Reddit is too popular and has too much group think, too many of the same types of comments that will get a lot karma, and too many comments that will just be ignored.
NEW is a garbage dump or a pile of duplicates. So why comment on a new post? It will never go anywhere. HOT is already full of comments, so your comment will just be lost.
The karma system also gamifies trying to find a variation on the same thing as always. You’re not trying to be clever or unique, or bring new perspectives to the conversation, you’re trying to be the first person to say the thing you think everyone else is going to think of
I’m constantly seeing posts about how much nicer kbin is, but I’ve also seen a “KYS” comment and personal insults towards people. I also recognize it’s possible that there are fewer nasty comments, that the ones I see are just outliers but I’m more likely to notice them here instead of just downvoting and forgetting because the posts about how nice kbin is are making the counterexamples stand out that much more.
thats crazy. im very active on here as my profile can tell and other than a run in with an alt right person on one thread, i havent seen anything bad. of course, as it gets more popular, this will increase, but for now its pretty nice
Communities are going to have to start actively moderating and removing blatant abuse like that. I haven't seen very much, but ultimately, we cannot rely solely on votes or people simply being nice forever. It's always a touchy question, but every community ultimately has some standards of acceptable behavior, and it'll take time for us to figure out what ours is.
To be fair some instances (like Beehaw) defederate for not being big enough to maintain a huge influx of users. It isn't always about Nazis although for sure Nazis suck I agree with that!
Sure, but anyone complaining about defederation in the context of "group think" probably isn't thinking about how much it sucks that small spaces can't moderate well enough.
Like literally these people are all like "FrEe SpEeCh" like dude if you wanna be a Nazi go be a Nazi I'm not gonna stop you but I'm definitely not gonna support you in it. You will get a hearty kick to the nuts if you approach me with it but like you do you
I would typically only engage with new posts, but in two places. One was some smaller subs where there was going to be more opportunity for discussion between everyone, and two in the larger subs would be breaking issues where new was by default and it was more group observation of the events going on in real time.
It was pretty clear to me, that’s why I stopped going.
It was getting toxic a long while back, but I was ok with that – I just deleted my account every few months so I wouldn’t get doxxed. But then I started to realize 2 things: First, many subreddits wouldn’t even let you post without a minimum amount of karma. Second, many subreddits would downvote you into oblivion for any sort of wrongthink.
Don’t get me wrong, I know I’m a wierdo and I have some bad takes sometimes, but you put bad takes out there to put them in the fire and then you get to see they’re bad or you hammer them until they’re good. But in the echo chamber, there was only one answer: Obey.
I really like the speed and overall clean user interface here. I am still learning, but so far I like what I see. Hopefully, we can all grow together into one thriving community!
Part of me feels like it's the subreddits fault. There should've been rules against articles/tweets that aren't timestamped. Specifically for reason of ensuring relevance
This was definitely a thing long before the blackout
The exchanges I have had here are like rare good ones I have had on reddit. If it gets to popular that will likely change but hey lets enjoy it while we can.
This matches my experience too. I’ve only had one or two unpleasant exchanges from a hateful person here, and it was pretty forgettable. On Reddit it seems like almost every time.
It was insane how carefully I had to tread on reddit. On here, I can just be myself without worrying about getting spammed by assholes. Every experience on here has been really nice!
Reddit has been a toxic cesspool for a long time. I just realised how desensitized i have become to this sort of thing after mainly being active here. I really hope we can keep it that way.
Ditto, I only interacted sparingly on like 3 subs that I liked. Here I've subscribed to many more and am sharing and interacting way more than I ever did on Reddit
I thought it would be a really hard shift since I used reddit so much. The more I go between them, the more I realize reddit is just another forum website - it's not even a really good one, either!
This change has been super helpful for me to learn not to get so attached to stuff. The people here are the same as the people there and the stuff I post can go anywhere I want it to, there's nothing extra special about reddit. It's super freeing!
You should try Beehaw, or any other instance that’s disabled downvotes. THAT’S awesome. If someone disagrees with your point, they actually begin a conversation, instead of just slapping a down arrow.
Im on lemmy.blahaj.zone and I’ve enjoyed the same thing. So, too, does mastodon feel this way - by default, you can’t see how many likes, boosts, or replies something has. So you end up with people actually talking to each other, rather than clicking a button that makes someone else look bad. In general on the fediverse there’s a prioritization of positivity over negativity, and healthy engagement over petty fights. It’s nice. Makes things easier on the moderators, too, I’m sure.
Can you clarify on karma not mattering here? I’ve heard that before, but I also see a total upvote count on my profile page. Does karma not impact the sorting of posts or what?
Well, for a start, I'm on kbin.social so when I click your profile you have 0 everything. So whatever we have on our instance probably doesn't come with us into the fediverse.
And here at kbin our upvotes are not karma. I can see them on my comments but they don't accumulate anywhere. So it means nothing. (There is some kind of system here where downvotes matter locally and not upvotes but apparently its broken and Ernest will probably fix it one day).
yeah, that's definitely a part. And it kind of feels good to try to help build something... though I'm far from the first bunch of people who started this
I agree! Oftentimes on Reddit I thought "I don't really have anything to add, and this post will be flooded with comments anyway, so mine will probably drown, so why bother?"
Here I think there's more of breathing room for everyone, which is nice
I'm trying to remember to do the same, I'm so used to saying nothing for fear of being the one post people pick to be the one they downvote to hell for no reason. It's like I want to interact now but as @magnetosphere put it I have PRSD - Post Reddit Stress Disorder
I feel what we’re seeing is a lack of OC from actual humans, that is being filled in by your standard karma farming bot. Doubt we’re at the AI filled posts time yet. Thinking those will be less obvious, and show up over the next couple months. So glad I’m part of a site without user karma. It means reposts are likely from passionate users rather than bots.
Yeah, but Kbin has "reputation", which is very similar to karma. The whole voting business, while useful for post/comment sorting and collection of metrics, also gives bad incentives and delivers data also great for bot farms. I'd be happy if it didn't exist at all.
I'm still enjoying a few of the smaller niche subreddits I'm subscribed to. And worldnews' live thread about the Ukraine war is still good. Otherwise I'm not really engaging any more, and once those niche subreddits start winking out over time I'll probably stop. Or they remove old.reddit.
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