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VubDapple, in Who in your opinion is the modern day equivalent to Mozart?

Stevens is more like Bach than like Mozart. Lots of repetition in his themes but layered and created in counterpoint like no other contemporary artist. Love that guy.

TropicalDingdong, in Who in your opinion is the modern day equivalent to Mozart?

No planet on which Sufjan Stevens is a Mozart.

Uncontroversial:

Radiohead

David Bowie

Daft punk

Controversial:

Kanye

Terrible person, but then again that wasn’t the question.

satanmat, in Who in your opinion is the modern day equivalent to Mozart?

Ummm

Prince.

Music fell out of him. He accidentally walked by a bass and it exploded from the funk.

Talent for days. (See also RRHoF playing “while my guitar gently weeps”)

Second vote would be Trent Reznor or Danny Elfman

ElBarto,
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Plus the moment he made it rain during his Superbowl show whilst playing purple rain.

I don’t care what anyone says, it rained because of prince.

satanmat,

Don’t care if it is apocryphal but when it started raining, he said “make it rain harder. “

Yes. He did make it rain that day.

Snapz, in What is Something Scientific that you just don't believe in at all?

The prompt is dangerous and indulgent for anti-science idiots. You don’t “believe in” science… Science is. You can choose to believe in fairy tales, conspiracy theories and other made up shit like religious dogma, don’t causally equate the two categories - ESPECIALLY not while naming science directly. Maybe say, “what’s a thing that you can’t believe it’s real?” If you need to post.

I see your edit, but it’s still a bullshit post, OP.

afraid_of_zombies,

I don’t see the issue. Here is the truth, do you believe in it or not? Plenty of stuff I have had a hard time accepting which is another way of saying I didn’t believe it. That doesn’t mean I gave up.

dumpsterlid, (edited )

Science absolutely involves belief, the idea that the scientific method is a divorced concept from belief might fly in a badly written Wikipedia article description but in terms of actual science, belief absolutely factors massively into science. So does intuition.

Science is just a meaningless constellation of data points without any belief to connect them. One has to be very careful and continually retrospective about what those beliefs are, but it is absurd on the face of it to say that science is magically outside belief.

Science isn’t a collection of facts, it is a collection of questions that arise from hypotheses that themselves arise from belief and intuition. Just because that is scary and opens up the door to conversations about how belief always shapes our thoughts and actions even when it is in the context of science doesn’t mean you can just slam the door and demand that somehow science doesn’t include these things.

What differentiates science from other things is the intentional practice of questioning one’s conscious and subconscious beliefs, not the absence of belief.

Authoritarian minded centrists always want to bludgeon people with the idea that science is just a set of facts handed down by authority, but that is a lazy and ultimately fundamentally incorrect way to understand and advocate for science. The mistake we made was letting the word “skeptic” be redefined from a lifelong practice of questioning one’s own beliefs to being what some random person who knows nothing about a subject is when they just decide not to believe in something for no good reason.

tiny_electron,

I disagree. Science is making models to explain the data and testing them. Whichever model fits best the data becomes a leading theory. There is no belief whatsoever.

This aside, I agree with you that many people tend to mistake scientific theories for reality, they are merely good models. Thinking otherwise is belief.

Let’s say the universe is a clock that we can’t open. Even if we make a perfect model that predicts the exact motion of the hands, it doesn’t tell us anything about what is inside the clock (it could be anything really). Belief is when you start believing your model IS what is inside the clock.

dumpsterlid, (edited )

I understand that this is a nice way to teach kids how science works, but if you don’t think belief factors into every single thing that humans do in science you are massively off the mark.

Without belief or intuition, it’s just data.

tiny_electron,

Even if belief is very present in human nature, the scientific method is not a form of belief because it is just selectionning the model that fits best the data.

Coming up with models does not necessarily require intuition either when we can automate this process.

Belief is human, but science is universal.

freeindv,

Theory == belief.

tiny_electron, (edited )

Religion is not a theory because it cannot be falsified.

And the theory of evolution is not belief as it can be observed in real time in labs with flies for exemple.

Your equality is therefore incorrect.

Edit: typo

freeindv,

the theory of evolution is not belief as it can be observed in real time in labs with files for exemple.

I don’t believe that’s the same effect we see in humans

tiny_electron,

I agree it is not straightforward. Evolution arises from gene reproduction, flies are just one easy example because they reproduce very fast. Humans are also using genes reproduction and our evolution can be also be traced. The evidence for evolution is everywhere and it is the simplest explanation that fits all the data.

freeindv,

Why do you believe that humans act the same way flies do?

tiny_electron,

Flies are very different than humans, but they are built using the same building blocks and processes.

It is not belief it is observation: humans are composed of cells that contain chromosomes. Genetic data is mixed with errors during reproduction (both with flies and humans) resulting in different characteristics in the individuals of the next generation (observable with flies and humans)

Sexual attactiveness of individuals will depend on their genes and their environment (also based on observation), which will impact their number of offspring, effectively selecting some genes and discarding others.

All of this is based on simple observation and you sée that belief has no place in this line of reasoning.

Of course there is more to flies and humans than evolution, yet evolution is such a simple process that it applies to both! Nature is truly amazing

freeindv,

That’s an interesting theory, but I do not believe it to be true

tiny_electron,

Where do you see belief in what I explained? I’m genuinely curious.

It can’t be the observations as you can make them for yourself, and you cannot find a model that fits the data better with less assumptions as it already fits the data perfectly and has no assumption beyond “organisms make copy of themselves with mutations”

Then what is it?

freeindv,

you cannot find a model that fits the data better with less assumptions as it already fits the data perfectly and has no assumption beyond “organisms make copy of themselves with mutations”

Why do you believe that?

tiny_electron,

It is just a logical statement. A theory must maximize data fitting and minimize assumption. You cannot beat a theory that fits all the data with only one assumption.

Sadly we are not having a debate as I’m giving arguments and you are not willing to criticize them on a core level. I hope other people find this one sided conversation useful.

freeindv,

I’m calling you on your fallacy that there is no belief whatsoever in believing in a scientific theory as the correct explanation for data.

captain_aggravated,
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Science is.

Umm. So here’s the thing. The scientific method is the best system we have for learning things about the world around us. The problem is scientists are humans.

There are papers published in reputable journals written by lobbyists and special interests to use the trappings and gravitas of science to push their agendas. There are medicines on the market that mostly or entirely don’t work because they were in use before the FDA was a thing. There are lots of papers written by academics entirely to keep the grant money coming, or edited by university management to prevent casting the school in a bad light.

Science, as an institution, is not infallible, and should be examined and audited.

And indeed, a core principle of the scientific method is incredulity. A scientist publishes something, you’re supposed to say “That doesn’t seem right, I don’t think I believe it.” and then repeat the experiment to see if you get the same result.

wabafee, (edited ) in What is Something Scientific that you just don't believe in at all?
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It took me awhile to accept it. But apparently planting trees on the wrong area could actually contribute to global warming. E.g. Planting on areas, traditionally has no trees, while reforesting would contribute to lowering temperature.

www.nature.com/articles/s43017-021-00233-0

I learned that from a recent documentary of the en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene_Park from Vice.

9point6, (edited ) in Who in your opinion is the modern day equivalent to Mozart?

Probably Radiohead

Or Trent Reznor

Snowpix, in What is an obscure piece of media or videogame that you think nobody else here has heard of?
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There was this old game called Twistingo that my grandma had on her computer. Made by a long defunct company called eGames, it was basically like if Zuma and Bingo had a child. There were balls with numbers that’d slowly advance down a track, and you had one or more bingo cards. If the ball had a matching number on your card, you’d click on the number and the ball would vanish. If the balls reached the end, you lost. Really fun game, I still have the old disc for it.

unionagainstdhmo, in What is an obscure piece of media or videogame that you think nobody else here has heard of?
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The Wii U failed with few units sold. Star Fox Zero released for the Wii U sold much worse than any other Wii U game. But it’s really good - Motion controls are amazing plus the two player co-op where one flys and the other guns is very fun

Meltrax, in Who in your opinion is the modern day equivalent to Mozart?

Hans Zimmer? If not in pure skill then in name recognition.

HubertManne, in What is an obscure piece of media or videogame that you think nobody else here has heard of?
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the sega version of fist of the north star

LeberechtReinhold, in Who in your opinion is the modern day equivalent to Mozart?
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I love Sufjan Stevens, but I don’t see the comparison. While I really love his lyrics (one of the few I actually like them, I usually find most artist lyrics to be plain and way too cheesy), his music is very simple compared to a behemoth like Mozart.

Mozart was able to write highly complex music very fast, that went from deep themes to silly ones, and enjoyed popularity from both critics and public, which is something quite rare.

I don’t which one would be the closest today. Maybe something like Williams or Ennio Morricone.

Mr_Blott, in Who in your opinion is the modern day equivalent to Mozart?

Controversial, but Muse is up there in the great composers list.

Also Shaka Ponk, whole other story

Wodge,
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I wouldn’t say that controversial. Muse are pretty varied in their output, The Exogenesis Symphony is fantastic, and then they also have stuff like Plug In Baby, which is amazing. Matthew Bellamy is very talented.

captainlezbian,

Yeah the entirety of revolution manages to traverse several sounds and styles while maintaining a cohesive mood and feel. It and the second law were just amazing albums

Varyk, in Who in your opinion is the modern day equivalent to Mozart?

I don’t know anything about surfan Stevens, why him?

jopepa,

He has a huge discography, is a talented multi instrumentalist, and is very experimental with genre and song writing in general while still effectively connecting with a growing audience. I used to know only a handful of his songs and thought, good but meh. Out of curiosity about his broad appeal between people I wouldn’t expect much over lap from, I dove into his discography and it’s something really special.

Varyk,

Okay, very cool. Thanks, he sounds worth looking into

jopepa,

No problem, I had a lot of fun listening from his least popular album to most, just to see when it would click.

NewNewAccount,

Where did it click for you? What’s considered his most popular?

jopepa,

I think it might’ve been this one but it was a while back so I’ll keep looking and edit if I find something that looks more familiar. Greetings from Michigan got it’s antlers in me, after that I burned through the rest of the list pretty quickly and then it became a blur of shuffle for a few weeks.

DeadMartyr, in What is an obscure piece of media or videogame that you think nobody else here has heard of?

One Way Heroics (Plus)

Made by a guy in Japan. Uses a custom engine and has really intricate rpg elements, super cool and I’m a huge fan. Basically you’re constantly moving right because a black fog is consuming the world and if you aren’t fast enough then it’ll consume you too. Kind of plays like a Roguelike, but runs can have the shorter objectives, or the really long ones.

Granted it’s not perfect:

  • It was made by one guy so after a certain amount of time you kinda see most things, needs mods (which doesn’t exist) or more content.
  • You only get one stat per level-up, and if you get like “carryweight” five times in a row, then you kinda just got low-rolled and are weak-af
  • You can’t actually determine what biomes you end up in so sometimes you just get volcano 3 times in a row and it kinda sucks, it would be nice to see biomes up ahead and chart a course
  • There’s some “degen weeb” dialogue that’s funny about once and then kinda weird. (Characters simp hard af for you after your run if you get SSS rank in a category they rate you in, theres some “prefixes” that give alternate dialogue to npcs, so if you get a “Naughty” Dosey/Frida/Mila then all her dialogue is degenerate af for the rest of the run)

But I still love the game, and one of my first projects I plan on is making a hexagonal-grid version of the engine that would enable the above (gameplay) issues to be fixed, something might come out of it tbh.

morphballganon, in What is an obscure piece of media or videogame that you think nobody else here has heard of?

A board game called Off the Rails. You play as goblins in a mine, and use mine carts to collect gems. It was on kickstarter maybe 5 years ago.

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