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AuthorInkwell, in There's no karma? [OC]
@AuthorInkwell@kbin.social avatar

We don't worry about silly things like 'karma'. We have transcended such things to embrace the True Internet.

CapgrasDelusion, in iOS Reddit app Narwhal not going anywhere

Up to $7 per month to browse Reddit? I guess if people are willing to pay it then that's their business. I'm happy over here, personally.

HandsHurtLoL,

I would have been willing to pay reddit $3 directly if it meant avoiding ads entirely before all of this blew up.

jerome,
@jerome@kbin.social avatar

Make their content for them AND pay them for the privilege.

HandsHurtLoL,

Ehh, don't interpret me as being in favor of HOAs, but like, if $3 helped me connect with a huge userbase over the hobbies I enjoy, I'm willing to pay it to live in a gated online community.

My hobbies are not tech related. I have not found a new home or sense of community on kbin. That's just the reality of what I've lost by boycotting reddit on principle. In my offline world, I have paid to be a member of hobby communities just to offset the costs of organizing events and reserving group spaces. Arguably, I'm paying for the privilege to go there and "share content" through my presence. This isn't a big deal to me if I'm engaging the platform.

$3 would be a steal if I were a power user. $3 might be not worth it if I'm just a lurker.

copium,

People paid subscription to Apollo tho

fiofiofio,
@fiofiofio@kbin.social avatar

$13 a year or $1.50 a month for Apollo - not that much

pizza_rolls,
@pizza_rolls@kbin.social avatar

I paid like $2 for the premium version of rif forever lol

HandsHurtLoL, in banning and defederating communities

I am hoping that the new users are coming here with the intent to learn how this community works, before we try to remake the community we just left.

I counter this part of your post by throwing in there that for me and my time on reddit, the worst parts of the broader experience were the fact that communities of neo-nazis (r/conservative, r/conspiracy), Donald Trump cultists (r/the Donald), incels (numerous subreddits including r/incels and r/theredpill), and pedophiles (r/just18 among other porn based subreddits that were quarantined and banned several years ago) were allowed their own communities on the platform for as long as they were. This gave these horrible ideas time to draw attention and build a userbase that then degraded the quality of reddit across multiple other communities.

If kbin or lemmyworld immediately start banning or defederating these instances or communities/magazines, then to me that is how this larger community works and it is inherently not former redditors migrating here to shape the Fediverse in the image of reddit.

Lileath,
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I eventually couldnt even browse r/all without seeing bigoted and generally fascist remarks getting thousands of upvotes with hardly any people that debated their takes not getting two to three digits of downvotes.

Jcb2016, in iOS Reddit app Narwhal not going anywhere

Who cares, narwhal app sucks narwhal 2 is probably promising. they will change or the price will fluxuate depending on the api calls power users use. What's the point. you will be browsing and worrying about rate limits and if you have to pay more even though you just paid for the subscription.

darknavi, in iOS Reddit app Narwhal not going anywhere
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Good luck to them. Reddit’s API pricing makes no sense for scaling between power users and casual users.

The fact that they didn’t just bundle 3rd party apps into reddit premium is mind boggling to me.

kbity,
@kbity@kbin.social avatar

The way they've handled this whole situation heavily suggests they don't want a fair share of the revenue from third-party apps, they want those apps to die. Especially considering how aggressively the official app is pushed on the mobile site, which is now borderline useless. I'm guessing it slurps up a lot of sensitive, monetisable data that third-party alternatives don't send them.

sickmatter,
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And here I assumed the massive troves of vote data were themselves valuable. Guess not.

DarthYoshiBoy,
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I had reddit premium before, and I'd have picked it back up in a second if it had been the cost to keep using RiF. Shame that they never intended to allow 3rd party apps to keep going. They're going to hold Narwhal up as an example that they're working with 3rd parties while doing nothing of the sort in any real terms. They'll likely turn the screws so hard on the Narwhal dev after the heat cools that Narwhal dev is going to wish they had just bailed before Reddit bent them over the barrel.

Spiracle, in banning and defederating communities
@Spiracle@kbin.social avatar

Personally, I prefer individual users being empowered to easily block instances over instances blocking stuff "for" the users in most cases. Issues:

  1. Users from other instances can still require mod actions. Moderation time is limited. Defederating from more problematic instances can be necessary if they cause more trouble than can be easily dealt with.
  2. It is important for instance owners to achieve a coherent "front page" which includes the wider fediverse. I’m unsure if it is possible to ban individual instances from the frontpage while still allowing users to specifically visit them as they want.
  3. Some instances are legally ambiguous or even contain content fully illegal in some countries.

I did for some research. Basically, all the top-defederated instances on this list are so for good reasons, often even legal reasons: https://fba.ryona.agency/scoreboard?blocked=100

Note that if you click on an instance, it will show you the various admin reasons for why people defederated.


The one I saw someone asking to be removed (exploding heads) seemed to be more normal discussion with a big extra dose of edgy humor magazines and swear words. This includes various slurs and straight up racism. This very much falls into the category of "I don’t want those here, but I’d prefer if users can still visit them" for me.

However, Lemmy.world admins have compiled some issues these users being, including harassing DMs to users. See for yourself: https://kbin.social/m/lemmyworld@lemmy.world/t/107898/Lemmy-world-Admin-Response-to-Defederation-from-Exploding-Heads#comments

Specifically, admins and community moderators of that instance were the problem. This seems like it would quickly fall into the "unfeasible to moderate on a case-by-case basis" category. Therefore, the nuclear option of defederation may be necessary.

spicy_biscuits, in banning and defederating communities
@spicy_biscuits@kbin.social avatar

I also have recently left Reddit. And I am all for blocking content that contains hate speech. Allowing fascist content to take root is unacceptable.

hiyaaaaa23, in banning and defederating communities

“communities existsting in their own spaces”

In some sense that is what defederating does, no?

phi1997,

In fact, defederating can ensure communities can continue to exist in their own spaces without being harassed or being subject to bigotry

CtrlAltDelicious,

Is kbin a community, or a platform for communities to run on? I'm subbed to maybe 20 magazines now, and I can't even tell you which one comes from which server.

I think of magazines as communities, and servers as enablers of the platform they run on. Sure there are purpose-built servers around a topic, but as a data point of 1, I haven't joined kbin to be a part of kbin community, I joined because it seemed to be the most reliable provider for me to reach communities across fediverse.

wahming,

Is kbin a community, or a platform for communities to run on?

Both, that distinction doesn't work very well for the new fediverse model.

Bishma, in iOS Reddit app Narwhal not going anywhere
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This might be a tough one were I still using Reddit. I want to pay devs who do good work but I don’t want my money to, in turn, pay Reddit so they can claim my content as their own.

jerome,
@jerome@kbin.social avatar

Me too. I abandoned my Digg account and now my Reddit account. Principles over penis.

letsroll,
@letsroll@kbin.social avatar

True -- at that point you're paying reddit for the privilege of helping them succeed, and you wonder was it worth it? After all the lies you were told, you're not so sure, but as their foot presses down on your hands you go back to work, ignoring their long shadows as sunset falls and they murmur to each other, "type faster, monkey."

ImplyingImplications, in banning and defederating communities

I am hoping that the new users are coming here with the intent to learn how this community works, before we try to remake the community we just left.

Yeah go and take a stroll through those instances and you’ll see quickly why their posts aren’t welcomed here.

UnfortunateShort, in banning and defederating communities

The reason I am on lemmy.world is that so far, they have basically blocked nothing and that is the experience I'm looking for. I want to be the one who decides what I see.

That said, others prefer a more curated experience and thus choose other instances. That's the beauty of the fediverse, you can have both.

ada,
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The reason I am on lemmy.world is that so far, they have basically blocked nothing

lemmy.world/instances

activepeople,

didn't lemmy.world just defederate from exploding heads tho?

https://lemmy.world/post/747912

BaldProphet, in banning and defederating communities
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Seems to be popular to defederate from right-leaning instances. The Fediverse basically started as a far-left stronghold, so it isn't surprising.

CookieJarObserver,
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Most instances also defederated from lemmygrad (commies) so its not generally politically left either.

Also there is the problem of liability, if a instance hosts stuff that is legal where their server stands, but isn't where yours is, you basically need to do it. (Burggit.moe for example, also LemmyNSFW)

Porn in general is also defederated by many because its problematic to moderate.

And then there are instances that just brigade a lot or make bots on mass that spam. They usually get blocked as well.

Last but not least, if your instance defederated nothing it will be defederated because its seen as unmoderated (wich could potentially result in illegal activities)

NotAPenguin,

Tankies, not just commies

HelixDab,

Most instances also defederated from lemmygrad (commies) so its not generally politically left either.

IMO, Stalinists aren't exactly tolerant either. You're still talking about a totalitarian and authoritarian viewpoint, even if they're on the left on economic matters.

IMO, if your point is to make a community welcoming, then you have to get rid of intolerant voices. That--broadly speaking--means that you have to remove people advocating for any kind of absolutist, authoritarian rules. It's easy to see at a macro level, but it's all fuzzy at a micro level.

BaldProphet,
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A lot of people in the Fediverse don't seem to appreciate the concept that the political left is just as capable of intolerance and extremism as the political right.

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  • BaldProphet,
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    I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about the political spectrum. There is no "Right-Wing Party", nor is there a "Left-Wing Party". Conservatives and liberals can be found in both of the actual dominant American parties.

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  • BaldProphet,
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    Haha another unfriendly troll rears its ugly head. Goodbye.

    HelixDab,

    Anyone that is familiar with the ways that communism has existed in Warsaw-pact countries, in China, in southeast Asia in general, etc., should be able to see that. LGBTQ+ people were, if anything, even more fucked in most communist countries. There certainly wasn't any meaningful religious tolerance, since religion was banned in at least some communist countries (or wholly controlled by the gov't).

    I'm in favor of communism in principle, but not in practice. I'd love to live in a commune, but I don't think I'd want to live in a communist country.

    cacheson,
    @cacheson@kbin.social avatar

    I'm in favor of communism in principle, but not in practice. I'd love to live in a commune, but I don't think I'd want to live in a communist country.

    You might be interested in anarcho-communism. I'm not one myself, but they're the only kind of communists that I'm okay with.

    CookieJarObserver,
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    Faschism and Stalinism is just different in who they want to dispose of mostly. The Intersection of their policies is gigantic.

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    Th4tGuyII, in Protests broke Reddit hack for useful Google search results—and Google knows it
    @Th4tGuyII@kbin.social avatar

    It's a shame really. The Reddit hack really was the only way to get around all the SEO crap invading your search results.

    Glad Google seems to be, at least briefly, realising the problem. People want actual answers, not useless crap designed to look like them.

    sogekingfisher,

    I’d like to see a search engine that has a setting to just search forums. Organic user generated content is where most of the valuable information is, at least for troubleshooting/ product recommendations/ hobbies.

    Th4tGuyII,
    @Th4tGuyII@kbin.social avatar

    Certainly for niche stuff, it is one of the best ways to get any information period.

    cassetti, in I still appear on Google and I edited and deleted all my comments, this is BS!

    I'm writing a program and going to wait several months before I overwrite my content - slowly one post per minute. Then after finishing that (over several months), I plan to set the code to slowly delete the posts, one by one.

    I spent years writing content for reddit to share with the world. If they won't share with the world, they won't get a copy either.

    soundasleep,
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    I want to do something very similar to this!

    1. download all my content (still waiting on that one)
    2. put all my comments on my personal website each with a unique ID
    3. edit each post on reddit to point to the content on my website, that way I maintain control but the internet doesn't lose information

    do you think your software could do this? :D

    cassetti,

    Don't know! I have a bit of experience using Auto-It so I'm going to try and program it to tab through the old.reddit page and edit each post then move on to the next post. I assume using the edit button I could copy all text, then write it to a word document in something like an XML format which could then be imported into software.

    But again, this is all based on theory, I haven't done any actual code or testing yet. Just based on previous experiences making simple programs to access websites and do specific things via a browser to mimic human interactions with the site. It's a very slow unreliable and inefficient way of doing things lol

    LollerCorleone, in I still appear on Google and I edited and deleted all my comments, this is BS!
    @LollerCorleone@kbin.social avatar

    Unless its something you are desperately trying to find, nothing disappears from the internet.

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