared / dual income would make it easier to stay on top of finances…

Sina, (edited )

In order for a man to marry they need to own their own home & have a decent car. This is the societal norm in today’s China, without these things the women’s parents will not approve & they are still a confucianist society to a point, so eloping is quite rare. Now in Shanghai the home owning part is not so easy :-) Though the article is not great, because the “wealthy” part doesn’t make much sense.
(wealth starts with owning a large home, while driving a “Benz”)

avidamoeba, (edited ) to news in Some wealthier Chinese say they can't afford marriage as economy slows
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

This reluctance to tie the knot is worrying policymakers grappling with a decline in births and a rapidly aging population in a country that was once the world’s most populous, and where marriage rates are closely tied to birth rates as unmarried mothers are often denied child-raising benefits.

I heard the CCP wanted birth rates to climb. That’s not how you do it. The slowing economy doesn’t have to have this effect on young people. The Chinese government has a much stronger ability to manage these effects than democratic free market economies. I hope they would manage to use that.

acockworkorange,

If they were that smart, they wouldn’t need to be autocratic.

avidamoeba,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Hahaha, good point. At least not that autocratic.

Five, to news in Germans protest nationwide after far-right meeting on deportation plan

Nazis verpiss dich!

Rozz, to news in Some wealthier Chinese say they can't afford marriage as economy slows

Do people still live together unmarried?

What happens if people have children a license/approval?

kittenroar, (edited ) to news in Biden says Netanyahu must change, Israel losing global support

Sounds like a lot of hot air coming from the guy who bypassed congress to float an extra $106,000,000 so the IDF can use more guns and bombs on civilians.

I used to be a vote blue no matter who, afraid of Trump fascism, but a statement must be made that this is not okay.

raccoona_nongrata,
@raccoona_nongrata@beehaw.org avatar

Yea, until we see him actually with holding aid under the condition they end the genocide his words don’t mean anytjing.

Especially since he just doubled down on the quote that’s dogged him where he said he was a zionist earlier in his career. A few days ago he just re-affirmed bluntly that he is and believes Israel is “the only safe place for Jews” as a justification for Israel to continue murdering children.

Zworf, (edited )

He’s already walked it back again anyway. www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/…/ar-AA1lqsz4

It was probably just a gesture to appease his moderate backers consdering he’s doing pretty badly in the polls.

Titan, to news in Biden says Netanyahu must change, Israel losing global support

One fascist to another “dude, can you chill for a sec? you’re making me look bad”

GentlemanLoser,

Joe Biden is a fascist? Lol

Titan,

Yep

faede, to news in Biden says Netanyahu must change, Israel losing global support

Didn’t he just go all “I’m a Zionist?” And claim that he will never stop supporting Israel? Somehow I think he is being a bit disingenuous here.

P1r4nha,

Clearly speaking out of both sides of his mouth and it’s glaringly obvious.

DarkThoughts, to news in Biden says Netanyahu must change, Israel losing global support

No. Israel must change, Netanyahu must resign.

ramble81, (edited ) to news in Biden says Netanyahu must change, Israel losing global support

Action: skirt congress rules to give Israel shells to continue bombing indiscriminately

Words: You need to change, you’re losing support.

Which is it? And can you guess which speaks louder.

idiocracy,

propoganda. israel doesn’t shell indiscriminately, they targets terrorists.

otherwise gaza would b erased from map in a single day.

Titan,

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  • idiocracy, (edited )

    your ass can form its own opinions but I’m afraid it can’t make facts

    Kwakigra,

    You made a typo. Let me fix it.

    propoganda: israel doesn’t shell indiscriminately, they targets terrorists.

    BartsBigBugBag,
    idiocracy,

    do u really compare the most dense city in the world to… that?

    or u try to make a point that so many buildings were destroyed yet so many arabs are alive thus Israel is doing a great job not harming the population?

    millie,

    Is this a joke account?

    DdCno1,

    Gaza is not even remotely the densest city in the world. There are several cities in Israel alone that are denser.

    Also, yeah, the death toll among civilians is a tiny fraction of that in these cities during WW2 despite similar levels of destruction, which does support the claim that Israel is actually warning people.

    P1r4nha,

    “Terrorists” as in “every male person over 18 + 40% women and children as collateral damage”.

    idiocracy,

    propoganda

    Radicalized,

    You’re so deep in. Wow. You can literally turn on the TV and see the bodies and burned out apartments stacking up on corporate media.

    The tide is turning, Zionist. The world is starting to hate Israel.

    FaulerFuffi,

    The claim he called propaganda was that every male over 18 +40% of women are seen as, and killed as, terrorists by the Israeli army, not that there wouldn’t be dead civilians. Nobody, literally nobody, claims the latter. Also YOU are funnily the one doing that by being anti-Israel? That, other than Hamas, is an actual country with civilians. Just stop the polarisation and dramatisation. One can be against wannabe autocrat Netanyahu, the war crimes the Israeli army is committing, and yet hope they kill every single Hamas member. Gaza has to be freed, from Hamas and Iran’s snd Quatar’s influence. Unlike those two countries Israel ACTUALLY has a proven track record of working with Palestinians on a civil and economic level and not like your crusader kings jihad DLC fantasy.

    ondoyant,
    @ondoyant@beehaw.org avatar

    do you genuinely think that the actions of Israel are going to actually achieve the goal of killing every single Hamas member? what the Israeli government is doing is actively building support for radical action, because the position Israel is taking, the actions they’re taking, are unreasonable and abhorrent. if your goal is to kill all the insurgents, you lose. because there is no practical way to do that without victimizing the population, killing innocent people, and driving the survivors of that terror campaign into insurgency themselves. we’ve seen this play out before, in so many places. Israel is doing nothing but ensuring the continuation of this conflict.

    Unlike those two countries Israel ACTUALLY has a proven track record of working with Palestinians on a civil and economic level and not like your crusader kings jihad DLC fantasy.

    maybe there was a track record. there isn’t one any more. the only record the people of Gaza care about is the death toll. how are they expected to trust a country so willing to deliver death, disease, and famine upon them? how are we, as people who care for the lives of our fellow human beings, expected to side with racists and murderers? Hamas is a blight, no doubt, but it is a response to decades of oppression and harm, harm that Israel is gleefully embracing, even as the world turns against them. the kind of dysfunction that makes a state do what Israel is doing is not worth preserving. the kind of ideology that could justify what is happening right now is not worth fighting for.

    bartolomeo, (edited )
    @bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

    Hamas is a blight, no doubt, but it is a response to decades of oppression and harm, harm that Israel is gleefully embracing, even as the world turns against them. the kind of dysfunction that makes a state do what Israel is doing is not worth preserving. the kind of ideology that could justify what is happening right now is not worth fighting for.

    Very well put. It reminds me of the quote:

    If there were an Oscar for best theatrical performance by a country, Israel would win every year. It’s a country based on theater. It’s a lunatic state - completely insane.

    Norman Finkelstein

    tocopherol,
    @tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    So you view all Gazans as terrorists, got it.

    FaulerFuffi,

    Your conclusion is wrong from what they say. Don’t project and polarise. Killing civilians is horrible and must be stopped. But that’s different from targeting them as terrorists. And you know that! How will this mess be ever solved if even on the most basic level are these stupid dramatisation and accusations?

    Honytawk, (edited )

    Targeting terrorists with bombs while civilians are about makes you a terrorist as well. Bombs kill indiscriminately.

    Especially if they turned Gaza into a concentration camp.

    As Jews they really should know better.

    If they were actually after terrorists, they would send in foot soldiers who can determine who is a terrorists and who is being used as human shield.

    tocopherol,
    @tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Yes I know, it was a facetious comment because anyone still supporting Israel appears to be in a different reality than I, and I see no point in debating this issue.

    Armen12, to news in Biden says Netanyahu must change, Israel losing global support

    I love how a country is allowed to just get away with killing children and UN workers and doctors and journalists but we condemn countries that do the same thing like Russia. It makes no sense that Israel should get a free pass, all it does is expose a huge double standard

    idiocracy,

    it’s not getting away with it since civilians are not the target in the first place. fake news, propoganda.

    fosforus, (edited )

    all it does is expose a huge double standard

    No, a simple unistandard. I’ll illustrate with a meme.

    https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/1d658bab-1bd5-4b73-bc2c-57586624383c.png

    bartolomeo,
    @bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

    Russia has the right to self defense.

    Do you condemn NATO?

    /s

    HeartyBeast,
    @HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

    If Ukraine had initially launched an attack on Russia and killed 1,200 mainlycivilians, taken 200+ hostages and thrown in a bit of organised gang rape, I doubt Ukraine would be receiving its current level of support, and there may even have been some support for retaliatory action by Russia.

    That’s not to say that Israel’s current appalling treatment of Palestinian civilians is justified

    cwagner, (edited )

    It’s crazy. On reddit, it’s 90%

    Let’s ignore how many people israel has killed, they need to kill more, and let’s also go ahead an label everyone who says “too much” a hamas supporter

    Then you go here and it’s again 90%

    Let’s not even call hamas terrorist, more like freedom-fighters with some friendly rape and friendly fire thrown in.

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    I don't agree with this characterization at all.

    Here in the fediverse there are many people with opinions similar to mine, i.e we are on the side of civillians, not any of the belligerents in this hellscape of war crimes.

    sqgl,

    You are describing r/Worldnews not other Reddit subs.

    And Lemmy has been 50-50, with very little actual personal attacking.

    idiocracy,

    what do u mean 50-50? give me one thread here that isn’t anti Israel and with massive upvote/downvote ratio

    sqgl, (edited )
    GBU_28,

    Wut? I’ve not seen a single pro Israel thread here.

    sqgl,
    GBU_28, (edited )

    Not moving the goalposts but I meant Lemmy in general, not beehaw, cause no downvotes

    But I admit you supplied a link to my request. I stand.partially informed

    sqgl,

    Ah, so only beehaw prohibits downvotes, not other Lemmy instances. TIL.

    I guess even what I showed you may have gone negative if downvotes were allowed. The person I was arguing with wasn’t being nasty about it, just incredibly obstinate.

    I worry about a return to Nazi style anti-semitism (though I hate Likud) which the polarized discussions are leading us towards. It is arrogant to think it could never happen again.

    Zoop,

    Some Lemmy instances have downvotes, some don’t. It varies by instance. I think most instances have/allow downvotes. Beehaw & Blahaj are two bigger ones that don’t that I can think of off of the top of my head.

    Also agreed with your last bit. I’m nervous about it, too. I wish people would just be decent and… not suck, lol.

    Titan,

    Worldnews mods are clearly fascist. They banned me for being skeptical of IDF sources

    sqgl, (edited )

    If it makes you feel any better, I got banned for my first and only comment there (not even a post) which was a link and an explanation of the high credentials of the author. Like this…

    …substack.com/…/how-america-took-out-the-nord-str…

    Hersh first gained recognition in 1969 for exposing the My Lai Massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War, for which he received the 1970 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting.

    Titan,

    Yeah they are clearly forcing a narrative there.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if someone from IDF social media team is involved in some way, either as a mod or paying the mods handsomely

    cwagner,

    I do not visit worldnews. This description fits to both /r/europe and /r/de.

    And regarding lemmy, maybe on other instances, but I’m only on beehaw.

    sqgl, (edited )

    Haven’t visited those subs.

    I might be describing beehaw rather than other Lemmy instances. That was why I joined beehaw, because it promised civility.

    cwagner,

    As I said, I only know of beehaw as well. No personal attacks, but also nowhere near 50-50 sentinment.

    sqgl, (edited )

    50-50 here

    acockworkorange,

    Except it wasn’t Palestine that attacked, it was a group disassociated with the Palestinian Authority, that Israel itself funds so it can justify the “war” to favor the arms dealers and distract the constituents of the terrible administration they’re receiving.

    The two conflicts are not even remotely comparable.

    HeartyBeast,
    @HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

    The two conflicts are not even remotely comparable.

    That was largely my point.

    acockworkorange,

    You have a weird way of getting to it, seeing as you compared the two right out of the door.

    HeartyBeast,
    @HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

    Given that I was replying to a message drawing equivalence, you'll see that I was saying that they weren't really equivalent, in that Ukraine hadn't mounted an attack on Russian civilians. Hope that helps.

    ImplyingImplications,

    Isreal’s main exports are cutting-edge technology found nowhere else in the world. Russia’s main export is oil. Western and European Union countries were fine getting their oil elsewhere, but they absolutely do not want to give up advanced tech. Especially since there will always be other countries that don’t care and will continue trading anyway.

    sqgl,

    Israel ain’t Taiwan. What tech do you think is indispensable there?

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    Maybe they mean this sort of thing.

    ImplyingImplications,

    Bioscience and Military tech are also fields Isreali companies excel at.

    sqgl, (edited )

    I often hear of Bioscience “breakthroughs” from Israel which amount to nothing but hype.

    What military tech apart from Iron Dome? (which protects against crappy home made rockets)

    idiocracy,

    search for Israeli Nobel prize winners.

    and multiple countries want to have their hand on iron dome including Ukraine so where ur going with this?

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    Israel sells billions worth of weapons a year, sometimes to repressive regimes like the Myanmar junta.

    It also innovates quite heavily in that space.

    I have been noticing a number of doctors mentioning a new kind of burn on children in Gaza. Israel routinely deploys new weapons there, and this may well be a new example of testing experimental weapons in Gaza

    TheMongoose,

    It's security software - firewalls, VPNs, that sort of thing. It's not that it's not available anywhere else, but the Israeli stuff was always considered among the best before this conflict kicked off.

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    It's also weapons. Many of which are sold as "battle tested" because they were tested in Palestine.

    scorpionix,
    @scorpionix@feddit.de avatar

    Mostly software based tech. Israel is leading in the field of “legal” spyware for example.

    Maeve,

    Extralegal!

    sqgl,

    You have a point there.

    sqgl, (edited )

    False equivalence.

    Russia bombed Kiev for the hell of it, not even pretending there was a military objective. Russia also is conscripting Ukrainians to fight against their fellow countrymen as cannon-fodder on the front line. It is kidnapping children into Russia.

    maynarkh,

    We could go an have a piss-fight between the warcrimes of Russia and the warcrimes of Israel.

    The US can be the bad guy in one conflict while be on the good side on another. Imperialism is bad, whether it’s Russia or the US doing it.

    Also, Hamas are war criminals as well. No good guys fighting there ATM.

    fosforus, (edited )

    No good guys fighting there ATM.

    IDF are the good guys, just like the Ukrainian army is. That doesn’t mean that every single individual in either army are angels or that every operation is virtuous, just that their overall intentions are just.

    An important question: What would the world look like if these guys won versus if they lost?

    Zworf, (edited )

    IMO the only “good guys” fighting there are the civilians “fighting” to survive. Not Hamas and not the IDF. Neither care about the innocent.

    idiocracy,

    I’m positively surprised ur not downvoted to hell for saying that I must say

    t3rmit3,

    There are no downvotes on Beehaw.

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    It's true, there are no downvotes on Beehaw. It doesn't accept them or federate them.

    However, people from other instances see a downvote button and it registers downvotes - but only from people on their own instance.

    @fosforus and @idiocracy are probably looking at those figures and mistaking it for over-all numbers.

    idiocracy,

    ohhhh that makes total sense now thanks!

    fosforus,

    Perhaps majority of the people who hate my comments about Israel vs Hamas have already blocked me

    idiocracy,

    that was funny and I thank u for that :D

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    IDF are the good guys

    Narrator: ...they weren't.

    NoIWontPickaName,

    Which is more important, ends or means?

    fosforus, (edited )

    Ends are more important.

    NoIWontPickaName,

    I can prove to you it is not.

    If my end is to have a million dollars, am I justified in killing whoever I want to get it?

    If someone rapes your sister, are you justified in killing their whole family to get to them?

    If someone kills your daughter, are you justified in burning down a city in revenge?

    fosforus, (edited )

    Oh, I didn’t realize you asked “do ends always justify the means?”. My mistake.

    sqgl, (edited )

    The whole point of the article is Biden criticizing Israel for going too far in their mission to eradicate Hamas. He even criticized US for invading Afghanistan.

    Hyperreality, (edited )

    Bit of a tangent, but I find it insane that the US spent over 2000 billion to fight the war in Afghanistan, but congress is unwilling to authorise giving the Ukrainians 60 billion. A relatively small amount, that means Ukrainians can keep fighting Russia, decreasing the likelihood of American troops ever having to get involved in a war in Europe.

    Zworf,

    But that 2000 billion went directly into the military industrial complex. Ka-ching.

    Is the same true for that 60 billion?

    sqgl,

    I once did the sums to calculate that USA could have afforded a run a gun buyback scheme (like Australia) rather than invade Iraq, you know… to cut down on Americans killing Americans.

    Hyperreality,

    I did the sums, and the US would have been able to fund a large moonbase for the next century, mine asteroids AND seriously begin colonising Mars.

    But instead of becoming an interplanetary power, the US chose to blow up brown farmers.

    Zworf,

    And accomplished nothing for the people there, within 2 months it was as bad as it ever was before the US came.

    sqgl,

    Kubrick’s 2001, A Space Odysseyvs Dr Strangelove

    TheMongoose,

    Ah, but from where I sit (a long way from the US), it looks more like a pissing contest between the Republicans to see who can be the most terrible human being in government, than it does look like any sort of actual policy or principal.

    It's not about helping Ukraine, or avoiding the mistakes of Afghanistan - it's about trying to make Biden (and/or 'The Dems' in general) look bad, even if that involves civilian deaths.

    Are they evil, Russian agents or just absolute clowns? It doesn't really matter, does it. The end result is the same.

    Zoop,

    From someone in the US, smack dab in the middle of very dense Republican land (Oklahoma,) I want you to know that you’ve nailed it! You’re spot on. I wish you were exaggerating, lol.

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    He criticizes their war crimes with one hand but with the other hand he gives them billions of dollars to help them commit more.

    Netanyahu said in a statement on Tuesday that Israel had received "full backing" from the U.S. for its ground incursion into Gaza and that Washington had blocked "international pressure to stop the war."

    sqgl, (edited ) to news in Biden says Netanyahu must change, Israel losing global support

    Biden to Bibi: “don’t make the same mistakes we made in 9/11. There’s no reason why we had to be in a war in Afghanistan.”

    sxan,
    @sxan@midwest.social avatar

    There’s really no reason why we had to be in a war in Iraq. Afghanistan… yeah, probably not there, either, especially given how intimately we understood how well they had been trained at guerilla warfare against foreign invaders.

    Although, that’s not guite accurate; there were reasons, they were just serving different, less publically recognized, purposes. Much like Netanyahu’s war.

    idiocracy,

    make no mistake - Netanyahu has his faults, many even, but no country should and would accept the terror act hamas did and do nothing

    t3rmit3,

    Good thing that basically every other action you could do falls between “do nothing”, and “commit ethnic cleansing”, so they’ve got a lot to choose from!

    Too bad they decided to go with the ethnic cleansing instead.

    sqgl, (edited )

    Do you not think Israel could have killed pretty much everyone in Gaza if they were interested in ethnic cleansing?

    Meanwhile Hamas really did do their best to ethically cleanse, and have said they would do it again given a chance.

    The reality is still pretty bad: at least 10,000 civilians killed and it seems Bibi wants to push all Gazans out of Gaza altogether in their mission to root out Hamas.

    t3rmit3, (edited )

    In case you don’t know the definition of ethnic cleansing, forced removals are ethnic cleansing, so even by your own comment they’re engaged in it.

    Hamas is a terrorist organization, and Israel reaped what they sowed by supporting Hamas for a decade in order to delegitimize the Palestinian National Authority.

    Palestinians are not Hamas, and Israel is exploiting people conflating them to deflect blame for their genocide and ethnic cleansing.

    sqgl, (edited )

    Am aware of Bibi supporting Hamas. It was a cynical ploy by him.

    Bibi required five (re)elections to resume power. There were huge protests for ten days when he wanted to control the judiciary.

    Palestinians are not Hamas

    Istaelis are not Likud

    t3rmit3, (edited )

    Israelis are not Likud

    That’s why I try to be very deliberate in differentiating between “Israel”, which is a country and government, and “Israelis”, which are the people who live there.

    As an American, I’m extremely mindful of this distinction:

    Being anti-American is bigotry based on national origin.

    Being anti-America is a moral and justified position against an Imperial, settler-colonialist state that kills millions around the globe.

    sqgl,

    OK. By the way Israel always has coalition governments so there are several parties in this coalition although the largest component is Likud. The war cabinet is only Likud and National Unity (party led by Benny Gantz).

    GentlemanLoser,

    They don’t care about that kind of stuff in here

    sqgl,

    I guess that is like trying to discuss who the trainer of the football team is with a guy in the grandstand who just wants to throw beer cans at the opposition.

    idiocracy,

    too bad u fall for the propoganda of ethnic cleansing

    sqgl, (edited )

    This shit goes back further than people here care to investigate…

    "The Antichrist will pass by this salty barren area i.e. Madinah, in a passage of a canal. Most of those who will come out to him will be women so that a man will return to his intimate wife, mother, daughter, sister or aunt to tie them up for fear that they might go out to him. Then, Allah will afflict him with Muslims who kill him and his followers and the Jews will hide behind a tree or a rock and the rock or the tree will say to the Muslim: There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!”

    This Hadith was reported by Ahmad in his Musnad. About 1200 years ago.

    …github.io/hadith-on-stones-will-speak

    Zworf,

    Well Iraq, the first time, yes. They invaded Kuwait which in my opinion did legitimise the first gulf war (though opinions may vary). Though IMO it should have happened under UN flag but of course the security council is forever locked into a stalemate.

    The second war, no. Whatever it was… Made-up WMD’s, funding of military industrial complex, Dubya’s desire to finish daddy’s pet project, whatever. A real reason there was not.

    jarfil, to news in China's Xi warns top EU officials not to engage in 'confrontation'

    Updated title: “China and EU leaders agree on need of ‘balanced’ trade ties”

    Banzai51, to news in China's Xi warns top EU officials not to engage in 'confrontation'
    @Banzai51@midwest.social avatar

    Putin tried that. How did that work out?

    GregorGizeh,

    Works out pretty well for him, considering the west is just about done with caring about Ukraine and is dropping support across the board. Soon he will successfully claim the valuable parts of Ukraine he started the war over.

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