asklemmy

This magazine is from a federated server and may be incomplete. Browse more on the original instance.

lemmybrucelee, in Why do Gezendong-style-tankies support Putin and Xi-Xinpin so much ?

I get called a tankie for pointing out the US role in destabilizing Ukraine and supporting the coup there than led directly to the civil war in Donbass. Don’t support Putin at all. Totally anti wal but painted as a 'putin apologist ’ for bringing up facts. There is a historical context totally missing in western media because the US wanted this proxy war. And are working overtime to control the narrative and prevent people from understanding the history that made the war inevitable.

dumdum666,

Could you elaborate on the „coup“? Are you talking about the democratic elections that took place?

lemmybrucelee,

Google Victoria Newland saying ‘yatz is our guy’

Jajcus,

They probably mean Ukrainian citizens ditching a 'democratically elected' president who they didn't like, because he tried to make Ukraine more Russian than European.

But that is still a democracy in work, when this is what most of citizens want. Especially when later democratic elections prove that (as it happened in Ukraine). Russia should not intervene, but they did and this destabilized the situation.

TZUI1hRq,

Democracy isn't a violent street putsch forcing the elected president to flee the country.

ManWithAHammer,

“I’m not a Putin apologist, I just coincidentally reach the same talking points as Russian propaganda through my totally unbiased research!”

GlowingLantern,
@GlowingLantern@feddit.de avatar

Putin was forced to start a proxy war, shoot down a passenger plane, annex Crimea, invade the whole of Ukraine and commit multiple war crimes, because the people didn’t elect his friends, you see. /s

TZUI1hRq,

I'm not a Saddam, I just coincidentally reached the same talking points as Iraqi propaganda through my totally unbiased research.

Caoldence222,

russian propaganda is actually far beyond this, claiming that they are saving the people of the donbas from genocidal ukrainian nazis, which that guy didn’t say. Saying “hey maybe this isn’t as one-sided as western media makes it out to be” is actually closer to a centrist position

cwagner,

I get called a tankie for pointing out the US role in destabilizing Ukraine and supporting the coup there than led directly to the civil war in Donbass.

Well, now I’m curious. I know next to nothing about this, I barely knew where Ukraine was before 2016, so please share ;)

DreamerOfImprobableDreams,
skillissuer,

look up orange revolution, putin fanboys get paranoid of imaginary color revolutions since then

elroon,

There was no US destabilising Ukraine, there was no coup, those are taken right from the Kremlin book of propaganda.

There were civil society protests in Ukraine in 2014 to oppose government’s withdrawal from EU talks. Ukrainian government, then backed by Russia, used brutal force against civilians while Russia “secretly” and illegally annexed Crimea (as always with them, firstly not acknowledging anything, using so called little green men, russian soldiers without proper markings, who later got medals for it).

At he same time, Russia invaded Donbas, again “secretly”, talking about “civil war”, but it was no civil war. The so called separatists were controlled by Moscow, supplied heavy weapons and even commanders by Moscow.

Eight years later, they invaded massively and openly, bz make no mistake, Russia’s attempt to destroy and landgrab Ukraine lasts way longer than that.

maynarkh,

OP is referring to the fact that the Ukrainian parliament was cozying up to the West, as the West was trying to get it as a close trade partner, which would have circumvented Ukraine’s reliance on Russia, effectively pulling it from Russia’s shrinking sphere of influence over to the West. Also, the revolution that started the open conflict has allegedly had a lot of clandestine support from the US.

TZUI1hRq,
luthis,

I’m quite prepared to believe the US is involved here. There are lots of weapon sales and talk of investing in the rebuild.

Follow the money

Wolf_359,

The people of Ukraine didn’t want to be Russian, they wanted to be more like the West. Their leader at the time wanted Ukraine to get in bed with Russia and the rest of the East. They ousted him. Putin seized on their moment of weakness and instability by invading.

Could the US have played a role? Yeah but every country with the ability to project any power almost certainly did as well. That’s just geopolitics at work for better or worse.

Every single country on Earth exerts influence on the others to benefit themselves. Look at Ukraine cozying up with the West right now to get weapons and notice how the US, UK, and other Western nations are happily obliging. Ukraine wants to be Western and the West would love another long-term ally, especially one next to Russia. Anyone really think Eastern nations don’t do the same thing? China is exerting a ton of influence in Africa right now, and it’s not out of the goodness of their hearts - it’s quite predatory actually so they’re no different than the US in that regard.

lemmybrucelee,

The eastern part of Ukraine did want to be Russian.

China doesn’t require austerity for their loans like the IMF does.

Your talking points just show the depth of your understanding is limited and that’s not surprising. The information war is in full effect, it’s heavily funded, and truth is the first victim

Windex007,

“China doesn’t require austerity”

Please expand on exactly what you think this means.

lemmybrucelee,

Ok even though your query seems condescending I will assume it is in good faith. so when the IMF makes a loan they require ‘structural adjustment’ of the country borrowing money. In other words push down wages and privatize any state owned social services. This is common knowledge and there is a wealth of information available on this topic.

China is approaching the ‘belt and road’ lending program differently, focusing on a ‘win win’ for lender and borrower. That’s why they are so popular in the global south. Again tons of data including world bank analysis saying they need to change the lending model to compete.

I hope you can get access to a wider swath of data because there is so much propaganda in western media it’s almond impossible to parse.

Wolf_359,

The west isn’t the good guy but you’re nuts if you think China isn’t sucking Africa dry.

I just watched a documentary recently (I will genuinely try to find it again and link here if I can) where Native African workers were being put out of business by China in their own country. China is mining for rare Earth metals using Chinese workers and trapping a lot of these countries in debts they won’t be able to pay back. Once I saw it coming from the mouths of Native Africans, I knew it wasn’t propaganda from either side. Straight to the source - people who live there and see it every day. They start out very grateful for China’s assistance and then later on realize the trap they are in.

Here is some other info: apnews.com/…/china-debt-banking-loans-financial-d…

ZeroCarbon,

There’s plenty of info of African leaders thanking China approach in Africa. African leaders are not dumb , if China offers a better credit card and infrastructure plans than some western countries they will choose that. Yes, it’s that simple.

sarsaparilyptus,

“I’m not a tankie, I just parrot all of their talking points and their weird, myopic rhetorical style.”

stilgar,
@stilgar@infosec.pub avatar

This is an excellent lecture (though admittedly quite long) which provides some much needed context on these issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

Caruso,

The Maidan revolution happened because the Ukrainian parliament had been working on a trade agreement with the EU. Then Russian puppet Yanukovych gets elected and through Russian pressure discards this agreement completely. The Ukrainian people tired of living under Putins boot, much like Belarusian people still do, had a revolution which lead to the police killing many people. Once the revolution was over Russia immediately invaded Crimea. Painting Ukrainian independence not as an act of self determination but as American meddling is Russian propaganda. Painting Russian military invasion not as a military invasion but requirement from western aggression is also Russian propaganda. Stop supporting authoritarian regimes, they’re not your friend. Something the Ukrainian people have had to learn with their blood.

lemmybrucelee,

Living under Putin’s boot? What? So now you get to live under Goldman Sachs and Blackrocks boot while all leftist parties are banned in the Ukraine and everything is sold off to foreign investors. And while we’re talking about authoritarian regimes there are a bunch of people in Gitmo that have never been tried, still in jail. Julian Assange in jail. More people in jail than any other country in history is the current US record. Please. Tell me all about authoritarian regimes lol

effingjoe,
@effingjoe@kbin.social avatar

We might have figured out why you get called a tankie, friend.

Caoldence222,

He’s right though

effingjoe,
@effingjoe@kbin.social avatar

Right about what? Using whataboutism to spread russian propaganda?

TZUI1hRq,

I did not know that the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation was a Russian propaganda outlet.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-embassy-used-as-safe-haven-during-ukraine-uprising-investigation-finds-1.3148719

Dirk, in Craziest YouTube Video ID?
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

You can search that on Google.

Kodemystic, in What's a quote that has stuck with you for your whole life?
@Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev avatar

“What stands in the way becomes the way.” M.A.

ChaosInstructor, in what band/song are you kinda ashamed you listening to as a kid?

let’s really show ones age…not really embarrassed, but it is not something i listen to today. Top pops - Mammy blue

RustedSwitch,
@RustedSwitch@lemmy.world avatar

I’m browsing lemmy from Memmy (iOS app), and had to triple-read your post before my brain would register it as Mammy.

danie10, in Is it normal for a person to "feel" less as they get older?
@danie10@lemmy.ml avatar

Well firstly your senses do start dulling (eyesight, hearing), and secondly you have way more context on the world itself (the mortgage bond, climate change, pollution, family responsibilities, social media trolls, the fragility of bones and life, etc). So I suppose your brain is less focussed on the moment, and you’ve got a bit cynical about life ;-)

I accept that the way I looked at life and moments at 15, 25 and 50 are fairly different. Decisions I took at 25 were right for me then, but today I would have decided differently, but then I would not be where I am today either.

ulu_mulu, in How can I filter my Lemmy feed by language?
@ulu_mulu@lemmy.world avatar

I’m doing it exactly like I was doing it on reddit, that is, build up my personal home page with all the communities I want to see then I changed my settings to default to subscribed when opening Lemmy instead of All.

Every now and then I check the list of all communities to see if there’s something new worth following, that way it’s also easier to avoid communities that do a lot of spamming, overwhelming the smaller (more interesting IMO) ones.

Magrid, in How can I filter my Lemmy feed by language?
@Magrid@lemm.ee avatar

try going in the Lemmy settings and select your language, but note that most of the post is marked as “undefined” so it probably won’t make a big difference

theNoob,

Thanks. I’m using Android apps for Lemmy and Jerboa, Connect & Liftoff don’t show those settings. I just found them using Chrome

Magrid,
@Magrid@lemm.ee avatar

doesn’t Jerboa have it? If I remember correctly I saw it

TeaHands, in How can I filter my Lemmy feed by language?
@TeaHands@lemmy.world avatar

Select “undetermined” and “english” in your profile language settings. Plus whatever else you speak, obviously.

GlowingLantern, in What replacement for each major social media do you use
@GlowingLantern@feddit.de avatar

Matrix is the best Messenger/Discord replacement, because you can still bridge content to other services, if they don’t want to switch to Matrix. Plus, it’s distributed like XMPP or ActivityPub so you can self-host, use different providers and apps.

Edit: Lemmy also uses Matrix for encrypted DMs

Sikeen,
@Sikeen@lemmy.ml avatar

Lemmy also uses Matrix for encrypted DMs

that’s sick! didn’t know that, oughta check that out then. is there anywhere they discuss/explain that?

GlowingLantern,
@GlowingLantern@feddit.de avatar

It’s not fully integrated in the sense that you can use your Lemmy account to message over Matrix. Rather, you can add your existing Matrix handle to your profile and then a fancy “Send Secure Message” button is displayed under your profile, which just links to your Matrix account. I like the simplicity of it, as it leaves the security aspects to apps and services that have considerably more resources than Lemmy has at the moment (Element and Matrix are being used and improved by different governments, militaries, and other organisations).

EDIT: Element has started using Rust for their back-end implementation, so maybe Lemmy can use that library one day as well.

Sikeen,
@Sikeen@lemmy.ml avatar

still really cool tho - them integrating other open standard

hsl, in Why do Gezendong-style-tankies support Putin and Xi-Xinpin so much ?
@hsl@wayfarershaven.eu avatar

Removing under rule #2 - this is political and the question is already slanted.

maynarkh,

Are political questions out of scope for this community? There is no rule like that in the sidebar.

venorathebarbarian,

In “Community Info” rule 2 says they don’t have the bandwidth to moderate political discussion.

*Not taking a side, just supplying information.

maynarkh,

Yeah, maybe I should try to read more carefully.

MigratingtoLemmy, in Is it normal for a person to "feel" less as they get older?

I am lucky in the sense that I like specific things; and the feeling of liking them hasn’t faded. However, the phenomenon you’re likely pointing to is simply being more jaded as an adult

fred-kowalski,

For me, it’s about context and scope. The wide open wonder of my youth has been replaced by little epiphanies of experience. A bite of really good food, or music, or a great joke can bring me a startling amount of joy. A lot of my awe has also been replaced by satisfaction and appreciation. Getting old sucks undeniably, but there are compensations.

Cheery, in Which learning path makes the most amount of sense?

As a front-end developer with 10 years of experience, I’d suggest going with JavaScript. It’s one language for both stacks, you can learn the core front and back end ideologies, and if you decide to go with a different language for back-end, it shouldn’t take too much time to learn afterwards. From my experience it would be easier both to learn and potentially to get a job in the field.

nawordar, in What's the point of buying new phones every years?

My Galaxy S8 had a lot of annoying problems both on stock ROM and Lineage OS. After three years I switched to Zenfone 8 and so far I am satisfied. The battery life is crap though, especially after updating to Android 13. I’m considering a downgrade if it’s even possible

sexy_peach, in Do you think Technology makes us more lonely...?

I think that it’s a common myth. In certain situations it can be true, but not generally.

It’s a case of people thinking the past was better than it actually was.

gary_host_laptop,
@gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml avatar

Like that picture in the train with ppl with phones and before with ppl with papers.

ttmrichter,
@ttmrichter@lemmy.ml avatar

Show me now a picture of people walking around public spaces reading papers.

starman,
@starman@programming.dev avatar
WeLoveCastingSpelz, in Do you think Technology makes us more lonely...?

Technology is but a tool, If someone prefers looking at their phone than dealing with you it’s a you ptoblem

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • asklemmy@lemmy.ml
  • localhost
  • All magazines
  • Loading…
    Loading the web debug toolbar…
    Attempt #