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dezmd, in So is the US slipping into Civil War?
@dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

Lol no.

JoBo, in What software do you wish that existed?

Not so much software as an element that needs to be part of so much software but, for some unfathomable reason, is not:

Picklists which work properly. If I type “U”, do not give me a screen full of Ts with the first U at the bottom. And let me type more than one letter to get to exactly where I need to be in the list. It can be done but it rarely is done and it does my head in.

Also, if you must include a scroll wheel to enter numbers, make it possible to just fucking type the numbers instead.

This is probably not what you intended this thread for but I’ll take any chance I get to ask UI designers to get a fucking grip…

midori,

I like a good rant. Got any more?

JoBo, (edited )

Software developers who never have, and never will have to, use the software for real. I think every coder should be forced to use their own software for one month out of every year they work on it (and be able to do the job that goes with it because how the fuck else are they going to get a clue?).

And fucking stop making PC software that looks like it was designed to be used on a phone. I cannot do my job on a phone, no one would ever do my job on a phone, everyone who does my job has at least two large screens. We do not want to click a million times to do one simple task, and we do want to be able to see masses of information at the same time.

/rant

fsr1967,

I think every coder should be forced to use their own software for one month out of every year they work on it (and be able to do the job that goes with it because how the fuck else are they going to get a clue?).

At my company, all developers spend time every year in customer support. It gives us first hand experience with what our customers are running into and asking for. We also work directly with field consultants on their projects. It’s not exactly this, but it’s pretty close, and it works really well.

JoBo,

That must help a lot. But often, when I am quietly cursing them, I just want to make them shadow me for a day to see, and feel, the impact of their ridiculous decisions. We have given them written explanations, had meetings, shown screenshots. But nothing gets through. If they had to spend a day a week using it, they might actually do something about it.

fsr1967,

We have given them written explanations, had meetings, shown screenshots. But nothing gets through.

They’re not paying attention, then. If they used it for a week, they’d probably just write off any problems as “eh, that’s how it’s designed.”

Some folks just don’t get that there’s more to writing software than the code. The human element is super important.

aaaantoine,

Software developers who never have, and never will have to, use the software for real.

Yes. The customer doesn’t necessarily know what’s possible or know how to articulate what features they want. I spent one week in a position where I was using my own software for production and immediately made several simple enhancements once I had hands on experience with the expected business process.

Every programmer should go through an exercise like this at least once in a while.

JoBo,

I am quite old, so remember the transition from scientists writing their own software to systems analysts who specialised in writing software that was fit for purpose. And that was exactly the ideal: the systems analyst was supposed to be someone who could code as well as their programmers could and understand the job the software was designed for as well as the customer did.

None of that seems to have happened. Some of the kids who could code got lucky with billion dollar jackpots from very low hanging fruit. And ever since, we’ve just been hit by waves of kids who can code going straight into software development with absolutely no experience of how work works.

It’s a difficult problem to solve. I have an aunt who developed software in the '60s and '70s who had to retire early because the languages she used became obsolete (apart from a brief bounce running up to Y2K). But it is a problem we absolutely have to solve. So much shitty software, wasting so much effort, for the developers and users alike.

intensely_human,

Here’s a basic UI thing that needs to happen: spatially stable navigation.

When I scroll up, something should not appear unless it was just hidden by my scrolling down.

When I hit “back”, I should always be where I just was.

These are, in some ways, the same thing. Scrolling up on a webpage is, quite often, intended as an “undo” for the previous scrolling-down action. When I scroll up, I want to see the last thing that disappeared under the upper fold. I don’t want to see your menu, which wasn’t there before.

mechoman444, in How do you cope with the state of the world today?

Constant masturbation, binge watching TV shows and marijuana.

SatanicNotMessianic, in So is the US slipping into Civil War?

It’s not a totally unreasonable impression, but no, this will not turn into a second civil war. The Guard units of each state can be called up for federal duty. The National Guard is part of the US Department of Defense and thus ultimately answers to the DoD and the US president as commander in chief. The US military has multiple components, including regular services (eg the full time Army), reserve components (eg US Army Reserve) and National Guard components. The latter two are part-time military with one weekend per month training duty plus an annual training. Guards members and Reservists hold regular full time jobs.

The Guard units are deployable by the governors of their respective states, and so can be used in emergency situations like natural disasters. They have also been deployed against what have been perceived as riots that threaten lives and properties of the individual states.

However, they are subject to activation by order of the US president and they fall under the national command authority. Guard personnel take the same oath to the constitution as other military personnel, and cannot legally refuse federal activation. Guards personnel would be subject to courts martial and face potentially extreme penalties including being discharged from service under criminal conditions, being stripped of rank and benefits, and jail time in federal prison. This would be what we call a career limiting rule.

So, if push comes to shove, Biden can activate the NG and order them to stand down or to implement policies to maintain order. Thinking the NG units and in particular their commanders would disobey a presidential order because they just love their state governor and hate the president so much is getting into Turner Diaries levels of right wing apocalyptic fantasy.

deweydecibel, (edited )

All of which misses a critical point:

The forming of the Confederacy wasn’t “legal” either.

We can handwave away concerns about mounting threats of violence by citing regulation and law, but none of that actually addresses the underlying issue that if these people want to start shit, they will find an avenue.

And let’s also not sit here, in 2024, and assume the institutions, norms, checks, and intended safeguards in our system will always work when they need to. We’ve seen far, far too many breakdowns and failures in our system over the last decade to believe otherwise.

gravitas_deficiency,

That’s what frustrates me so much about the framing of the situation we’re in right now: most people - and the vast majority of major media organizations - are fully intent on presenting this as “normal”, but it’s very fucking clearly not. It’s assumed by so many that the rules will simply be followed… and then they turn around and cover Trump, whose whole bit is to not follow the rules because he doesn’t feel like it and wants to stay in power forever. It’s like being unconcerned about standing 3 feet away from an uncaged, unleashed siberian tiger because someone once told you at one point that it had been “trained”.

SatanicNotMessianic,

You have to understand that the US military today is a very different organization than it was in the 1860s. I know - I served and majored in military history for my first undergraduate degree, and studied the civil war in particular. I also come from a military family with a father, grandfather, and uncle who served as officers until retirement age.

Far right domestic terrorism is a real and developing threat coming from both former military personnel and from civilians. The election of a far right government that shreds the constitution is also a major threat to American democracy. But if the shit does come down, it’s not going to be because some Guardsmen decide that they’d follow DeSantis over Biden.

Military justice is no joke. Falling on the wrong side of it can end people. The military is also very integrated and has political as well as ethnic diversity. I’m not saying you couldn’t find an Army colonel who wouldn’t want to engage in an armed rebellion, but the country today is very, very different than it was mid-19th century, and so is the military.

Please do note that I do see the rise of American fascism as a real threat. It’s just not going to manifest because state Guard orgs decide to disobey orders.

Scotty_Trees,
@Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world avatar

Since you studied the Civil War, I got a book from my grandfather before he passed, Don’t Know Much about The Civil War, by Kenneth C. Davis, and was wondering if you’ve read of heard of this book and if it would be a good resource or not to read about the Civil War? Or if you can recommend another book or author that is great for learning about the Civil War, I’d appreciate any helpful insights as I’m curious to learn more about the Civil War, thank you.

SatanicNotMessianic,

The Battle Cry of Freedom is pretty widely seen as being one of the best introductions to the civil war.

Scotty_Trees,
@Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you! Luckily it’s at my local library so I’ll pick this up first thing tomorrow if they’re open, appreciate your help!

Promethiel,
@Promethiel@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you for sharing this insight! It’s frustrating to hear everyone everywhere speculate about how easily the active military would turn, not considering…well, everything you wrote.

Yeah, ex-military of course is part of the brainwashed; nowhere else in the civilian world (outside of mercenary work) is warfare conducting knowledge of direct use.

Add that our Government has not always done even the bare minimum for our vets, and you got a recipe for the radicalization of the “disenfranchised warriors” (quotation because I don’t consider oathbreakers worthy of any title).

They’re gonna fall and listen to the honeyed words of Fascism in a different, harder way than your average civilian. That’s a call to something they amongst the rest of their group are genuinely and tangibly valuable for–until they aren’t.

Please do note that I do see the rise of American fascism as a real threat. It’s just not going to manifest because state Guard orgs decide to disobey orders.

Same, and I do still worry for the death tolls. That “theirs” (the civilians, who can be said to not know better) would be orders of magnitude higher than any on the military’s side doesn’t mean I’d like to see deaths on either side.

winterayars,

They have also been deployed against what have been perceived as riots that threaten lives and properties of the individual states.

Yeah, like when they got called up against random citizens in Minneapolis…

Vanth,
@Vanth@reddthat.com avatar

I hope you are right. I am sure there are some Guardsmen who see themselves as Texas soldiers over US, and I am concerned that the number is growing. After all, someone voted in these state politicians who are laying deadly traps intending to kill brown people.

deweydecibel,

Robert E Lee famously didn’t want to fight the North but didn’t think of himself as a traitor for doing so, because his loyalty was to his state first, to the US second. And that was a common mindset at the time.

SatanicNotMessianic,

I think it’s possible that there will be resentment, but those with rank would be risking everything for zero gain. It would be determined by the people who wear the birds and the stars, and although there have certainly been high ranking officers who have engaged in conduct we might consider treasonous, it’s simply not going to be a common enough occurrence.

A Handmaid’s Tale scenario, where the US goes down the path of a Christian theocracy, is a possibility that concerns me,

Vanth, (edited )
@Vanth@reddthat.com avatar

it’s simply not going to be a common enough occurrence.

Again, I hope so. I do not have strong confidence in this statement.

If you look across the entire US political spectrum and distribution of different beliefs, you are going to find very similar distribution within the military, if not edging slightly more right/Republican compared to the general US population. It takes one high-ish ranking officer engaging in rebellion for any like-minded lower ranking person to see that as permission and justification to do the same.

SatanicNotMessianic,

You also have to factor in the fact that the military today is not a bunch of guys with rifles. It is carrier battle groups, fighter jets, sophisticated artillery systems, and other platforms that require massive supply chains to deploy and maintain. That’s just what modern warfare is. US aircraft carriers alone are crewed by 5000+ people.

Raytheon, Northrop, and Lockheed are not going to side with Ohio against the US government. The question is about civil war, not about a single military unit going rogue until the members are arrested or killed. Keeping planes in the air and tanks running requires a lot more than Ohio can do. The Feds spend about a trillion dollars per year on the military, and some Confederate missile battery is going to be in trouble once they run low on things to shoot and when their vehicles start to break down.

I’m not a fan of the military industrial complex, to say the least, but it’s an absolutely necessary part of warfare today.

Vanth, (edited )
@Vanth@reddthat.com avatar

For sure. Any rebellious splinter faction would be low tech guerillas for a while. Now would they eventually open up to weapons from Russia or China? Interesting. I am sure Putin would jump on the opportunity. I think Xi would be a little more sensible and not openly cross the US.

SatanicNotMessianic,

The difficulty with that scenario is that the US is bound by two oceans and has a navy more powerful in some estimates than the rest of the navies in the world combined. Ukraine can be supplied because they’re contiguous with Western Europe. North Korea could be supplied by China, as could Vietnam. To supply the neo-confederates, Russia or China would have to cross an ocean and get past the US Navy, as well as the navies of other allied countries. Then they’d have to bring in the systems via either Mexico or Canada, both of which would be allied with the US.

I think you could imagine a scenario where they smuggle in small arms, but not artillery or other modern weapons systems.

GBU_28,

Unlikely, but if those ng declined federal call up, then all bets are off

mnemonicmonkeys,

You’ll find some dumb schmucks that refuse, but there’s no way the entire NG would refuse

GBU_28,

Right but I’m talking about the mechanics of how it would happen. Agree, logically that many would honor the federal oath

ChasingEnigma, in What software do you wish that existed?

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Noodle07, in How do you cope with the state of the world today?

Dark humor on lemmy and 10 hours of video games a day

Darkard, in So is the US slipping into Civil War?

It’s not a new civil war reason. It’s the same one as last time just packaged up a little different.

Racism

Eldritch,

It’s not even a new civil war. The last civil war only ended technically. In reality it went cold and has still been being waged all this time. It turned from a war of the rural South against the industrialised north. To a war on the industrialized from the rural.

JDubbleu,

I, for one, welcome the formation of the New California Republic. Washington and northern Oregon can join too if they’d like.

sagrotan, in So is the US slipping into Civil War?
@sagrotan@lemmy.world avatar

It always was.

eatthecake, in So is the US slipping into Civil War?

The disunited states has gone post-truth. When two sides vying for power don’t agree on the nature of reality, ie immigration vs invasion, I don’t see how there can be any agreement or good faith negotiation. So how can the result be anything but war? Whoever invented the notion of alternative facts has a lot to answer for.

LovingHippieCat, in So is the US slipping into Civil War?

Highly unlikely this is what the civil war would be like. It’s not a state v state thing necessarily although that might be a small part of it. In the first civil war, the south unified and its people largely supported the war, except their slaves. It’s unlikely something like that will happen again. It’s not impossible but unlikely.

What is much more likely is rural v city. Even in red states, cities are blue and will often vote for blue policies. Rural areas are where things get dicey. They’ve been largely left behind by the surge in industry and general expansion of the capitalist economy we currently have (they’ve had a lot of businesses (including grocery stores) close because more people are leaving, and their rural towns are frequently having their hospitals close leaving large swaths of areas where the nearest hospital is an hour away). As such, they’ve got a grudge against the cities. What’s likely to happen is rural counties and their local governments trying to cut off their food supply, starving the cities to win the battle. There’s tons more possibilities, but this one I think is the one that’s got the highest likelihood.

Another possibility that is scary, but is highly dependent on the party of the people in power, is the government using their power to actually strike the cities, like in Syria where Assad bombed and used chemical weapons on his own people. Syria is actually a pretty good example of what more modern civil wars are like, or can be like. Governments v rebels and militias, and cities v rural (although there’s much less rural land in Syria).

If you’re interested, the podcast It Could Happen Here has a great first season where they go over possible disasters including a civil war and a pandemic (it was actually made in 2019 so before covid). It’s really helpful and can teach a lot, especially for an outsider from across the pond. It also does a lot better job giving an explanation and actual sources.

Hope this helps since it didn’t seem like you were getting a real answer.

NeoNachtwaechter,

What is much more likely is rural v city.

Isn’t it even more likely trump disciples vs reasonable people?

Zoboomafoo,

I also recommend It Could Happen Here

drcobaltjedi,

I had to stop listening to ICHH it gave me way too much anxiety and was just too stressed back when i listened in 2020. I’ve since taken up to instead listen to BTB and cool people who did cool stuff off the same network. Monsters that are usually dead and people who kick ass make me feel better.

prettybunnys,

Another thing the world ought to know is that the folks who are identified by “red” and “right” in America are in the minority.

Significantly so.

However our voting system uses geography / land as a modifier so while there are less of them they occupy a larger land mass and have an outsized vote strength because of that.

When total votes in a state can be split 45-55 but the delegates go 90-10 there is a problem

skulblaka,

Another fun thing about that is that most folks who identify “red” or “right” actually aren’t paying enough attention to know that. Go ask them, they think people like them make up 70% or more of the country. If they do try to activate their little civil war they are going to find themselves very quickly surrounded by folks who do not like them at all, as their expected 200-million strong army ends up actually only being 1.5 million people spread out over 30,000+ square miles. Watching the realization dawn on them might actually even be fun if it weren’t a herald of Troubles for America.

deweydecibel, (edited )

The geographical separation of slave states by an actual border allowed the first Civil War to take place on a stage perfectly suited for traditional warfare. North/South division and the formal joining of the Confederacy by state governments kept it all straightforward. Point South and tell the generals “Go.”

It definitely won’t be that simple again.

Danterious, in So is the US slipping into Civil War?

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised.

Like even if this thing with states acting up doesn’t work out the people they are speaking too are definitely gonna still be riled up.

It seems obvious to me that they are probably planning something for the upcoming election since they would try and make sure that another “election steal” wouldn’t happen again.

The only way that I see this not turning into a civil war is for government to somehow change the conversation drastically so that people aren’t asking these questions.

Because if people begin asking these questions then people planning to do stuff are gonna be even more anxious and try and do the thing earlier.

I’m not sure how they would change the conversation though because all the republican population is going to just ignore them and still think we are heading towards a civil war making it just more likely to happen.

HootinNHollerin, (edited ) in How do you cope with the state of the world today?

Ingenuity: The helicopter drone that flew on Mars for the last 2.5 years when it was expected to fly just a few times. It is the embodiment of human achievement. Of our minds in this great unknown. I get so wrapped up in politics and war and social issues, then if I think of Ingenuity it scales all these issues down and makes me feel like a fool for that last period of time I’ve been lost. Science and engineering to further the incredible human story of understanding is everything and that is how I am able to reset where we are in this and where we can go.

joel1974, in So is the US slipping into Civil War?

Look how the military treated people in Iraq. Wait until the National Guard gets more involved.

cashews_best_nut,

Joel? Is that you?

joel1974,

What do you mean?

cashews_best_nut,

Are you Joel? I know you!

joel1974,

From where?

cashews_best_nut,

It’s me Joel!! Don’t you recognise me?

joel1974,

From the restaurant.

cashews_best_nut,

That#'s right! You remembered. From the restaurant in town. How are you?

joel1974,

Good. How is Ellen?

Shiggles,

There is a fine limit on malarky, upon exceeding their malarky quota we glass texas.

Zoboomafoo,

Look how the military treated people in Iraq

Better than the police treats people in the US?

joel1974, in So is the US slipping into Civil War?

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  • Lemminary,

    Why?

    LinkOpensChest_wav,

    He probably lives in an area where he wouldn’t be impacted too much and/or from a demographic that wouldn’t be directly persecuted.

    I’m terrified by the thought, on behalf of myself and others.

    hal_5700X, in So is the US slipping into Civil War?
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    No, Tim Pool.

    cashews_best_nut,

    I dunno who that is, sorry. :/

    Lemminary, (edited )

    Good, Dim Tool isn’t worth the attention.

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